What does /v think about dune

So what does /v think of Dune books?
Did you read them? Do you like them or not?


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Working on Heretics of Dune right now. Want to finish all the Frank Herbert ones but it's getting tough to keep going, the first 2 are the really good ones.
I think it would make a really cool setting for an RPG, lots of factions set up and as a setting it's pretty unique. Don't know how interesting a desert planet would be to explore though.

My favorite sci-fi series.

the first dune book is very good. they get progressively worse and everything after god emperor is "stephen king without an editor" tier
all of the ghost written books that involve his son are burn for fuel tier
the dune 2 game was fun, although they had no respect for the canon

read them, love them, would love to see a good movie (or movies) made of them but more or less resigned to that never happening.

dune vidya is kinda fun, but honestly im just waiting for the technology to upload my conciousness into the dune universe so i can live in my private desert as god emperor of the universe

I've read the first three.
Watched the movie and the mini series.
Started with one of the spinoffs.

Currently listening to an audio version of the first book.
The baron sounds so fucking dignified.

I trust Villenueve to make at least a decent one.

I'm also on Heretics... it's been a really crazy ride, and I agree that it would make a killer rpg. I thought God Emperor was pretty neat tho.

Really?

For me the best two books were the first one and the god emperor.

The order for me from best to worst is 1,4,3,2.
The second one was the most meh for me.

I agree about dune2 or every other dune game having no respect for the canon. And the same can be said for the Lynch movie

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first dune game was really cool too

I need to get around to reading Chapterhouse. I stopped at Heretics since I thought it was meant to be the last of the original stuff, only to make it to end and find out there's more. God I hope Chapterhouse ends on a satisfying note. I heard the stuff by Frank Herbert's son was shit.

hes a great director, but i just kinda think that the books dont translate to film all that well, but we will see.

the lynch films are ok, but they skip most of the book after the initial few chapters

>God I hope Chapterhouse ends on a satisfying note.
Ahahahaha.

>the books dont translate to film all that well, but we will see
They absolutely don't. IMO the point of a movie would be not a 1:1 transition of the book, but something capturing the visuals and the atmosphere of the story, preferably having the same themes. Lynch's movie mangled the themes in the end, but it had great visuals, so even it isn't without merit.

films? Didn't lynch made only one dune movie?

Also that movie practicaly does not have anything in common with the books.

only non frank book ive read was paul of dune (got it as a present) and it didnt seem too awful, but i cant speak to the other books they have written

hes probably including the mini series too

I think a lot of people misunderstand the last two books and call them too weird when that was the narrative point they were making considering the Scattering was such a huge deal. As far as ending goes... well, yeah. Herbert hints at the real ending but he never got around to it.

>IMO the point of a movie would be not a 1:1 transition of the book, but something capturing the visuals and the atmosphere of the story, preferably having the same themes

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god no, jodo would have gone even further off source and made some fucking LSD trip of a movie instead.

an interesting movie to watch maybe, but not a faithful adaptation

>I agree about dune2 or every other dune game having no respect for the canon.

It's more of a problem due to the fact that story IS absolutely central to Dune so if you want to be faithful direct adaptation is the only way. "What if?" scenarios strategy games adopted works just fine, though.

>dat feel when you realize a licensed game is grandfather of the RTS genre

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They're amazing, I love those books. Definitely kino. Who knew Sci Fi Islam could be so meaningful?

I didn't mind the direction later books went. I'm just really afraid of getting blueballed as fuck. Like I get there was meant to be more books and all that, but as long as Chapterhouse at least wraps up the immediate story, I'm fine with the overarching stuff being left up in the air.

>Chapterhouse at least wraps up the immediate story
It finishes the Honored Matres arc.

>all of the ghost written books that involve his son are burn for fuel tier

Anyone, and I mean anyone, who complaints about Tolkien's son being an asshole about what can be done with the property should be directed to Herbert's son. When reviews tell you to stop tarnishing your father's legacy at one point you should probably considering stopping. He even released the Great Schools of Dune trilogy that even further demystifies the setting.

I read about halfway through Chapterhouse and you're right that the last two books are going for this really fresh new universal religion type of thing. After God Emperor the literal nature of God changed in the universe and so the next two books intentionally feel like some Street Fighter III type neo canon. Herbert does a fantastic job of doing this and nothing feels quite like them, but they are very different from the old books and don't necessarily re-establish themselves as well as the old setting.

I think the final threat was purposefully left up in the air very much like how Butlerian Jihad, as originally envisioned, was never really spelled out outright what it was about.

I miss Westwood so much.

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>The order for me from best to worst is 1,4,3,2.
pretty much this

I read most of the non-Frank books to pass time while commuting to school. They're decent for what is essentially fanfiction, but obviously they pale in comparison to the originals. I remember the shift in writing style was very jarring.

It boggles my mind how much Brian Herbert missed the essence of Dune.

What is Dune even about?

>Sup Forums discusses Dune

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Space crack and Jihad

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It's about a boy who becomes the prophet Mohammad in the grim darkness of the often dignified and cultured far future.

Lesbians who smell like fish.

Just finished the first Dune a few days ago, fucking loved it, gonna read some other classic sci fi before getting back to Messiah tho

The middle east in space basically. The first book is worth reading, don't know about the others but I've heard the ones written by Herbert's son aren't that great. The Westwood games are really fun though.

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You may as well read Messiah now. Its short and acts as a bookend to Dune, more than anything.

>dat feel when you realize a licensed game is grandfather of the RTS genre

damn, never though of that..
mind blown

men, worms, men who are worms, space drugs, bloodlines, jihad, and duncan idaho, always duncan idaho

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>I read most of the non-Frank books to pass time while commuting to school. They're decent for what is essentially fanfiction, but obviously they pale in comparison to the originals. I remember the shift in writing style was very jarring.

I still think BH and his boyfriend should be burned at stake for tarnishing the Dune franchise.
Fanfiction is too good of a term for what they have wrote....
And all prequel book worldwide should be destroyed...

Gave me a good giggle

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i do these threads once every few years. And I'm always positively surprised.

Sup Forums can actually discuss books like civilized people. In fact Sup Forums can discuss many things civily. Most thing except video games actually...

I'm pretty sure it's because nobody who hasn't read Dune would ever bother to set foot in this thread. And it's a masterwork so anyone who's read it loves it.

yes, now take your opinion to /lit/ and watch how you get roasted for daring to lower yourself to reading genre fiction

Probably lol. Yeah every board is obsessed with looking cool regarding their subject matter.

this is why I post these threads in Sup Forums

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No idea, I watched the film and I was very confused.

I read up to the start of heretics of Dune, God Emperor was my favourite

Alright, so imagine a big fuck-off wide interstellar empire, except it's organized like a feudal society. There's an imperial house with super-soldiers that makes everyone shit their pants versus a coalition of the Big Houses dichotomy, a monolithic cult of witches/nuns that scares everybody, and on top of that a spacing guild with a monopoly on space travel squeezing everyone dry because they're a monopoly.

Now consider a duke & family -the Atreides, aka the main POVs for the first book- being in kanly (blood feud/vendetta) with another Big House, the Harkonnens. Through machinations of some kind, the Atreides get handed Arrakiis, which used to be a Harkonen world, but they also have to take off their origin world. That's the start.

Now the thing is, everybody has agents everywhere all the time, and poison is so prevalent they have poison testers everywhere, so it's not going to go well. The first characters introduced are the duke, his son, his concubine, his spymaster and lieutenants. On top of that, Arrakiis is the only place where the Spice is found. And the spice is a big deal: it's super valuable. But, Arrakiis is also a desert world so bad water is power, wealth and money all in one here. On top of that, it's home to the Fremen, who are so badass they collectively make everyone who learn their feats shit theirs pants. And every desert on Arrakiis is infested with sandworms bigger than spaceships. They investigate and eat everything that makes noise, which include the equipment that's needed to extract spice because of course spice is only found in the desert. Oh, and there are storms spanning dozens of kilometers that will eat through metal, rock, flesh and bones if they catch you going through the desert.

That's the first book. It's a great book. It actually makes the courtly machinations decently interesting because Herbert, despite being batshit crazy, was also smart enough to make it look believable. Now go read it.

I read the first four of them. Interesting setting, awful prose. Very overrated. I actually liked Children the best, the plot moves quickly and there is not a lot of meandering trippy pesudo-philosophical ramblings.

The Lynch film was a fucking fever dream.

The film was pretty straightforward.

If you watched the David Lynch movie, that movie has little to do story in books.
If I remember correctly only the start of movie has anything in common with the books, right until the betrayal where Leto and Jessica flee. But that's about it.

If you want to know I really suggest you read the books, it's really good one.

But in short as others have said, it's about politics, space drugs, giant worms, an army of lesbians and eternal life through cloning.

I've visited /lit/ several times, saw a pretty decent Dune thread there. Doesn't /lit/ like Book of the New Sun as well? Genre fiction doesn't necessarily mean "bottom of the barrel".

>I actually liked Children the best, the plot moves quickly and there is not a lot of meandering trippy pesudo-philosophical ramblings.
For the sake of the civility of the thread I'm going to have you to explain yourself.

Mountain Blade mod set in the Dune universe when?

>awful prose
That's, like, your opinion, man.

>an army of lesbians
Infinite duncan idahos have proved that at least somewhat wrong.

I liked God Emperor too, I just don't think the narrative was as interesting. Hearing the perspective of a god-being was cool, but after a while I was sort of tired of reading his endless dialogue. I honestly can't remember anything but the ending of Children though.

Messiah is good. The writing itself is meh, but the underlying tone is solid. Be careful what you wish for, since you may actually get it, and conquerors often make shit rulers are solid themes.

rembmer what happened to that one that fell in love with him....

Some of the most stand-out parts of Dune to me were the characters thoughts and the psychedelic descriptions of time. Both of those I think would be very hard to make not corny in a movie.

That's pretty much how it goes discussing off topic on every board. Sup Forums has some really great LotR lore threads.

I don't remember, what happened?

Did you like Dune adventure game?

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it's still hilarious that half the plot of children can be summed up "the entire galaxy wants to force 10y old twins to make incest babies"

She ded.

Messiah is pretty depressing, but it's a necessary sequel. Many people miss that a big point of Dune that Paul is aware of the coming Jihad and intends to prevent it - and he fails, big time.

IMO. Children retains the better aspects of the first book - the political intrigue, the action and the weirdness of the setting. without going overboard like God Emperor and Messiah. The plot is tight, the characters are interesting enough (and there's not too many of them) and the world is nicely developed further. Loved it when Leto II meets Paul, good stuff.

Conceptually Messiah is my favorite but it is truly an awfully written book. Dune suffers from weak prose and pacing issues and God Emperor has an extremely unlikable main character (forgot her name).

If you're wondering what I meant by trippy pesudo-philosophical ramblings, it's the sequences where characters trip on space crack. Some of them are fine, but many feel like the author just wrote down some stream of consciousness just for the sake of being weird.

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>without going overboard like God Emperor and Messiah
A big point of those is that thousands of years passed. It's a good thing they don't feel like more of the same.

The joke's on the Galaxy then, Leto II is a cuck.

In the case of God Emperor, the ''weirdness'' I was referring to would be his endless diatribes on, well, everything.

>You will never make a lesbian warrior who's stronger than you cum just from climbing a cliff through sheer individual strength and willpower

Well Leto is an interesting character. And he does like to run his mouth.

In this case, less is more. If Leto had spoken less, his words would have more weight.

Played Dune 2 as a child, it was my first encounter with the universe. The intro and the overal aesthetics had a huge impact on me as a kid. I did not like the gameplay too much, but god everything in regards of the atmosphere and art direction left a permanent mark on me.
As a kid when I drew sci-fi themed pictures, it was something from Dune 2, and if I dreamt of exploring alien planets, it was usually massive desert planets being fought for by multiple different space-feudal families.

I've read I think three or four of the books. The first one is amazing. Much like the game, it left TREMENDEOUS impact on me. In fact, I think it's this book (my first experience with space opera outside of SW and Dune 2) made me much more critical of other works of the genre.
The second book was so-so.
Everything else was too crap for me to even finish.

Seen the Lynch movie. I like Lynch, but that movie was just shit: shit adaptation, shit on its own, everything except for the environments and art direction was garbage.

Seen some other movie adaptation, and it was functional but boring as fuck.

Played that 3D Dune RTS but never really liked it. It had absolutely no atmosphere.

The closest that gaming ever got to a really great Dune Adaptation was unironically NOT any of the dune games, but rather pic related.
Shame Cataclysm was meh and rest of the sequels were garbage... but then again I guess it stays true to Dune in more than just the good ways.

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He was approaching a death he had been waiting a long time for, he was probably just so talkative due to a combination of excitement and lonelyness.

I thought it was the scribe's daughter who was Duncan's love interest.

read the first one as a kid because i really liked dune 2. thought it was boring, but that's probably because i was like 13.

Have you tried again?

I read the first four books during my teenage years and I loved them all. HAving recently re-read them I realize that each book is different and that's probably why some people only like one or two of them.
Dune is a subversion of the Hero's Journey as well as the introduction into the Dune Universe.
Messiah finishes the biblical themes the first book set up and also introduces some of the elements which tie into all of humanity.
Children of Dune is more a political thriller with the Dune style.
God-Emperor of Dune is about the massive impacts on humanity and the absolute power and sheer knowledge Leto II has.

>Sup Forums
>no mention of Behind the Dune

It was amusing at the very least.

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For the Duke!

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I just want to say: fuck Duncan idaho, he made me hate this series

any reason why?

I stopped after finishing God Emperor. Glad I did desu

Oh it gets even worse. Wanna know how?

Herbert's son makes him out to be the actual Kwisatz Haderach and ultimate messiah.

lol the fuck?

Yeah. Turns out Paul and Leto II were just placeholders for the real KH. Brian Herbert's a fucking hack.

It'll be winemom tier like every he's done other than Prisoners.

Oh and I completely forgot, they resurrect literally everyone back as a ghola. And I mean everyone. Lady Jessica, Paul, Leto II, the list goes on.

haha that's incredible, how could anyone think that's a good idea?

Ive read all the books but the later ones didnt really do it for me

>Dune
>great classic story of a rise of a messiah that leads an all engulfing war as seen many times in history
>prophet of dune
>Shows how other cultures try to imitate the dominant culture while the top rots away as the new leaders lost connection with their roots
>children of dune
>children being fags
>emperor of dune
>300 or so pages of herbert slapping his politico-philosphical dick in your face
>dune 5 (forgot title)
>return to the earlier story style, actually works pretty well showing how a new more powerful foreign horde quickly destroys the remains of the old empire
>chapterhouse
>direct extension of 5, now with 100% more idaho husbandofaggotry

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Duncan was used for every plot, story for every book and in the end he has the true messiah. I think i dropped 5th book when thousends years after LetoII the first thing they do in book is to clon him again

Stand worm leto ghola?

No, IIRC, it's a kid Leto II.

>fuck Duncan idaho
you and every female in the galaxy

>dune possiblities for smut
>scene of the kid fighting a fencing robot while nude
>twincest that have a mental link
>dunkan idaho that impregnates every woman through time and space
>gholas for selfcest
>mindbreaking a beautiful princess of a lost great house
>cultivating a harem in a sietch
>coordinating breeding as revered mother, forcing young women to fuck balding fat old nobles
>space tech harkonnen rape torture sex
>sardaukar sengoku rance
>honored materess sexual addiction
But no, its just poorly drawn porn

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The newest update seemed to have disabled a lot of features from earlier iterations.

>filename made by a bitch witch

Those two contrasted well.

that shit all makes sense until you get to the underground fish interlocking to hold water at the planets core