AMD showed a pic of the Summit Ridge die during their shareholder meeting

AMD showed a pic of the Summit Ridge die during their shareholder meeting.

Its a long rectangular die with two clusters of cores.

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This faggot better cooked up a miracle here. Intel dominating the market is getting irritating.

>Getting excited for sandy bridge performance in 2016

So how do the individual clusters communicate and execute tasks?

Uncore, the same way everything on die communicates. Everything is always connected by same sort of fabric or another, nothing is an isolated structure.

I love die photos.

The cache looks neat.

I believe each core has its own private L2, and the L3 is shared.
The L3 is easy to identify, but its arrangement is very unique. It appears to have been fabbed into several 1MB blocks, and there is logic sitting in the center of all of it. The square in the center is what I'm referring to. I believe this to be similar to how the Jaguar quad core clusters share their L2.

Pls be good.

I'm tired of Intel monopoly.

Here is the Jaguar cluster for reference.
It looks like Zen is using a far more advanced version of this.

Also worth noting is the memory pads are distributed along the exterior on the die, they are not centered to one location. There also appears to be some interposer IO long one edge.
Two things AMD has consistently bragged about with Zen is the high memory bandwidth for enterprise chips, and the high bandwidth low latency cache.
There is good evidence in the die show alone that these are pretty beefy.

Sweclockers was the first group to reveal any information about AMD's Zen based parts, and we now know most everything they stated to be confirmed. They were first to reveal Zen being an SMT architecture, they were first to reveal it being an 8 core die, and they were first to use the codename Summit Ridge. All of that is confirmed. They also stated that Summit Ridge would be a 95w chip.
If they can hit a base clock moderately north of 3ghz inside of that 95w TDP then they should have something that can compete against intel from Xeon Ds to e5 and e7 Xeons.

General info on the Zen core found in linux kernel patches, with a bit of speculation on part of the author.
dresdenboy.blogspot.de/2016/02/new-amd-zen-core-details-emerged.html

Chinese mom is whipping AMD back into shape.
She'll tolerate nothing less than A+MD.

Relevant

Hans de Vries of Chip-Architect has been examining the image.
Its pretty interesting.

It'll be worth it if it's actually fucking affordable. Intel jewing the market to death helps no-one.

>only launching with 6 and 8 core SKUs

fuck

I'm not gonna be able to afford zen until 2018

Mainstream Raven Ridge APUs will be available sometime in 2017.

Summit Ridge is competing against intel's Extreme line of processors.

>APU
>implying I want to waste money and die space on a worthless iGPU

Thats where the market is. Its the reason why all of intel's mainstream chips have a significant amount of die dedicated to graphics. This has been a growing trend for the better part of a decade now.

PC builders who mainly use their desktops for games don't want iGPUs.

5% of the market

Zen is in my opinion the most exciting thing coming out this year. Finally, after what felt like an eternity, AMD is actually going to update their CPU lineup.

>AMD launching Zen as HEDT first

They clearly care very much about that 5% of the market.

If you want to render videos then you pay for a prosumer grade chip like an i7E or Summit Ridge. If you don't need the threads then you get media accelerators and tertiary features that fill a check list that looks good from a marketing standpoint.

You're not getting a beast of a CPU for a budget price.

businesses who build pcs in bulk for enterprise use don't give two fucks about dropping in a gtx1080. less stuff for their it department to worry about

No, the consumer dies are just derived from the enterprise ones.

The highest binnings get saved for enterprise SKUs, AMD is launching Summit Ridge just to get cash coming in while they build inventory.

All I want was 4 Zen cores with no iGPU for a cheap price. Guess it ain't happening.

>All I want is a chip that has no appreciable profit margin for the company making it

Do you not see the issue here?

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What else is AMD good for? They exist to undercut Intel. They can't innovate worth a shit because they have no R&D budget. I was hoping they'd at least make themselves useful and release a viable budget alternative to Intel's overpriced yiddish silicon.

Actually they do. A lot of google's machines are powered by graphics cards, because graphics cards are incredibly good at computing.

If there enterprise market apus have trickle down to the enthusiast market, it'll be something all the tiny machine builders will want. Zen is supposed to have support for on board hbm2. But that aside, we'll likely see 4-8 core zen apus with p10 gpus that can be paired with another dedicated p10 gpu. Seriously, if you can get a mid tier Polaris 10 (380(x?) performance) integrated with 8 cores. You got yourself something nice to play with.

Why would I want an overpriced APU featuring a 380-tier GPU when I'm going to be buying a separate card that's at least as fast as a 390 anyway?

Zen is shaping up to be a huge disappointment.

>AMD can't innovate
This is just pure ignorance that borders on violent.

Dockport
HSA
Coherent memory buses
AMD64 extension
HBM
Hypertransport
DVFS
per part adaptive voltage
AMD has more innovative IP on the market than any of their competitors, they have only failed in establishing a solid brand presence through marketing.

>its a disappointment because I'm a whiny poorfaggot

Fixed for accuracy.

Are you some illiterate kid from Sup Forums

What are the odds of Apple putting Zen APUs in MacBooks?

>not wanting to spend $500 - $1,000 on a HEDT chip = poorfaggot

Ok.

Who knows? I wouldn't count on it, but it is possible. For a long time everyone suspected that Apple was the number one driving factor between the Samsung/GloFo deal.

They actually "graduated" from graphics cards a while back. They have custom hardware. Some sort of highly parallel ASIC setup they call "Tensor".

It's just a shot in the dark. In all honestly we could see apus with Vega chips on them. They've already stated plans for massive hppc apus with 32 zen cores, a gpu die the size of 64 zen cores, and as much as 32gb of hbm2 all crammed onto an interposer. Noone really knows just how well the zen architecture will perform, nor gcn4. It's all just speculation at this point.

To add to this, the image op posted is likely their 32 core cpus. All the information for zen states it scales with 4 cores per module and up to 4 modules per die. The 32core cpus are going to be 2 dies on an interposer.

The one enterprise chip that AMD has coming sometime next year is purported to have 4+ TFLOPS computer power. Thats DP, so its roughly equivalent to Fury X in an APU.
Big HPC chip they have planned for later on has a goal of 10TFLOPS DP.


If they don't have a consumer variant then I'll be buying an enterprise board to get my hands on one of these.

The image I posted is 8 core Summit Ridge.
You are incredibly confused.

Nice, keep in mind that they're going back to a unified socket design, so we might see something like lga1366 where you can put enterprise chips in enthusiast boards. You'd just likely lose certain enterprise features like ecc memory. And likely a much lower memory cap. But you'd get the trade off of overclock ability.

I seen you said it was summit Ridge, but it didn't say anything about it in the image, nor did you cite any source. So I just kinda jumped the gun.

AMD APU
>4+ TFLOPS
Who are you kidding buddy? Current AMD APU's have 0.8 TFLOPS and you expect a jump of over 400%?

There are clearly two clusters of cores per die.
Each cluster is only four cores. Very easy to see.


>we might see something like lga1366 where you can put enterprise chips in enthusiast boards.

That definitely isn't happening. Socket AM4 only supports dual channel memory.

Current APUs are 95w and lower TDP parts fabbed on cheap 28nm bulk, made for consumer desktops, and OEM machines like all in ones.
They are not enterprise hardware. The big APUs in question would be 300w~ parts like a Xeon Phi card.
Pull your head out of your ass or stay on a board like Sup Forums where you rightly belong.

>HBM
To be fair this wasn't AMD, they just bought it from another company who developed. And AMD themselves aren't exactly geniuses for thinking "you know what'd be cool? Faster memory".
HSA unfortunately never took off.

Intel doesn't offer affordable 8 cores with hyperthreading

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She should be Sup Forums's hero, not that fat fraud "Dr." Stallman.

This is 100% incorrect, stop pulling things out of your ass.
AMD partnered with a company called Amkor to develop HBM, They did not purchase IP from anyone else to do it. Sk Hynix was chosen to handle manufacturing and packaging of he die stacks with an agreement that AMD would pay for all known good die stacks coming off the line.

The entire concept and early versions were entirely done by AMD.

But couldn't they make it so that when you're not gaming or doing graphically intensive things, the iGPU is used like on some laptops? That would be sort of nice because it would allow your system to run quieter.

Anyways, they are surprisingly capable. I've been using the HD530 because I built my PC recently, but am waiting until Polaris comes out to decide between getting a 1070 or whatever AMD puts out. I don't have any super demanding games in my library yet, but it can play Mass Effect 1 on high 1080p 60fps and CSGO on high 1080p 60fps with some AA on even. I haven't tried anything else yet though, but I wouldn't be surprised if it can handle modern games on medium/low settings.

FYI this picture is from 2011. AMD had prototypes as far back as 2010, and the working concept is even older than that.

>mfw retards in Sup Forums just say shit and expect not to be called out

I use the iGPU's for dual monitor & QuickSync for improved encoding over NVEnc for things like Steam In-Home Streaming. They're pretty rad.

How about stop being poor?

It's like a thousand dollars for current 16 thread intel chips

>ou don't have to buy the latest chips. There are surely really affordable xeon 8 cores for a low as 200 bucks, which will still trash any comparable AMD CPU, probably including zen, once it's out.

Sorry fucked up the greentext. Get a xeon, something like a E5-2670.

>am4 will support dual channel only

Can you post a link to this? Everything I've ever found is that zen will support up to 8 channel ddr4, but that specifically is only on articles for opterons.
If zen pushes the haswell level IPC everyone is speculating it to have. Why would you spend twice as much for the same performance on a larger form factor?

Only a few enterprise Opterons support 8 channel configurations. A 4 die MCM with 32 cores would have 8 channels.

Look at the memory pads on die for christ sake.

8 core/16 thread = dual channel
16 core/32 thread = quad channel
32 core/64 tread = octa channel

That only runs at 2.6ghz base, and lacks things like 10 gigabit and USB 3.1

I am now of the opinion that these "leaked" slides aren't fake, but they are in fact clever marketing put out by AMD themselves. They contained far too much correct information to be guesswork, they're just peppered with a few inaccuracies. The perfect piece of guerilla marketing to start people talking and keep them talking.

Most things on this slide in particular are legitimate, though Zen does not have 256bit pathways in its FPU, and the FPU is 4 wide instead of 3 as per kernel patch notes.

What's a cheap motherboard look like for that? I could use something cheaper than a 5820k for running VIRL & some other VM's

Some of them are very well put together. They may have been legit slides that were taken months in advance by someone at AMD and the details were changed as the FAD got closer

Zen isn't going to have that shared FPU bullshit like the Piledriver is it?

xeon is a meme since they can't be overclocked

Zen cores are independent like everything prior to bulldozer

The FlexFPU from the Bulldozer family is done with, each Zen core has its own independent FPU.

Zen marketing has really been kicking into overdrive on Sup Forums over the past month. A lot of astroturfing going on.

Its rare to hear good news from AMD so when they release something people swarm all over it.

>Expect Sup Forums to be shitting their pants about Zen
>They're pessimistic like everyone else

Why is no one hype as fuck for Zen? It's not even a fanboy thing, Zen kicking ass is literally good for everyone. Based on literally everything that has been seen, there should be nothing but cautious optimism for this CPU yet I still see so many people dismissive of the idea that AMD could ever make anything good.

The truth is NVIDIA is the capitalist who brings innovation because people know that if they innovate there, they will get big bucks.
Socialist AMD comes and ruins NVIDIA's inovation money grinding by trying to make them free for all(open source)

Kinda cute desu.

I'd appreciate having a minimal radeon igpu along with the hardware accelerated codecs so I can still use the pc even when the discrete gpu dies.
Future vulkan/dx12 games can even use the extra igpu cores to offload compute tasks.

Its a damn good thing that fanboyism isn't rampant. Hyping Zen to hell would be a terrible thing to do, just look back to the Bulldozer threads we had here.

Zen isn't going to perform on par with Skylake, and anyone claiming otherwise is only hurting AMD by inflating expectations beyond whats reasonable and factual. A 40% IPC uplift from excavator isn't hitting any home runs, and Zen won't tackle intel's enormous FPU prowess.

Zen will be around Ivy Bridge - Haswell in most integer workloads, it will probably outperform them in some metrics, and its going to fall behind in heavy FPU and vector stuff. It all comes down to how well the parts clock.

All of this
>HURR BASED KELLER AMD GONNA SMAESH INTEL XD
bullshit needs to stop. We should at least pretend to be sane adults here.

I'm just waiting to see how it really performs and the price point. I already know I'll need a new motherboard and memory and to upgrade to Windows 10 to fully take advantage of it. I don't need hype I want numbers.

Jesus christ you know laurance rockefeller invested in intel and apple when they were just startups?

See like this asshole right here, exactly what I mean.

First of all, no one is saying Zen will compete with Skylake in performance and no one ever said that, all this "HURR BASED KELLER AMD GONNA SMAESH INTEL XD" is your own dumbass putting words in people's mouths. But what it represents is AMD catching up and actually providing a compelling alternative to Intel's near monopoly. Bulldozer was a different beast entirely, AMD seems to have actually have their shit together in terms of how this thing works.

Ivy-Bridge to Haswell performance is fucking amazing, and it's exactly the performance we were expecting. Skylake was barely an upgrade from those chips anyway. If we're looking at a chips with near Haswell performance, Skylake's feature set, eight cores, and a lower price of both the motherboard and processor, then I say we do actually have a potentially compelling product on our hands. That's worth talking a little more optimistically about.

Also if you're going to tell people to be sane adults quit with the HURR DURR comments. This isn't Sup Forums.

Man, she cute

That's what I'm waiting on too, but based on the numbers that have leaked it's hard to not get excited. Of course leaks don't mean shit if it doesn't actually perform that way on release.

>First of all, no one is saying Zen will compete with Skylake in performance
Yes, yes they have. All over the web retards are saying this, and someone in every single Zen thread parrots it. A bunch of children like yourself on reddit took some Passmark results and multiplied them to try and simulate Zen, and took that figure and said Summit Ridge would compete against Skylake.

>all this "HURR BASED KELLER AMD GONNA SMAESH INTEL XD" is your own dumbass putting words in people's mouths.
No, you shit eating child, that is literally the meme that everyone here spouts. Find a single Zen thread where someone doesn't talk about the "certified shitwrecker" and how hes a miracle worker. Every single thread is filled with children, like you, who do nothing but harm AMD with their astroturfing bullshit.


Your post did nothing but highlight how fucking stupid you are.

Well that was a mature response, I've been reading Zen leaks/articles/threads since the beginning and I can't say I've seen any good proportion of people claiming it'll beat Skylake. Everything estimating performance put it below Skylake, and more people have been comparing it to Sandy Bridge. Keller is also a talented man, and he likely did have a substantial influence on Zen's development, but that's hardly a "meme" but no one is singing his graces that much at all especially since he left AMD.

Your post did nothing but prove what an immature man-child you are.

>even more bullshit

You immediately launched a personal attack against me for telling people to have reasonable expectations for Zen's performance. You then proceeded to dismiss and outright lie about perveiling rumors on the web. Acting like you're unaware of popular memes just makes you sound like this is your first day on Sup Forums as well. You're a complete shit eating child, hired shills have more tact than you do.

Pic related is the issue. This is exactly what everyone believes, its been going this way for month. Children just like you regurgitate this type of nonsense constantly. I argue against this bullshit, and you have a problem with me? Do us all a favor and go get murdered.

Shills like you do more harm to AMD than their hapless marketing department ever could. Retards like you created the Bulldozer media fiasco by constantly hyping everyone up, constantly blowing smoke up eachother's assholes. A lackluster CPU isn't the end of the world, it only got attention for so long because shit eating children spent a year shitting all over the internet about how it was going to be the best thing ever.

We'll I've been paying passing attention to the market for years, and I can assure you AMD will miss all their deadlines (twice), release a bugged chip, and then have gimped the whole thing with a cost cutting compromise.

Bulldozer wasn't that bad, though. For multithreaded applications, it was amazing. The problem is that nobody developed multithreaded workloads, and if you were paying attention during the Bulldozer hype, people were talking about that. After the launch, discussion about multithreading basically died while everyone and their mom shit themselves over Intel having better single core performance instead of asking why we weren't getting proper threading for our quad cores. Fast forward the better part of a decade, and it's AMD that's finally dragged the industry kicking and screaming into doing what they should have done years ago. Meanwhile, Intel continues to eek out incremental single core gains while not doing much else and somehow everyone believes they're doing a good job.

AMD wasn't hurt by its own hype, AMD was hurt by idiots, like you, misunderstanding market interactions. It's exactly the same as the 90s when Microsoft's blue screen errors were rampant, not because W95 and 98 were bad, but because hardware manufacturers refused to implement fixes for hardware conflicts so that they could build walled gardens. The difference is that AMD couldn't throw money at the problem like Microsoft did.

Speak from ignorance but call people children. Lame. You showed up saying that it's good that there's not much hype for Zen but also fuck hype for Zen. You're self inconsistent. Fuck off

>shit eating retard can't help but dig a deeper hole

Bulldozer wasn't just bad, it was terrible. Energy per op is horrendous, and its made even worse by the insane leakage displayed from being early silicon on GloFo's bugged 32nm PD-SOI process. The Zambezi family was originally meant to target clocks near 5ghz inside of a 125w TDP. The FX 8150 hit a 3.6ghz base clock. Astoundingly short of its projected target frequency range.

Later Vishera improved a bit, but still could only compete in one specific subset of workloads vs intel's Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge i7s. Heavily threaded integer bound ops that didn't involve a lot of cache hits. Not only were front end issues holding the arch back, but the low bandwidth and high latency of the L2 and L3 brought considerable performance penalties of their own. Bdver optimization guides have specific rules just for avoiding cycling ops through the cache.

Half of Steamrollers IPC gains were lost when L2 latency increased even further in a trade off for increasing bandwidth for APU performance. You know how they tried to fix this in Excavator? They cut the L2 in half to decrease access time, not certain workloads show a performance regression because L2 is hit too frequently despite being somewhat faster.
None of this is good, and there is no excusing it.

On Zen in this thread I have been nothing but consistent because I stick to posting facts, something you have no command over. Su said it herself when she stated Zen Opterons would address 80% of the market. They're going to be irrelevant in 20% of workloads that make heavy use of FPU ops.
Zen isn't going to be a home run, and nobody should delude themselves into thinking otherwise. You bitching because people aren't foaming at the mouth with rampant fanboyism is disgusting beyond words. People with reserved expectations are completely level headed. You are not.

Kill yourself, child.

This is a perfect example:
forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38198889&postcount=996

In X265 video encoding an Excavator core is 88.8% slower than a Haswell core per clock. A 40% uplift over this isn't worth getting giddy over.
Hyping this up only leaves a bad taste in people's mouths when the chips launch and reviews come out. Exactly like what happened with Bulldozer.

I like her because she's not an attention whore. Unlike those sjw woman "CEOs" whose whole purpose is to meet a quota and bring companies down. Lisa is humble and confident in herself.

Su is actually an accomplished mathematician and engineer, she even has worked in marketing before, she isn't comparable to any tech SJWs. With that kind of pedigree shes among the best of te best in Silicon Valley. People with real accomplishments don't rely on crutches like gender.

Anyone been able to deduce the die size based on this image?

hard working taiwanese versus speculative americanomercials

you know taiwan runs goods and the us runs the price

Nope, theres no reference to go off of.
My own personal guess has always been around 150mm2 and I'm sticking to it.

>They're going to be irrelevant in [...] workloads that make heavy use of FPU ops

Does this mean they'll be shit for games?

>Sandy Bridge
>Summit Ridge

These codenames are phonetically similar.

AMD confirmed for only targeting Sandy Bridge performance. It's over. Zen is a big fat flop.

I don't know of any games which are explicitly FPU bound so I can't qualify that.
Summit Ridge isn't going to perform worse per clock than Vishera or any current APU. Thats the only way I can answer your question.

So should I wait for zen instead of buying a 5820k or a 6800k when it comes out? Not that it'd necessarily be better.

neat

Guess which CPU Jim Keller first worked on when he hopped back on the AMD train?

FPU OPs are generally run on the GPU given that you're not Bethesda and implement x87, which was deprecated some 20 years ago.

He actually worked on Excavator for a short amount of time before starting with Zen.
I'm not sure he even touched the Cat-cores as these were pretty damn decent on their own already.