Why don't they make programming easier? So normal people can do it too

Why don't they make programming easier? So normal people can do it too.

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Hell no

Good bait

Its already 2EZ, just use phyton and java, maybe C

python
matlab
r

I'm not baiting

Dumb Maki poster

Because then your average computer engineer autist won't be able to satisfy his ego or justify the thousands of dollars in debt he owes for that fancy college degree.

What do you mean? How would they make it easier? Also who is 'they'?

Easier how?
Programming is about understanding and designing complicated systems, and is a difficult exercise in problem solving, logic and mathematics. Writing another BASIC or Python isn't going to change that.

Yeah make it less difficult.

>tripfag hating on maki

Faggot you will never be kawaii

How? You would have to fundamentally change how computers, logic and/or mathematics works.

It's name is literally maki. She's the cutest tomato!

FUCK YOU

The problem complexities are as difficult as math. If you make math easier you make programming easier.

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I dont think you get it user, programming is just telling a computer what to do. The fundamental nature of all computers is they work in binary, and languages are used to convert understandable terms into said binary, there is very little you can do to make these understandable terms more simple, because computers take everything 100% literally, there is no room for interpretation like in english. Bottom line, telling a computer what to do is complex.

If you cant understand basic python, then you would be too dumb to code anyways. Python is about as easy as it is going to get, especially seeing as its mainly importing more complex modules that have already been written to perform the task you want to do.

What maths are good to know for any programmer?

Its more a knowledge of how maths works, like order of operations, what ^2 means, ect. just basic high school concepts.
In all honesty, i don't even know my times tables and im still pretty capable with python and C++.
I have actually learned more about maths from programing than i did from school.

Just jump into it user, use youtube as an easy source of tutorials, and just play around. If you have/can find Sup Forums's list of programming tutorials, just start going through the list. Make a temperature converter or something.

This. They should make it so normal people can do it too.

*Sup Forums' Programming challenges

Damn, this bitch is hot

Look at those fucking jugs

Not as hot as mako!

But they've already invested 40 years of effort into trying to do that OP

You can't. Programming is based on logic, math and memory. You'd have to change that to make it easier

Is it because programmers are too weird to make it easy for regular people?

They can't relate to 99% of the population?

>so normal people can do it to
You'r implying that we are not normal?

Programming IS easy. Just use a non-meme language like Python or BASIC or Javascript.

THERE IS ONLY ONE CUTE TOMATO

Can you fucks please do some research before spouting bullshit?
Programing is hard because computers are complex and they have no mind of their own to interpret what you say.

for example, lets say you told a computer "Turn up volume", how would the computer know if you wanted to store that string for later use, print it out, increase the volume in a virtual 3d simulation, increase the sound volume, etc.
there is a reason the syntax is complex compared to human languages. Its not just MUHH SECRETS CLUBBB

In the first place, it started easy.

Then people complained about it being hard.
So they made it even easier.

>So normal people can do it too.
Normal people just need to put in the effort, as with any other skillset.
It's not even very much effort, just go do it.

>Python
>Javascript
>programming
That's scripting.

You're right about Python being a good starting point though.

>Scratch>Python>Java/C++

Doesn't get much easier than this.

>That's scripting.
It's Turing complete, therefore it's programming.

>describing an API
>complex

Exact maybe, but not much else. Certainly not complex.


The only barrier to entry is that all the jargon is either
repossessed from non-computer lingo in a very ad hoc fashion
or acronyms composed of extremely ambiguous words.

So whenever you find a new term you have to google it,
but what comes up is often yet more new terms.

The solution here to to look up /those/ terms.
And eventually all the terms start to make sense.
Doesn't even take that long.


>recommending scratch
Just start with Python.
And you should learn C before java.
>Python>C++>C>Java
Maybe even pick up Lisp between C and Java,
not to use mind you, it's worth the exposure.

Is programming really that hard? At it's heart it's just a few commands to learn and the rest is knowing how all the interactions work. It's not really complex, it just takes time.

Yeah, perhaps complex wasn't the right word, but thats generally what i meant.

Programming is already very easy. Would you rather write in assembly?

Then again, I guess anime must have done something to your brain.

If you want a programming language for non-programmers, there's PHP, but you'll end up making some really shitty stuff.

If you want a programming language that's just easy to learn, there's plenty. There are even frameworks for languages to make them easier to work with for specific tasks, just so you don't need to learn how to actually program.

I'll hit you with a hammer faggot

Sup Forumsutist here. Makiposters need to be gassed.

Rude.

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Why?

Why would normal people want to program?
Moreover, there was easy language for engineers, it's called FORTRAN.

>>That's scripting.
>It's Turing complete, therefore it's programming.
Not sure if trolling, but programming is different from scripting in the fact that your code is built into an executable, not run through an interpreter.

They've already made it as easier as they could, so dumb animeposter could program too. Simply use C# and all the VS tools and you can whip up any program you want, retarded weeaboo fuckstain.

It's still too difficult for normal people

If it is, then it's their problem. Programming will never be like video games where you can just press X to win and get the result.

I wrote this program written in C. Did I just do some programming or some scripting? Now I run it in a C interpreter. Scripting now? Not scripting? Then I compile it to executable using GCC? Programming?

I wrote a program in javascript. Scripting? Then compiled it to binary code to be run directly on the processor using v8. Scripting? Programming?

Don't kid yourself user, there is no difference.

Your mom xD

You are one dumb retard.

Why though? She's a miracle of the universe.

By all means please do elaborate.

Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

You sound so buttmad

cc.gatech.edu/~turk/math_gr.html

Programing is pretty easy. Shitty documentation for libraries makes it harder though.

this.
If you take an education which relies on programming, you may have one or two courses on programming.
That is 3% of the education.
Learning how to do something useful with it is a different story.

All the programmers would be out of jobs if they did that.

This has been the dirty secret of computers going back to the early Unix days.

He won't because his mom is currently shouting at him because he just shit on the floor out of anger.

That post number tho

This

We are actively trying to prevent women and minorities opportunities in the industry by making programming tailored for white males.

DUBALICIOUS

Programming ~is~ easy as fuck. It's just the most subhuman of subhumans become CS majors.

You seem pretty upset at someone on the Internet, are you sure you're not brain damaged?

I bet he lost all his good boy points too

Projecting much?

Yes

>He doesn't collect gbp from mommy
Pleb

It's already as simple as it can be. If you can't do it you're a retarded normie, and if you say it should be simpler, just learn JavaScript. You won't find anything simpler than that and its limits are all you'll be able to do with a language that simple.

God you're a fucking retard.

None. All math is application-specific.

Computer Science is the "math" of programming.

There is already programming for normal people / easy mode. It's called web development.

Web development is not easy mode. All you give in conceptual simplicity is made up by the fact that it's a swamp of cruft.

Easy mode programming is in fact Java and C#.

Python would count but for the fact that you generally dev on *nix.

When I tried C# for the first time it felt as if i had been dumped down in a wageslave programming team inside the Renraku arcology, not needing to give any thought to architecture or tooling, just implement "solutions" to standard patterns.

When I tried F# for the first time, which was the reason I booted up Visual Studio in the first place, I felt like a gold-collared "key employee" that had been given pre-approved "state of the art" tools to make "solutions to hard problems" that would link up with the wageslave code neatly, but no real creative freedom.

Why?

Makifags are so autistic that not even Sup Forums wants to deal with their shit. Go make a maki thread right now on Sup Forums and count how many times you're told to fuck off to Sup Forums.

Why do they redirect them here?

Ever since that autist last christmas started spamming maki, Sup Forums has accepted Sup Forums is the maki containment board.

oh shit Sup Forums memes are spilling to Sup Forums