Nvidia supports Linux by making proper drivers and supporting Valve in their Steam machine project

>Nvidia supports Linux by making proper drivers and supporting Valve in their Steam machine project

>Meanwhile AMD rides M$'s cock with DX12 and locking their future processors to win10

Why does Sup Forums consider AMD to be the good guys, again?

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Who cares what Sup Forums thinks? Not me!

Because amd doesnt say that their products offer 4GB of vram when they have less.

Because amd doesnt gimp older cards

Because amd doesnt hand out reviewers-only drivers to turn the tides of their benchmarks

Because amd doesnt lie about their tdp

Because amd doesnt use a 128 bit bus-width on a 400 dollar card

Because amd doesnt gimp the competition with closed source software.

Because amd doesnt ignore an important part of the modern GPGPU just because its biggest market is L33T GAYMURS

Because amd didnt release fermi

is that loose vagina skin or some dudes ballsack

you're on Sup Forums you fucking faggot

Neither
What do you know?

what the fuck is it then

Well they also basically wrote vulkan. They had no direct involvement in DX12 I think

Not him
The thing that cutfags don't have

>Why does Sup Forums consider AMD to be the good guys, again?
AMD: open sourced their kernel drivers (and got parts of it merged into the official kernel tree already), releases GPU specifications to the mesa devs, pushes for open standards such as VESA adaptive sync and Mantle (which became DX12/Vulkan). When they make a standard, they open it up and embrace compatibility.

Nvidia: Everything's closed source and proprietary. They push garbage like G-SYNC and NVIDIA 3D that's highly closer source and in practice consists of companies paying 100$+ per unit to license expensive glorified DRM chips. They actively hinder the development of free drivers for their devices (e.g. Tegra) and want to force their monopoly on everything. When they come up with a new technology, they make it nvidia-only and actively troll competitors into not being able to implement compatibility. Actively pays developers to cripple performance on AMD cards (nvidia “GameWorks” technology, similar to how intel C compiler cripples performance on AMD CPUs)

AMD is the underdog because they're the ones not exploiting ruthless, underhanded tactics to gain an advantage.

/thread

I dislike amdfags because they're a bunch of anti-semites, but it does seem you're drawing a lot of implications from the simple fact that AMD is too poor to make drivers for their cards.

>AMD is the underdog because they're the ones not exploiting ruthless, underhanded tactics to gain an advantage.
That and piledriver, lol

I'm not sure putting out closed-source drivers is really that ruthless, either. More like ATI can't afford to make drivers so they open source everything hoping to get help.

Nvidia is a shitty company, though.

I see your words, and I understand, but...
>Buy AMD R9 280x
>Confident that AMD has surely figured out their laughably bad driver situation on Linux by now
>Try to play Dying Light
>Crash after several minutes of game play
>When it doesn't crash, whole game turns into film grain after a few minutes
>Swap out my old GTX 465
>No issues
>Try to play Metro: Last Light
>Previously played all the way through on GTX 465 flawlessly
>Didn't even make it 10 minutes before crash to desktop
>Regularly greeted with Ubuntu's "shit crashed, yo" dialog on startup
>Faulting module
>fglrx

Yeah, AMD is just a shining example of corporate support of open source. Too bad the proprietary bad guys can actually write drivers.

>AMD: open sourced their kernel drivers (and got parts of it merged into the official kernel tree already), releases GPU specifications to the mesa devs, pushes for open standards such as VESA adaptive sync and Mantle (which became DX12/Vulkan). When they make a standard, they open it up and embrace compatibility.

I think you mean dropped support for fglrx forked radeon and patched in basic barely functional support for their new chipsets. You can typically expect 10-20% of the performance your card would have in Windows.

Meanwhile Nvidia and Intel are basically feature complete and on parity performance wise with Windows.

>I see your words, and I understand, but...
you and me both. I'm the author of and I use a GTX 970.

I fucking hate the guts out of nvidia, but mostly I hate them because I'm forced to buy their garbage products seeing as there's no real competition.

How much DO you get paid an hour to hunt down every pro-AMD post and try and shut it down?

...

I see you must be new to Sup Forums. He's a known tripfaggot troll that has been on the board for years. Just filter and move on with life

Wasn't a pro AMD post it was just misleading.

AMD essentially announced that they wouldn't be supporting their latest cards with their proprietary drivers. People were forced to switch to the open source ones which have really really bad support, which hasn't improved.

Again, I don't disagree. But back in the day, there was a definite push from Nvidia to get their shit working on Linux. They didn't have to do that. They could have pointed to that "0.0000001%" number of Linux users or whatever the fuck it is, and shunned us like most companies do. But they didn't. That's why they will always get my money. Had to downgrade to a GTX 950 since I can't afford another high-end card so soon, but you know what? It fucking works.

Yeah, pretty much. The sad thing is that nvidia GPU's performance is absolutely terrible in the OpenGL applications I run, even considering the overhead of AMD's shitty drivers.

So I'm not only giving money to the jew, I'm also spending about 2-3 times as much for *equivalent* performance compared to AMD.

But hey, at least their driver has working 10-bit and vsync support.

>AMD essentially announced that they wouldn't be supporting their latest cards with their proprietary drivers.
Speaking of misleading posts.

AMD is taking catalyst which formerly relied on a proprietary kernel module and making it rely on the kernel drivers that are already integrated into the linux kernel. Catalyst is not going away entirely at least not initially they're just making it suck less by using the vastly more stable open source kernel drivers. They also added like 30 more devs to the open source kernel drivers.

no direct, but damn near everything that made mantle better was adopted into dx12

>>Nvidia supports Linux by making proper drivers and supporting Valve in their Steam machine project

So what is the amdgpu stack? Some kind of mysterious fictitious driver?

amdgpu works fairly well in open-source form, and the pro driver overlay could end up providing REALLY good gaming support to Linux. Worlds better than the old fglrx drivers, which AMD stopped supporting ages ago, and also worlds better than the previous open-source 'radeon' driver.

No, they dropped support for fglrx, they used to update it so you could use the latest Xorg versions. Now you have to use AMDGPU.

They're not dropping catalyst they're dropping the kernel module that the old versions of catalyst used.

You can use amdgpu all by itself and be almost completely open source or you can *optionally* install catalyst for the stuff that requires it.

>They're not dropping catalyst they're dropping the kernel module that the old versions of catalyst used.

I love how you keep avoiding using the words fglrx, the module that actually gives you semi decent performance with AMD cards which they no longer update.

Yeah lets just fuck every single customer we have and downgrade their performance by at least half because were fucking awesome - AMDGPU team.

Claps

We need more people like you

Because the people using AMD do so because they are broke asspies that use computers cobbled together with scrap from dumpsters

They use operating systems (linux) that are free because they are too autistic to even pirate windows

Therefore, amd is defended

Sup Forums faggots ruined Sup Forums
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>Worlds better than the old fglrx drivers, which AMD stopped supporting ages ago, and also worlds better than the previous open-source 'radeon' driver.

To be fair the old radeon drivers were maintained by like 2-4 guys. The reason amdgpu has improved so much recently is AMD has added like 30 more devs to the open source driver team. amdgpu and radeon/radeonsi use the same infrastructure so work on amdgpu might bring improvements to the other radeon drivers as well.

Linux isn't an operating system you fucking retard.

It won't.
If you have anything older than 5000 series you are EOL and can kiss your support goodbye, you can't use Xorg newer than 1.13

AMDGPU has shit performance compared to fglrx which they aren't open sourcing regardless of what anyone in this thread is claiming.

Assuming you have a newish card you are guaranteed 100% shit performance.

If you have an older card you can get performance with old versions of Xorg and OpenGL but it WILL crash.

tl;dr no fucking drivers

GTX 1080 Ti WHEN?????

>locking their future processors to win10
That's not really how it works

The gist of it is that no one wants to bother making drivers or firmware for the newest processors/SoC/etc. for Win 7 or 8

>supporting Valve in their Steam machine project
>supporting Valve in their stillborn hardware project

>Nvidia supports Linux by making proper drivers and supporting Valve in their Steam machine project

Nvidia does not not make proper OpenGL drivers, they make fast OpenGL drives. Nvidia often butchers OpenGL guide lines to make drivers faster. They still follow the spec though. The problem is that the OpenGL spec is loose. AMD follows OpenGL guide lines much more closely but since they had small market share (of already small Linux market share) nobody optimizes for their cards.

>Meanwhile AMD rides M$'s cock with DX12 and locking their future processors to win10

Are you fucking retarded? AMD made Mantle which later became the basis for Vulcan. And because of Mantle M$ had to come up with DX12 quickly.

You see AMD+DX12 a lot because AMD performs better on DX12 but AMD performs better of Vulcan too. And the only game that supports lots of DX12 features and used in test a lot is Ashes of Singularity, and this game is switching to Vulcan on both Linux and Windows when batter drivers are available.

AMDGPU already supports vulkan

phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-nv-glvk&num=2

Results are not bad at all

these graphs are so hilarious

they show just how bad AMD's OpenGL drivers are

I hate to say it, but AMD gets stomped on specifically because they're the socialism to intel and nvidia's hypercapitalism

why is DX12 even relevant for you when you guys hate Windows 10 anyway and dont use it?

Because memers will shill 10 all day because they're Sup Forumsermin and care nothing about actual technology

Their gallium drivers are. Fglrx's performance is good but it's an absolute mess for other reasons

And you think that and would be even the slightest bit better if they had a bigger market share? Kek
The reason they do this stuff is because they have no choice. If they did proprietary stuff, they'd be gone in days. Even "Nobodier" would buy their shit. Nvidia - like Apple - can afford to do proprietary crap and fuck over their customers financially. That's capitalism for you

Because DX12 = Vulkan

Burden of proof.

Nice FUD idiot.

>Because amd doesnt say that their products offer ...

But the card DOES have 4GB of VRAM. Yes, the last 500MB is slower - But as the benches show since day 1: The card performed really well for the price. That's why people bought it, not paper specs.

>Because amd doesnt gimp older ...

AMD doesn't have any fucking older cards. They've all been tiny revisions of GCN since Jan 2012. Nvidia have had 3 generations now in that time. And I wouldn't be surprised if Polaris is just the same GCN arch with new silicon and some power consumption optimisations.

>Because amd doesnt hand out reviewers-only drivers ...

Prove it.

>Because amd doesnt lie about their tdp

Don't tell me you're one of those retards that looks at a nanosecond scale graph where the power usage fluctuates rapidly between 50W and 300W and therefore concludes that a TDP of 150W is impossible?

Something tells me you're one of those retards. Look up the definition of TDP, and while you're at it, realise that it doesn't matter if you draw 300W for a few ns or even ms. That's what capacitors are for.

>Because amd doesnt use a 128 bit ...

Nothing wrong with doing that if you have BW compression tech and intelligent caching algorithms (this is practically the hallmark of modern Nvidia cards). Saves you tonnes of expense & power that can be used better elsewhere.

>Because amd doesnt gimp the competition ...

How do you gimp the competition by releasing your own software? If people don't want any Nvidia features, they can not install their software and not enable their features in games. Just because they have the budget to actually make new shit for themselves doesn't gimp anyone else.

>Because amd doesnt ignore an important part ...

So when Fermi first went GPGPU heavy that was a laughing stock, but when they do the opposite it's a problem too? ... Hilarious.

>Because amd didnt release fermi

There's a hell of a lot of GCN that's worse, and at least Fermi had huge perf advantages.

If Nvidia offers me a better experience, I see no reason to buy it over an inferior AMD product because muh principles. If anything, this just illustrates how open source doesn't provide the same inventive to provide a good end user experience that proprietary software does. That said, I just don't like Microsoft and hope Linux takes off for gaming, and if Nvidia offers me a better experience for that you can guess whose card I'll be getting.

AYYMDPOORFAGS are extremely jealous of successful companies like Nvidia & Intel

You can pretty much ignore them, they're irrelevant

yes, and also by vulkan, they are both inspired on the mantle API (vulkan is the direct child of mantle)

>If Nvidia offers me a better experience, I see no reason to buy it over an inferior AMD product because muh principles.
For me it depends. If it's only a matter of price, I'll go for the price+principles over the cheap+sellout option.

However, the problem for me is that AMD vs Nvidia isn't a matter of price - there are some things you can't get out of AMD no matter how much you spend (e.g. working vsync, 10-bit output, real hwdec, etc.)

>working vsync, 10-bit output
The workstation cards supports 10 bit monitors.

And Freesync is now 3 times as widespread as the proprietary Gsync option.
Freesync is also 100% endorsed by Samsung and LG which are mastodons in the monitor/TV business.

>The workstation cards supports 10 bit monitors.
Yeah but they also cost 10x as much. I want 10 bit support on the consumer monitors

That said, though, there seems to be a patch floating around that enables it for the free drivers. I've been considering going AMDGPU + free drivers for my next build.

What will probably end up happening is that I buy an AMD card, see if the free drivers work properly yet, and then return it if they don't.

>I want 10 bit support on the consumer monitors
I don't see how AMD can help you with that though. It's not even their responsibility.
You need to talk to monitor makers about that.

typo, meant to write “consumer GPUs”

My monitors obviously support it, otherwise I wouldn't be asking

vulcan was given the entire code base and all documentation for it, dx12 went to through the specs and source and modified dx accordingly.

a subtle difference but difference none the less.

You mean microsoft badly copy/pasted mantle docs and introduced blatant errors in doing so

>AMD rides ms cock with dx 12
What is mantle?

It's funny how whenever AMD is shown to over promise and under deliver, AMDrones inevitably respond by bringing up the muh monopoly argument. You shouldn't support a company that puts out an inferior product because you're afraid of a monopoly, all you are doing is reducing AMD's incentive to stop over promising and under delivering. The point of competition is that inferior products don't get sales so that the company that makes them has incentive to improve, so supporting AMD just defeats the purpose of competition. We need actual competition, preferably from someone who has as much money to pour into R&D as Nvidia does.

lol Is that why the maker of linux, Linus, said nvidia is the worst company hes ever worked with and literally said fuck you to them.
You cant shill for that lol.

>>AMD rides ms cock with dx 12
>What is mantle?
Actually AMD fucked MS hard with Mantle. MS did not have plans to release any new DX alongside win10 but they had to do it when mantle came out. And it will be much easier to make Wine to support dx12 then to make Wine to support dx11. Because dx12 and vulcan are very similar and dx11 and OpenGL are very different.