Is running a Tor relay literally the best way to protect yourself on Tor?
>cyber police backtraces all other nodes
>comes knocking on your door
>"I run a Tor relay so I'm not responsible for the traffic that goes through it. I keep no logs so I can't help you backtrace further. Bye, have a nice day."
What exactly are you browsing on the internet that requires you to use tor???
Is this a thread for 13 year olds?
>be watching lewd pr0nz
>hear mom open my bedroom door
>alt-tab to desktop
>win
I can tell you for a fact
if they come to your door then they will take your pc
they boots on the ground are not going to deal with "lol relay tho"
Its a question of how well you conceal yourself on the system and how much money they spend on trying to get in
inb4 huurrr encryption
there are many other ways of gathering enough information to infer your actions
Especially if your traffic is compramised
Pirate stuff without ur isp getting pissy
>hur dur
you are quite possibly the dumbest person alive
it says in several places in the FAQ and quick guide why tor is not secure for torrenting
Tor relay != Tor exit node
I live in a free country, not a police state. My point is if they can prove it actually originated from you or if you were just acting as a relay? Once again, I live in a free country so running a Tor relay is not illegal.
>I run a Tor relay so I'm not responsible for the traffic that goes through it. I keep no logs so I can't help you backtrace further.
Well, as the internet service at your house is in your name, whatever goes through said internet service is your responsibility. As you didn't control the traffic from your PC - in fact, wilfully so, as you admitted running a relay - you're now being held legally responsible for said traffic.
So, about those gigabytes upon gigabytes of child pornography you downloaded...
if you did it, they can prove it
>not a police state
if the think you have broken the law, they will search your tech
infact, they might just send a summons and it would be up to you to prove it which would involve them inspecting it anyway
although you are, its questionable if you would be procecuted for running a node but possible, more likely your ISP will be more pissed
Are you for real, son?
>asks a question
>gets a reasonable answer
HURR U R RONG CUZ FREEDUM
dont fucking ask if you already decided what to do, its not a hugbox here
I think he is
he is acting autisticly enough to be
>questions that could be answerd while reading how to make self secure
>worried about running a node when lack of security would mean he would be caught stright away
>I let homeless people live in my house, so I'm not responsible for the meth lab that's in the basement
Huh: first post didn't go through, originally. Maybe there's a wait-for-human-approval process when a post contains red-flag words?
Traffic went through your internet connection, of you were aware of and wilfully allowed to continue. You're therefore responsible for that traffic, in both your ISP and door-kicker-inner's eyes.
do you mean a relay or a node? I run a relay but LE never sees that on the internet obviously.
when you start visiting CP as a node on a residential home connection you're guaranteed a visit from the FBI.
you can run exit nodes through institutions or rented VPS that is cool
suppose, but I have never heard of a node being blamed
then again it probably wasnt big news
>I leave my car keys in the ignition with the door unlocked and a sign on the dash saying 'free to use'
>anyway the bloodstains on the fabric and that clump of hair in the wheel well aren't mine
>anyway i'm not responsible for anything as it wasn't me. NO i can't prove anything, what's your point
>I run a Tor relay so I'm not responsible for the traffic that goes through it
That could be a weak, or even null legal defense, depending on your country or state's laws and precedents, and also your ISP's TOS. I know mine made me agree that I was personally responsible for all my traffic, so there's no way I'm ever letting someone use my computer as a relay.
It'd be pretty stupid, but it could work if the LEOs are incompetent.
Traffic is encrypted if you run a relay
Just don't run an end node
Also fuck off pedo
>nsa vs cia
> Officer!, Lads Lads it's not what it looks like. I'm not a peado and I don't dabble in illegal activities
Everytyme
Whats the fucking point of using Tor unless you're in fucking North Korea trying to stage a coup? I
f you pull some shit they WILL track you, just because they dont go chasing after all the losers on silkroad for basic drug trade doesn't mean you're absolutely consequence free.
All joking aside, could you be prosecuted for this?
Let's say that instead of a sign a family member borrowed the car on an ongoing basis taking it at random times without asking.
I can just imagine them smashing his front door and finding a harddrive full of CP before Mr MadThad here says "oh nah, this is a relay node"
>when you start visiting CP as a node on a residential home connection you're guaranteed a visit from the FBI.
Only if you're running on an OS with shitty security like default Linux or Windows XP.
Even if you leave your keys in the ignition its still not legal for someone to walk buy and grand theft auto you
however if you knew about it and let it continue you could be charged as an accomplice.
Except upstream network providers aren't responsible for downstream client content. Nobody has ever been charged for being a relay. The government is one of it's biggest funders, you'll be fine.
As for torrenting, it can be done if you configure it right. Torrenting on Whonix works out of the box. You'd be a complete faggot for loading the network like that though. Seedboxes are 15 dollars a month, just rent one. You're only looking at getting 100kb/s on a Tor connection anyway.
In the scenario I imagine the car would be lent on the assumption is was used for legal purposes.
>they will take your pc
they can also wipe it or keep it and there's nothing you can do
>I live in a free country
What country would that be? Because here in Europe you get your door kicked in and PC taken for as much as posting something anti-islamic on facebook
Tor is completely insecure against a global adversary. Using correlation they can see the pattern of packets you're sending into the mixnet and match it with patterns coming out.
unrelated, but i went to a junkyard to pull a passenger seat for a used car I bought.
it had been in a wreck and underneath the seat i found a portion of dried, wrinkly scalp with a lot of long blonde hair coming out of it.
Why are you on the internet at all?
Why do you have a computer in any form?
You have already comprimised your self.
Sup Forums datamines.
Google fingerprints every recaptcha.
Mook sells the information to the goverment.
The only relative way is to not use any digital devices in your entire life.
Yummy
Then you must give evidence on whom you lent it to, and frame them convincingly enough. If the trail stops at you, you're done.
Not in Poland ;^
>not doing almost all of your everyday browsing through Tor
Maybe I don't want the government keeping a record of my internet history for a year like I'm a criminal and also want to avoid browser fingerprinting done by companies now days. Only things I don't do through Tor now days are shitposting and anything involving important personal information such as online banking.
If you're an idiot and leave JS, Flash, Java, etc on? Sure, easily.
on that note, to this day, I dunno why the Tor Browser Bundle doesn't have those off by default, since they completely compromise your ability to be anonymous -- it'll stop your ISP (maybe, although larger ISPs have the resources to use timing to figure out who's who), but not anyone you'd actually really need to avoid knowing what you're doing
a good thing of living in a 3rd world country is that no one gives a shit if you pirate things
>living in a country where you need to care about being raided for browsing on interwebs
>"freedom"
ummm... no torrents through tor not anonymous and strains network. get a VPN.
which country?
your name is still on that server, so unless you get the server somewhere like Sweden where the privacy laws are very strict, or in the middle of Unga Bunga, Nowhere, you're still in the firing line.
Fucking this. Nordvpn is what I use. Absolutely flawless
Theres one thing i don't understand about the NSA/google/fingerprinting is the amount of data they collect. I run surveys and once you get a lot of data it becomes almost impossible. The NSA would have to have so many people to even glance at every entry that unless its just a computer flagging search terms and certain websites the data is so much it would be almost completely useless.
I use PIA I bought there package with bitcoin so it couldn't be tracked back to me.
I've been wondering about that to..
I used them for a while paying with Starbucks gift cards. Was a pretty sweet payment system.
If you mean mixed yes i followed the guide on the uncensored hidden wiki.
Its a pretty shady wiki. Said that this was supposed to be used to buy drugs.. It would have been easier to buy with a giftcard though.
What fucking free country? Every country is a police state. The only difference is how much of a fuck they give about your internet activity.
Thats why if i become a millionaire (very unlikely.) I will buy an oil tanker and invite all the privacy paranoid Sup Forums users to frolic in unmonitored internet aces! its sort of an unrealistic lifelong dream.
Nice plan buddy your a champ and a superstar and I don't want anyone to tell you anything different! (whispers to other users: be nice he's "special")
They collect so much that it would be impossible to search it by hand. Even as far back as 9/11, they were collecting so much that the size of the data was the biggest problem. They simply didn't, and don't, have a way of effectively quering it to find unknown terrorists.
It is remarkably good at finding known targets, so much so that NSA have begun routinely sharing their dragnet surveillance product with the FBI and local domestic police to fight common crimes. This is the same data that was only supposed to be collected to find terrorists and other boogie men. Now it's being used by backwoods police departments to convict petty criminals.
Enjoy getting boarded by the Coast Guard I guess.
Your connection from the oil tanker to the outside world would just be monitored. You've made it easier to find you.
A central tenant of any privacy product is that a wide spectrum of people have to use it to be effective.
It would be 8 miles off shore so i could therefor classify it as its own country.
You don't understand how the internet works. They would simply monitor the point where you connect to the internet.
Also, a country's sovereignty is only solidified when it is accepted as legitimate by the international community. Being in international waters isn't enough to create a country.
Yeah, until Tonga gets mildly annoyed or something and blows it up. International waters just means anyone can fuck your shit up with no consequence whatsoever.
What you need to be your own country is the following
1. Your own land (oil tanker works)
2. A way to communicate with other country's
3. A population
4. a defined border.
then why hasn't sea-land been blown to bits?
Unless they decide you are to blame for what traffic passes through your exit.
Which they may well do
They have software that raises red flags for them automatically when it detects patters associated with what they're looking for along with software for searching their databases.
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
Recognition of sovereignty is granted through treaties.
No, you're describing a micronation. Those are sovereign until some big nation-state cares about them, at which point they stop being sovereign and get annexed.
To be an actual country in the sense in which, say, France is a country, you generally need to have an army big enough to defend your sovereignity. You also need some sort of international recognition, so people actually deign to put you on a map and Germany can't annex you without the UN frowning at them.
Sealand hasn't been blown to bits because nobody gives a fuck about tiny abandoned pieces of concrete with two people living on them and no weapons.
Why the fuck did they name it skynet? was someone there a terminator fan?
Or did they just want to say: HAY GEIS WE NAMED THE PROJECT THAT "PROTECTS" YOU AFTER AND EVIL AI!!!
A relay and an exit node are not the same thing.
Here in America, the FBI comes twice or thrice a year and they have never seized anything.
You run a exit and get a visits for the fbi? *pulls plugs on exitnode*
Holy shit, are you telling me you're running an exit node and the FBI have literally come to your house?
Read the tor page on running exit nodes.
Ok family. What is the best cheap VPN?
Even if you use Tor you can still be traced back if your just a single user on a network using it.
Private internet access.
How?
we're arresting you for treason to Sealand.
we give our citizens many things, but freedom to insult our beautiful country in public is not one of them
Shit that would be awesome. Imagine us making our own country! Maybe we could get a piece of land on the U.S and make a city.
We could have a militia with a few highly equipped people.
How much is a oil tanker?
Which one? I haven't found any mention of feds anywhere on the Tor website and blog, aside from a long-time exit node operator saying he has never been visited by them.
How much?
>How much is a oil tanker?
uhhh... shipned.com
>USD 3.7
Brilliant, I'm buying two.
3.33 per month.
Shit lets buy one
So cheap? How? Is that for unlimited.
>>USD 3.7
Does it run and how many holes are in the hull?
One.
40 a year is very cheap, I might get it ASAP. What are some good things or features about having a VPN?
I can feel the tetanus from here.
whaaaaaat its just an ordinary
OH MY GOODNESS
>US based corporation
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>How much?
Only $3.33 + your privacy.
How many people would you expect to having living on this oil tanker and what would the living arrangements be? This can hold 48 connex containers on 3 levels that you could get creative making rooms out of:
shipned.com
Dude avoid PIA. Highly suspected to have nsa ties. Go with nordvpn.
okay lads what is the best free vpn
Go to Romania, buy the cheapest flat you can find that also gets high-speed fibre internet, throw a laptop in there, configure OpenVPN, add surveillance equipment and/or booby-trap the shit out of your new flat to prevent police (uncommon) and cat burglars (common) from compromising your VPN's integrity and enjoy! Don't forget to pay your power and internet bills.
Just become Big Boss
In what "Europe" do you live in?
That cuck bucket Germany?
Move to a shittier more easter part.
Also
>using facebook in 2016