/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

Previously on: Welcome to /fglt/. We are always open to users of all levels, including absolute beginners.

There are four ways to try GNU/Linux, you can:

0) Install a GNU/Linux OS on a VM (Virtual Machine/VirtualBox) for "safety purposes"
1) Use the Live ISO directly without installing anything, that way, you can get a "full GNU/Linux experience".
2) Dual-boot GNU/Linux with Windows/Mac (recommended if you want to learn more about GNU/Linux)
3) Go balls deep and overwrite everything with GNU/Linux

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wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Category:GNU/Linux
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prism-break.org/en/categories/gnu-linux/
linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php
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Other urls found in this thread:

fglt.nl/guides/picking-a-distro.html
youtube.com/watch?v=3fOpHRrOBJQ
skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bag
twitter.com/AnonBabble

I think I screwed something up. I was trying to mv an iso file to my USB and assumed it was sdb1, but I guess it wasn't?
sdb1 now can be mounted and unmounted even when I have no USB in, and I can view the files. WTF did I just do?

Just in case the other /fglt/ get deleted:

I've installed Debain on my machine, no DE. Wifi drivers work fine, but can't connect to anything around it. I deiced to install Debian again, this time with gnome and this time, it works! What am I missing here when I was just running openbox with network manager I couldn't even connect to my own network.

What am I missing here? I really don't want to use gnome

you can check what devices you have with
lsblk
then you can guess what it is by looking at the size of sdb1, also
mount
gives you information what is mounted where

This is linux related so why not
Am I missing something Sup Forums?

sudo chmod 770

Sudo doesn't exist
This is why I am using su

ok so lsblk doesn't list sdb1, but it's still in the dev folder. When I list my dev folder, my terminal colors it as if it's just a regular file and not an actual drive... and yet I can still mount it

does your phone actually have bash as a shell?

Maybe you did an expert install and included nonfree so that linux-firmware-nonfree or iwlwifi or bc43 got installed?

Why doesn't ls -l display anything?

It comes included yes

No fucking idea

I just read about permissions yesterday, so I I'm not sure I get this right.. but:
owner has rwx permissions (7), as does the group (7). Others have neither read, write, nor execute permissions.
Wouldn't root be "others"? How about 777 or 771?
maybe it -is- a file?

Trying doing ls -l when you're root
Maybe it doesn't display anything as normal user because you don't have read permissions in that directory?

most stable linux distro?
ubuntu?
im using for my dual core era laptop

I put xubuntu in my mom's 2006 laptop. runs fine

>iwlwifi
Was I not suppose install this? I'm a noob to this, and I'm not sure what you mean.

Permission denied
Even with 777

The listing was cut out somehow
Permissions are fine

II have a small ssd. Is it safe to put my home folder on my second drive?

for distro picking help, refer to the thread website:
fglt.nl/guides/picking-a-distro.html

during the partitioning put / partition and swap on the SSD (anything above 32GB should be just fine) and the /home partition on the HDD.

> Is it safe
It's actually the recommended type of installation.
Documents and media that usually make up majority of /home directories do not benefit from SSD read and access speeds. Putting a /home partition on an SSD is just waste.

That list is trash because it was obviously written by someone who isn't over his "let me use this chance to shit on distros I don't like" phase.

good thing you can change it then:
>I'd greatly appreciate any help in maintaining this list, and that includes suggestions for other distros in the list. You can have one added by sending in a MR on the repository.

>install arch on lenovo laptop
>fn+something shortcuts don't work except for backlight control
What do I do now? I managed to get broadcom wifi going, but how do I turn it off or on?
I also installed tlp, but how do I choose whether it should charge the battery or not when connected?

who else here /mastered regexps and sed after hours of writing scripts to download porn/

Luckily I'm over the "correcting people on the internet" phase.

Seems like some very phone specific issues. That's not acting like it should normally on a PC

I'm guessing the SD card was mounted automatically, and not by you through the CLI. Certain mount flags like "noexec" prevent execution of any file on the drive, even using root. Check how it was mounted, maybe look in your /etc/fstab if you have one

yeah file /dev/sdb1 outputs that it's just a regular file. it's just strange how mounting it gives me access to everything that would have been on the iso...
learn something new every day. I suppose i'm safe to delete it then?

okay, so now I need to "load" something called hid-wiimote?

i have no idea desu, i dont run ubuntu and i dont use xwiimote. i searched around a bit to find the correct package name

cool, I got audio hotkeys by installing xfce4-volumed

Fixed screenfetch not running by running chmod via recovery

Fixed screenfetch not running by running chmod via recovery
Now I get this error

So niggers. once for all. What is you fucking problem with APT?

Everythread I see faglords posting:
>apt
>not even once

Why is this a thing?

Why is it that the best terminal emulator, Mintty, is only on Windows?

u r x v t

archfags being butthurt

ok bud, here is a (You)

>no True Color support
Pathetic.

>being gay

Bump

hey /fglt/, what video games do you enjoy playing on GNU/Linux?

sakura dungeon

/vr/

yakuake/guake + tmux

OpenRA and some games from the gnome-games package

I'm using Arch, but apt seems fine to me. It's not as fast as pacman, although everything has advantages and disadvantages.

bumping for a answer.

The Cube 2 engine (original Quake -> Sauerbraten) is pretty popular. There are some forks like Red Eclipse and Tesseract - all of them give you a minecraft-like world editor inclusive FPS.
youtube.com/watch?v=3fOpHRrOBJQ

my problems with Apt, compared to Redhat's DNF/Yum:

dnf is one command for everything. Apt has apt-get, aptitude, apt and probably even more.
I can do "dnf install", "dnf remove", "dnf list" and they all work as expected. If "dnf install" installs 10 packages, "dnf remove" removes 10 packages.
Apt on the other hand is confusing to me. "apt-get install" might install 10 packages, but "apt-get remove" doesn't always remove all of them again.
As far as I know, apt-get doesn't provide a way to search the repositories for a package, you have to use the apt or aptitude command instead.
Dnf lists packages line by line before installing and asks "install y/N?" so I can always check what I'm doing.
I've had apt-get simply start installing, even if it's something that unexpectedly has lots of dependencies. Also apt-get lists packages not line by line, but separated only by commas, which really isn't the most structured way to present that information
Apt is faster than dnf though, I'll admit that. And I vastly prefer "apt-get/dnf install" to "pacman -S". Can't remember what Syu and all that stands for with pacman

I play a lot of source games. I play very few games that don't support GNU/Linux, but when I do I use my passthrough.

What is purge + autoremove

>>dnf is one command for everything. Apt has apt-get, aptitude, apt and probably even more.
- aptitude is a framework for apt, apt works without it
- apt is a new shortcut for apt-get
>I can do "dnf install", "dnf remove", "dnf list" and they all work as expected.
same with apt
> If "dnf install" installs 10 packages, "dnf remove" removes 10 packages.
same with apt
>Apt on the other hand is confusing to me. "apt-get install" might install 10 packages, but "apt-get remove" doesn't always remove all of them again.
apt has two options to remove packages, once is the simple"remove"; it only remoce the packages, then there is apt-get purge, wich will remove also configuration files, additionally there is apt-get autoremove, if you use it, it will ask you if requirements should also be removed within the package.
>As far as I know, apt-get doesn't provide a way to search the repositories for a package, you have to use the apt or aptitude command instead.
Sine apt caches with every update the repo mirrors, you can search them offline via apt-cache search
>Dnf lists packages line by line before installing and asks "install y/N?" so I can always check what I'm doing.
So does apt.
>Apt is faster than dnf though, I'll admit that.
The speed of the package manager always depents on the speed of the servers. If dnf feels slow for you, try servers near to your location.

When ever i use convert(imagemagick) to resize an image, it just outputs a few byte file thats just scrambled lines(like 90's tv).It's worked fine before.Did i miss something?
convert -resize 640x480

I seriously should clean my keyboard, kek. Characters missing (RIP).

convert 1465084728564.jpg -resize 640x480 out.jpg worked as expected, any error messages?

>Permission denied
Try running the command as root

...

does he only have one shirt?

No errors, it just creates the odd file.

unreal tournament
civ5

emulation
>epsxe

...

I love this guy.

Thinking of installing Debian to mess with it over this summer and probably stick with it from september on when I get back to university.
Will I be able to get through the year with Debian? Could I bring it to uni without making a complete fool of myself when it fails to do some basic task?
I do programming and please don't recommend ubuntu. I'd rather not use any derivates of anything but the thing that started it

/usr/bin/env doesn't exist for some reason
Its located at /system/xbin/env
I tries changing !#/usr/bin/env bash to !#/system/xbin/env bash but it didn't work and returns same error

>I'd rather not be productive over some stupid principle

What are you even trying this? Screnfetch isn't able to fetch any informations about your phone anyway?

kil yourself, then leave the thread

Debian is breddy good. Just don't go with "stable". Get Sid. It provides a nice tui for installing and the wiki should help in case of problems.

because nobody ever uses Debian productively, sure
if you need MS Office and can't use LibreOffice instead you might have some trouble. You can use Wine for that though.
Most things can be done through the graphic environment, that should be easy enough.
Make a list beforehand of all the things you take for granted and then check if your laptop does them with Debian. If not, come back here and we can help you get back your functionality

I like debian I've used it before, but installing it over Ubuntu just because of some esoteric guideline like 'not using any derivatives' is idiotic
No you

university student here, and i use debian full-time on my laptop.

I haven't had any trouble.

All of my professors require any written assignments to be submitted online in a pdf document (doc and docx are usually not allowed), so I haven't had to use MS office in years.

Make sure your wifi drivers work well, and that you can connect to networks quickly.

Make sure that you have graphics card support and that you can use hardware acceleration, as using software rendering for watching a video required for an assignment will be really shitty.

I use debian testing, but that or unstable will be fine.

stable has really old software.

Thanks guys
Would installing a windows 10 vm on it be a safer way to play it in case wine can't handle certain software?

Enjoy your canonical cock up the butt.

Wine can do more than you would expect, but you should alway search for a native and free equivalent instead.

The ethics of Canonical are irrelevant. I try not to use their software because of their ethics (mostly because they added web searches in their menu search), but Linux is built on derivatives over derivatives, denying this is imbecilic.

I know I know
Last thing I want to do is run linux as a host for windows emulation.
But it would be kinda hard to convince my lady we should stop skyping because it's not free software

skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-linux/

Whatever excuse you may find, there is no excuse for using Ubuntu. It's the worst distribution that ever showed up. It's pure cancer and nobody should use it. I'd rather recommend Manjaro than Ubuntu. Ubuntu is Microsoft's BBF, Canonical gives a shit about the community, freedom, ethics, security, privacy; they're only interested in market share and stuff that "just works".

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bag

I'm not trying to defend Canonical, I'm saying the 'don't use software derivatives' meme is stupid.

Tried it.
On debian it couldn't find my camera. On ubuntu the image was darker that it would have been on windows.
Have to recognize I did not try messing with the drivers or anything else though

Show your lady a wireshark peak of data that skype sends home while it isn't even connected to any call.

True that user. Ubuntu is more popular than Debian for a reason, even if it is derivative.

>for a reason
Literally same reason why Windows is popular.

>It's the worst distribution that ever showed up
Ubuntu was the sole reason that the Linux community even began considering prioritizing ease of use. You may not like some of their decisions, but it has been a net positive for Linux.

Meanwhile we've got Red Hat and their severe case of NIH peddling shit like systemd.

I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

I actively avoid GNU software because it triggers me. I'd appreciate you adding a trigger warning when you call it GNU/Linux, thank you very much.

Is there a way to viu the current desktop a user is using, with all the program windows opened and all, in Debian, without TeamViewer? I've tried VNC but it only show a new user desktop, without the opened program windows.

>they posted it again

The end doesn't justifie the means. If people want proprietary drivers, steam, skype and AAA games, they're better with keeping windows - and Canonical get's that. What Cannonical currently does is porting free software to Windows, which is maybe another good thing, but at the end, it breeds people asking "Why even try GNU/Linux when Windows already runs all the Linux stuff?".

Because I know for sure that my OS is not spying on me, that if I study some more I can change my software to work how I want. That I have the freedom of choosing any DE I want to use if another one gets in the way. None of this can be done on windows.

But mostly, that the code is audited and guaranteed to not be malicious.

>But mostly, that the code is audited and guaranteed to not be malicious.
How about the Amazon lense?

That's not necessarily the case. Bringing proprietary software to Linux might seem bad initially, but it gets you market share. Market share is the driving force behind resource allocation for development. Had Ubuntu not brought Linux into the spotlight you probably wouldn't even be running Linux today. Diving straight into Linux with Slackware or Gentoo is not easy.

They removed it in 16.04.

>They removed it in 16.04.
It isn't removed, it's just disabled.

You're sure that something like that doesn't happen again?

why do people not like systemd?
what are the alternatives, and why would one switch to them?

I'm not sure that any number of intelligence agencies haven't backdoored the Linux kernel either. I do expect that Canonical will be fairly transparent about whatever spyware they add and make it easy to remove. I do understand that development has a cost, which is why I also accept that Firefox has Google/Yahoo with search suggestions as their default search engine.

>but it gets you market share
But GNU/Linux isn't about market share. Nobody is seeking for the "hurr durr, I'm using the most popular OS" goal; it's about having a free operating system, where the user is in control. Shipping this thing with proprietary software kills the whole purpose: why even using GNU/Linux? Windows runs proprietary software just better, since they have all driver licenses and copyrights right there.

>I'm not sure that any number of intelligence agencies haven't backdoored the Linux kernel either.
This is why you shouldn't use vanilla Linux.