Did they ever stop and think..."hey, maybe we're the baddies?"

Christian Parker
Christian Parker

Did they ever stop and think..."hey, maybe we're the baddies?"

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Carson Lopez
Carson Lopez

Yes. Also, they weren't.

David Kelly
David Kelly

They're Japs. To them, brainwashing someone to conform is not evil. If it is evil it's only evil because of who is doing it.

Colton Johnson
Colton Johnson

reminder that after kamoshida everybody they went after wasn't objectively bad

Wyatt Gonzalez
Wyatt Gonzalez

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Grayson Miller
Grayson Miller

Yes they were you fucking nimrod.

Tyler Davis
Tyler Davis

the literal murderer wasn't objectively bad

Luke Russell
Luke Russell

brainwashing criminals and forcing them to their wills isn't bad
Good and evil are subjective, they are no better than the people they are going after

Parker Lewis
Parker Lewis

you are illiterate if you think that's what happened

Connor Perez
Connor Perez

Good and evil are subjective
KYS retard.

Camden Lee
Camden Lee

muh free will
Did you not complete the actual game?

James Clark
James Clark

the entire fucking point of the seeing ones' shadow in these games is to get them to admit to truths that they already know

the phantom thieves aren't implanting new ideas, just beating the evil out of them. The admission of their guilt is totally of their own volition at that point.

Jaxon Cruz
Jaxon Cruz

exploiting kids for fame/money
getting people killed so you can make Japan great again
not objectively bad
The only one who you could maybe say that about was Haru's dad since Futaba doesn't really count.

Easton Morales
Easton Morales

The admission of their guilt is totally of their own volition at that point.
They literally demand that kamoshida spill the beans or else.

Isaiah Flores
Isaiah Flores

implying that Kamoshida did anything wrong

Isaiah Turner
Isaiah Turner

They do so to the embodiment of evil contained within him. His shadow. The shadow self. That's the point, it's evil.

Evil gone, the people admit to their crimes.

Angel Sanders
Angel Sanders

Yeah, when they saw everyone in the prison in Mementos Depths.

Zachary Torres
Zachary Torres

The only one who you could maybe say that about was Haru's dad

Not him but that guy ordered for mental shutdowns as well. He got people killed. He's just as bad besides what he was already doing.

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Samuel Martinez
Samuel Martinez

Yeah they did at the prison of regression ,but it was too late so nothing to do
The PT are really fucking evil for condeming them to a life of suffering without a chance of make amends
Okumura was lucky to die

Kevin Ortiz
Kevin Ortiz

When the twist is revealed. Joker was justifiably pissed when he found out whose bidding he was doing and for what purpose.

Zachary Sanchez
Zachary Sanchez

It's been said a million times, but I'm still annoyed the game just glosses over haru's dad.

Chase Brown
Chase Brown

It's okay for Yakuza to blackmail young girls and boys
It's okay for P.E teachers to rape, abuse and mistreat students and others
It's okay for company CEO's to work their employees to the brink of death or extreme exhaustion
It's okay for politicans to frame teenaged children after having nearly raped defenseless women

lmao what fucking cuckold actually defends these people?

Angel Jones
Angel Jones

Good and evil are subjective
t. first year psych major

Aiden Diaz
Aiden Diaz

in Haru's dad's defense, his employees could just leave at any time

Noah Ward
Noah Ward

Akira grows up to be a politician and honor Tora's legacy
Yu grows up to a doctor after being inspired by Sayoko
Minato and Kotone grow up to be salesman after being groomed by Tanaka

Joshua Richardson
Joshua Richardson

I'm sure they can tell their families that oxygen will pay for rent, food, water and basic living necessities.

Idiot. "then suck it up wah" Or how about having a boss who isn't a fucking taskmaster?

Michael Bell
Michael Bell

I'm sure they can tell their families that oxygen will pay for rent, food, water and basic living necessities.
yeah because there aren't any other fast food companies they could go and work, retard

Jayden Lee
Jayden Lee

Thanks for not reading the second line.

Dylan Brown
Dylan Brown

Minato and Kotone grow up to be salesman after being groomed by Tanaka
They actually don't grow up at all or never exist, respectively.

Dylan Barnes
Dylan Barnes

yes that's why they could go and work for another fast food company any time they want
Haru's dad was an ass but he's not forcing them to keep working for him

Nolan Richardson
Nolan Richardson

Killing, raping, blackmailing people and making their lives shit
H-Hey, it's subjective!

Brayden Brown
Brayden Brown

Good fucking luck getting a job at "any other place" if 1000+ people from the same company you were at quit at the same time you did.

Samuel Wilson
Samuel Wilson

They brought it up for like 30 seconds at the bottom of Mementos and then never again.

Benjamin Howard
Benjamin Howard

leave one fast food company to get a job in one of the other 1000+ fast food companies
the only possible problem is if there is a monopoly of one company

Nicholas Morris
Nicholas Morris

Goro brought it up at some point but it turned out he was also doing the same only with murder so everything he said was rendered invalid and they just forgot about it

Jackson Edwards
Jackson Edwards

Haru is disgusting, if only you knew. Her "dad" depending on which daddy we're talking about either is the devil's advocate, or a vindictive cunt.

they aren't baddies
You made them baddies by playing the game, you mong. They are, bar none, absolutely retarded. They are no better than Charles Manson's cultists, and the one giving orders are no better than Manson himself.
And all those fuckers went to jail.
All missions are done out of spite, thinking they're serving some self-proclaimed greater good.
Fuuka would fucking laugh at them all.

This entire game is fucking terrible because you literally play as shadows. All you do is undo everything all the other games tried to prevent.

Hunter Powell
Hunter Powell

More like
It's okay for company CEO's to hire assassins and kill out their competitors

Liam Ortiz
Liam Ortiz

Murder by inaction/exploiting children
Being a fat jew
Being a NEET
Overworking employees until they get ill
Being an ace attorney character
Having people murdered to further your career, using your own son as an assassin. Also, being bald.
All naughty people.

David Mitchell
David Mitchell

You don't understand the Persona series, or human psychology, at all.

Charles Anderson
Charles Anderson

Enjoy your nuke then.

Chase Hill
Chase Hill

Yes. They worried whether it was right to go after Okumura until they met Haru and then later felt going after him was them losing sight of their goal and letting the fame go to their heads Which is retarded, given the circumstances of what it took for them to do it, and the fact that he WAS a shitty guy ruining people's lives. He needed a change of heart.

Luis Fisher
Luis Fisher

Which was getting awful close with all those mental breakdowns he was asking Shido for.

Nolan King
Nolan King

That dude wasn't yakuza. He was a small time gangster. The term mafia is used even in the original japanese.

Christian Young
Christian Young

The scene where they all feel guilty and say they let the fame get to their heads pisses me off, for this reason. Fucker deserved it, not to mention they only went after him afer meeting Haru.

Carson Howard
Carson Howard

Who /boughtRyujiMakotoOrYusukethemesonPS4justtohearthemusic/ here?

Liam Wright
Liam Wright

The PT are really fucking evil for condeming them to a life of suffering without a chance of make amends
Wasn't everyone released once the final boss was beaten? My understanding is that Mementos ceased to exist after that.

Jeremiah Wright
Jeremiah Wright

I bought the velvet room one.

Colton Watson
Colton Watson

The more important point is that mementos is a cognitive realm. They're in a prison because they choose to be there.

William Young
William Young

So after Mementos gone, they return to their old self?

Aiden Ross
Aiden Ross

Sure, but the prison was eliminated as I understand it. Before the final boss, seemingly everybody in Japan was also in the Mementos prisons and that was why they didn't care about Shido's crimes and still wanted him to be prime minister.

Afterwards, people didn't want Shido to be the PM anymore so it seems to suggest they are no longer prisoners.

Josiah Kelly
Josiah Kelly

I bought the Ryuji one just because I love this track youtube.com/watch?v=OW1ps75BRSM

But then I ended up buying Yusuke for the avatar, and then the other day Makotos' for the music and because Makoto is my Persona5fu.

Landon Stewart
Landon Stewart

Yes
Not for long, though.

Carter Harris
Carter Harris

Why is it only westcucks that bring up this nonexistent ethical problem?
Forcing a criminal to confess his crimes is not controversial, no matter how you put it.

Thomas Lopez
Thomas Lopez

Yeah but it was pointless because they made sure that every person that had their heart stolen was more or less objectively "bad" so that any kind of moral ambiguity can be ignored. Can't have self-insert fags feel anything other than a waifu fantasy

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Gavin Davis
Gavin Davis

It is bad, except they did it in a way that makes it not bad.

Thomas Parker
Thomas Parker

muh poor misunderstood criminals
Kill yourself libcuck.

Nicholas Torres
Nicholas Torres

I bought a handful of them but I only ever use Joker's theme. Beneath the Mask just doesn't gets old.

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Adam Barnes
Adam Barnes

literally everything between kamoshida's dungeon and shido's dungeon is filler in regards to the narrative

Thomas Anderson
Thomas Anderson

the joker theme came with the version of the game i got and i've been using that on my ps4 since it came out. even after hearing beneath the mask for 90 hours in the game and tons of hours after that from the theme i'm still not sick of it.

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Joshua Baker
Joshua Baker

Woah...so, you're saying Persona 5 was just like Persona 3 and Persona 4?
Your powers of induction astound me.

Ethan Morales
Ethan Morales

Only from the players perspective, because we know there IS a narrative. As far as the Thieves are concerned their only two concerns are punishing the guilty and looking into the Black Mask character -the second of which they have no means to do. They don't have an inkling of the Conspiracies existence until after Okumura. The middle of the game is character based, not plot based.

Grayson Sullivan
Grayson Sullivan

Not necessarily. In terms of the plot you could vie it that way, but it was much more character-driven and thematically-driven than it was plot-driven and everything between Kamoshida and Shido was important for the characters and theme.

Colton Foster
Colton Foster

They literally did, confirmed for not actually playing the game.

Blake Smith
Blake Smith

youtube.com/watch?v=upZjUIG3gqI
that hoshi to bokura to remix
i don't give a shit about the dancing games but i can't wait for the soundtracks

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Levi Foster
Levi Foster

It's more like Sup Forums wants to find reasons to complain about a game that's been critically acclaimed and well-received everywhere else. Sup Forums is contrarian to the core but still hates being called out on it.

Nicholas Brooks
Nicholas Brooks

Pretty much at the end of the game you're revealed to be Yablahblahblah's pawn. Hell you can join him and impose your will on everyone if you want.

Justin Thompson
Justin Thompson

It's a fucking jrpg for manchildren where they can't make the player feel bad for anything they do but at the same time tries to be edgy. Seriously I have no idea how many times the game brought up something questionable that they did only to handwave it or pre emptively set it up so that you don't have to feel bad about what you're doing.
it's ok only bad people have palaces, everyone you go up against is most definitely bad and you don't have to worry about what you're doing
but you're completely absolved of all that because once you get a persona you're completely infallible
doing questionable things? Breaking the law? It's alright they're all horrible people and deserve it, you can do no wrong
For a game that's supposed to be about rebelling it sure lacks any balls whatsoever.

Kayden Carter
Kayden Carter

Reminder that society deems what is 'Evil' and what is 'Good'. The only crime the villians in the game commited was falling outside of what is socially acceptable behavior and were therefore punished by children who don't understand how the world works.

Julian Edwards
Julian Edwards

Well, pretty sure mementos , as in Collective Uncon. got recreated inmediately
Maybe, maybe not
Assuming they got everything off shido means he was like that after 24/12 which means he was still damaged after yabadabadoo is dead, so I wouldnt say they got liberated
Then again, this is only based on shido

Kevin Howard
Kevin Howard

physically/sexually abusing children is good
extorting people out of money is good
abusing workers is good
having a teenager murder people for you is good

whatever you say bub

Bentley Martinez
Bentley Martinez

summon a fucking devil to kill the abrahamic god
"OF COURSE! IF GOD THINK HE ALL BAD AND SHIT, SATAN WILL COME OUT AND KILL HIM TO PUT HIM IN HIS PLACE!"
Literally God is evil and Devil is the good guy

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Colton Foster
Colton Foster

it's ok only bad people have palaces, everyone you go up against is most definitely bad and you don't have to worry about what you're doing

Futaba had a Palace, and she's not considered bad.

Lucas Russell
Lucas Russell

Not doing even a single google search before you shitpost

The Demiurge smiles at your ignorance

Brody Murphy
Brody Murphy

It doesn't matter if its good or bad, the fact is what they were doing is illegal.
Would Joker still brainwash people if they had committed no crime?

Dylan Baker
Dylan Baker

Yaldabaoth is the abrahamic god

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Bentley Evans
Bentley Evans

ignoring what happen in the last part of the fight

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Luis Green
Luis Green

He wouldn't be able to unless they had a Shadow, and if they have a shadow then they have an issue that they're better off fixing anyway. You get multiple people in Mementos who haven't committed a crime but they still have a Shadow and you deal with them, and then there's Futaba too.

Eli Long
Eli Long

She's the only one where they had to explicitly state over and over
omg she's so sad she needs help now
she's definitely not a bad guy okay
look at her sad and troubled past
Everyone who butted heads with the PT in any way whatsoever turned out to be cartoonishly bad, with the some of the worst parts being the fact that they had to make shido bump into you at the elevator for no other reason than to show you how much of an evil dude he is and how he miraculously happens to be the same guy that got the protag into trouble in the beginning, like them going after him was written as some edgy teen's revenge fantasy for how he was such a good boy who dindu nuffin and the evil politician be keeping him down.

Joseph Ortiz
Joseph Ortiz

The only person you can maybe make this argument with is Haru's dad. By comparison to everyone else he's just a typical douchebag Japanese CEO.

Levi Peterson
Levi Peterson

Futaba had a palace
Joker broke the law, fucked up probation and paid up
Everything inside the metaverse doesn't abide by any rules
You're the only edgy manchild here for thinking that everything has to be oh so mature and dark and cool

Anthony Edwards
Anthony Edwards

Sounds like something to come out a Disgaea game.

Gavin Rogers
Gavin Rogers

is the trap evil or no?

Matthew Long
Matthew Long

There is no trap.

Cameron Gray
Cameron Gray

It's not a surprise that they're villains. They're self-righteous vigilantes that believe that their justice is what the rest of society's justice should be. They're children throwing a temper tantrum.

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Ryan King
Ryan King

Pot calling the kettle black

Cooper Morales
Cooper Morales

I'm pretty sure the game itself was trying to be mature and dark when it had sexual harassment and murder in it, except when it came to resolving problems it took the typical jrpg route of good kid win by killing bad dude (oh sorry we mean killing evil demons residing inside bad dude, our good kids will never kill anyone because that will make them bad, so we crafted this convoluted solution where they can take the violent idiot's solution of fighting through everything but still be able to solve all sorts of real world problems without actually having to sacrifice anything.)

Colton Gutierrez
Colton Gutierrez

what about her dad? fucking explain yourself. nothing they did was objectively evil and in no way warrants comparison with a cunt like manson.

Jaxon Price
Jaxon Price

this entire thread is just the phantom aficionado website

Aaron Cox
Aaron Cox

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Asher Davis
Asher Davis

It literally is kek

Samuel Hughes
Samuel Hughes

Why do you need to be lectured on basic human morality?

Asher Perry
Asher Perry

character makes a good point
of course he turns out to be a wacko villain with daddy issues

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