Escape the systemd cancer. Try distros like Devuan, all you need from debian without the cuckery. devuan.org/
Remember that Devuan repositories are currently loaded with requests. WE MORE NEED MIRRORS!
Don't listen to BSD cucks and poettering trolls.
Why we don't want systemD: "systemd is what appears to be intentionally attempting to fragment the FOSS community by inserting bloated high velocity corporate code that by design makes itself as intrusive in terms of dependencies as possible. This is a very bad precedent for FOSS and should be addressed with concern".
user The Wise.
Plus it creates software dependency at an alarming rate, it has a massive attack surface connected to the network with su-like functionality, and more.
Now that we are divided, we can surely defeat Microsoft!
Xavier Johnson
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Daniel Taylor
>it has a massive attack surface connected to the network It's funny though,most of the recently discovered vulnerablities in Linux stem back to the pre-systemd era.You know,when everybody supposedly didn't have their heads up their asses?
Jason Morris
systemd = svchost.exe
Jordan Thompson
Microsoft can't even make a decent OS,let alone a workable plan for world domination.
Jonathan Lopez
Don't listen to telemarketers.
Microsoft already tried to cuck GNU/Linux. Search for "Halloween documents" and "embrace, extend, extinguish".
Also >inb4 BSD shills
Jeremiah Campbell
ITT: bunch of NEETs who don't want to learn systemd
Adrian Bennett
How good systemd integrates with PAM?
Oh, wait.
Jacob Watson
>Now that we are divided, we can surely defeat Microsoft! >Hey guize, let's fight Microsoft by using software developed by this shitlord who admires Microsoft who is paid by a big company like Microsoft!
Hudson Ortiz
>ITT: bunch of NEETs who don't want to learn systemd >systemctl wtv
WHOA REALLY HARD HUH
Jonathan Perry
half the links given cite bad attitude and immaturity of systemd as reasons to not use it. >code made by people with bad attitudes shouldn't be used >using linux >linus torvalds
Andrew Morgan
POETTERING WILL MAKE COMPUTING GREAT AGAIN
Joseph Jenkins
>systemd is what appears to be intentionally attempting to fragment the FOSS community
because having to know 4 init systems for 4 distros was such a unifying feeling
Lincoln Richardson
Shills have landed.
Isaac Cooper
(OP) >systemd is what appears to be intentionally attempting to fragment the FOSS community I think it's the opposite. The FOSS community is fragmenting the Linux ecosystem >I dont like X library so I'm creating Y. >Y sucks, Z is better! >I don't like this API version, let's throw it into the trash because this new version is better, f*ck backwards compatibility.
That's why Linux will never be considered for porting existing software to it(CAD, office, DTP, media creation, etc)
Christopher Perry
>>code made by people with bad attitudes shouldn't be used >>using linux >>linus torvalds
Theres Linus bad attitude, then there's being a complete dick which won't even debug shit or check portability and expect others to do their work
typical systemd shill logic
Luke Harris
>cuckery At least Poettering isn't so much of a sperglord that he would stoop to using this annoying meme.
Ayden Powell
>because having to know 4 init systems for 4 distros was such a unifying feeling >We need an init to unite them all! >later... >Damn, now we have 5 inits and further fragmentation
Andrew Long
Why do I want to deal with udev and all that shit?
Bentley Lee
>Please use our shitty OS guys please please please
Cameron Campbell
omg systemd so fast
haters gonna hate
Eli Thompson
>jerking_off_to_my_laptop.webm
Ayden Smith
Except most distros are adopting systemd and the other init systems are only receiving bug/security fixes.
Xavier Long
>HDD
Dylan Campbell
>cuck >cuck >cuuuuuckkkk!
Yeah, nah. I don't care how good whatever you're shilling is, I'm never even going to look at it until the stupid little kid memewords stop.
Brandon Brown
fuck systemd and faster startups. enjoy your botnet and zero control when they hijack your desktop.
lubuntu 14.04 mudafucka
Eli Ramirez
I don't use systemd.
Lincoln Roberts
>Except most distros are adopting systemd Perhaps only now that Ubuntu and Debian changed to systemd, whicn was very controversial and cost them supporters >the other init systems are only receiving bug/security fixes. [citation needed]
Jack Gray
How good Devuan found a good Sup Forums shill I was not handling it, though I was doing it for free
Christian Campbell
I don't care about Free Libre Gratis Open Source Software(TM) principles, but from what I see systemd seems pretty bloated.
Liam Murphy
>I don't care about Free Libre Gratis Open Source Software(TM) principles,
Eh? That's not the issue here systemd is FOSS the problem is the dependency bloat the way it turns everything it touches into a dependency, which will break the whole system if you remove it
tl;dr do one thing and do it well
Charles Rodriguez
What systemd is, is irrelevant. The problem starts when something better than systemd appears in the future, and nobody can implemented because this piece of trash at that moment will be too integrated and forced. And this is the issue.
Joseph Hughes
If you need to shill your operating system on a site like Sup Forums then I'm pretty sure it's a bad OS.
Also,
>beta
Landon Powell
After systemd gets completely adopted by all big and medium sized distros, the other init systems will probably enter in a maintenance state or they will adapt to be compatible.
The next step would be standardizing the GUI toolkits, maybe Qt will be the winner.
Nolan Perez
>shitlord >>>/tumblr/
Nicholas Moore
>install devuan >attempt to install samba >cannot install due to repo fuckup >check mailinglist >upstream gets blamed, nothing fucking changes >issue still persists right now
I want to like devuan, but seriously, get your fucking heads out of your arses and fix those stupid issues.
Xavier Miller
>Devuan No thanks, I will stick with a refined, sophisticated and mature distro for gentlemen like myself I am a proud fedora user
Nathan Peterson
>Devuan >devuan >Devuan
Trying hard to stop Devuan amirite
Josiah Morales
Fuck Linux, just go over to FreeBSD.
Even if you escape systemd on Linux their constant shitty changes in the kernel will fuck you eventually.
Daily reminder that the source to FreeBSD's kernel, userland, and compiler is smaller than the Linux kernel source.
John Richardson
Devuan Veteran Unix Admins are too busy conducting a pointless witch hunt against libsystemd.
>standardizing why a need for this shit on the first place open source is freedom of choice not Red Hat monopilizing open source software to lockdown users just like proprietary ms or apple do
Daniel Sullivan
This. Also taking away the freedom of choice is not standardizing, is locking away the userbase.
Jayden Flores
those simple operation don't really represent the problem with systemd any other init can do those things, eg. openrc rc-update add ufw rc-update add NetworkManager rc-service sshd restart rc-update add sddm rc-update del bluetooth pm-hibernate (using pm-utils)
Jace Gonzalez
>open source is freedom of choice
No, it's not.
Even if it was, why do you think your desire to choose trumps developers desire to utilize features of systemd in their software?
Robert Myers
If you're expecting a logical reason to get rid of systemd don't bother. I hung around the same thread asking the same question and all I got was broken English replies suggesting I was a NSA shill. I fucking wish I worked for the NSA. My porn collection would be huge.
What's interesting is that they complain about systemd replacing shit when they didn't. You can still make cron jobs. You can still make init scripts. You can still use fstab. You can still view uevents.
Colton Thompson
Open source is not entirely about freedom of choice, but it's a part of it. What spawned Linux in the first place was Linus wanting an alternative to Windows at the time.
Thomas Mitchell
>Not taking the name shitlord as a badge of honor in 2016.
Camden Thompson
Well, wayland depends on systemd. Why does it need systemd in specefic?
Angel Price
You're nearly as persistent as that faggot Void shill we had here about a week ago.
Lucas Thompson
So are you, you systemd propagandist.
Nathan Bennett
>wayland depends on systemd
no it doesn't.
Adam Brooks
>Why does it need systemd in specefic Probably because wayland devs liked some of systemd's features and decided to use them. Well the kernel depends on C. Why does it need C in specefic[sic]?
Jaxon Morgan
kernel is a binary file
Caleb Reed
Void?
Jayden Campbell
>but it's a part of it.
Just like choice is a part of eating food or taking a shit. It's not relevant to the actual point at all.
And let me tell you the big difference between people who whinge about systemd and people like Linus Torvalds. Linus Torvalds wrote code to solve the problems he saw, he didn't sit in a corner and cry about other people not doing what he liked.
Adrian Gonzalez
Every file on my hard drive is binary.
Jayden Young
That's why the language of the source does not matter
Adrian Garcia
>Just like choice is a part of eating food or taking a shit
What an awkward analogy which makes little sense.
>It's not relevant to the actual point at all.
It is.
>Linus Torvalds wrote code to solve the problems he saw
Exactly, that's the Linux philosophy. Completely open source, completely customisable to your needs and do it yourself.
John Miller
>What an awkward analogy which makes little sense.
It makes complete sense.
>completely customisable to your needs and do it yourself.
Good, you get it. So when developers exercise their freedom to do things themselves and start depending on useful features of systemd, shut the fuck up and do the work yourself to maintain your own system the way you want instead of whinging and expecting other people to do it for you.
Dominic Gutierrez
If you HaveNothingToHide®, PAM is garbage. Install SElinux.
Logan Cooper
Or maybe, just maybe, developers could actually provide an alternative to systemd. Holy fuck, poettering at least make it less obvious when you shill for your own work/
Gabriel Davis
>developers could actually provide an alternative to systemd
Who? Alternatives in what? Are you going to pay them to do this work? Why don't you do it yourself if that's what you want?
Free software developers don't owe entitled little shits like you anything, let alone their time and work.
Nolan Gonzalez
Thank good the open source doesn't think like you. Most operating systems provide a choice to run with systemd or alternatives. Gentoo runs on openrc for once. I know you're from reddit, but you don't have to look like a complete edgelord in every single post you make. I can smell your pretentiousness all the way from here.
Juan Hughes
Void Linux. Systemd free, interesting package management, good performance. If you want a somewhat more paranoid version, or super lightweight, try Alpine. Arch-like install process (but there's actually a good reason for that)
William Allen
>Most operating systems provide a choice to run with systemd or alternatives.
Actually, most distributions do not. Only Debian and Gentoo do, out of the distributions that are in any way relevant.
Do you know why and how these choices are offered? Because somebody is doing the work to make it so. These options don't just fall from the sky and into your lap, they require development time, testing, support, code, manpower. That's how free software works.
You're not entitled to choices just because you asked for them.
>The Linux philosophy is 'Laugh in the face of danger'. Oops. Wrong One. 'Do it yourself'. -- Linus Torvalds
Caleb Anderson
Daily reminder that if you're "forced" to use systemd it's because of wide developer adoption and not your shitty conspiracy theories.
Blake Martinez
I would mirror you, but you're an unprofessional retard.
Grayson Clark
>Arch-like install process (but there's actually a good reason for that) No. Alpine has an installer. it's really simple and quick too.Alpine reminds me of the BSDs, which is funny since it's arguably a "pure" Linux distro (no GNU)
Cameron Wood
Holy fuck you're obnoxious, it has to be you poettering shilling sytemd.
>They don't owe you anything
Good! Why is your software pre installed on every fucking distro then? Since I'm 'not entitled' to your oh so great software, how about you remove it? People like you are what're killing the open source community.
Henry Flores
I mean there's no pretty graphical walk-through. You do everything by command line, and manually partition bare disks.
Angel Torres
>Why is your software pre installed on every fucking distro then?
Because distribution developers are almost unanumously *made the choice* that systemd is the best *choice*. You love choice so much, maybe you should respect theirs.
>Since I'm 'not entitled' to your oh so great software, how about you remove it?
You're not entitled to it, you just chose to use a distribution that chose to use it. Choice, choice, choice.
Lincoln Gonzalez
>No. Alpine has an installer. Is it graphical? I thought it had no installer and had a gentoo approach like Crux
Christopher Bell
see It's text-based.
Eli Adams
>Alpine Nothing works on that piece of shit
Sebastian Thomas
Stop? I was being serious I even have it installed on my laptop faggot
Adam Bell
it asks a few questions and by default it partitions automatically
Kayden Rogers
What about Crux?
Asher Thompson
On my msata ssd it wouldn't progress unless I manually partitioned. What about it?
Dominic Rodriguez
>Arch-like install process (but there's actually a good reason for that) there is never a good reason for that, except to be an edgy cool kid
Jaxson Myers
what the fuck else would you want from a fucking init system it's not a fucking swiss army knife, it's just supposed to boot your system
Adam Smith
It's meant to be flashed to a USB drive and run from there. Alpine's main focus is on servers and routers.
Carson Gomez
>BSD >cucks pick one At least they aren't cucked from their freedoms by the GPL.
