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DPC Latency Hotfix Driver for GTX 1060, 1070, 1080
Isaac Russell
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Ayden Watson
doesn't seem to completely get rid of the latency but it's a start
Luis Foster
A GeForce driver is an incredibly complex piece of software, We have an army of software engineers constantly adding features and fixing bugs. These changes are checked into the main driver branches, which are eventually run through a massive QA process and released.
>army of software engineers
>ARMY
Ethan Powell
>doesn't fix anything
so AMD can fix a power draw issue and NVIDIA can't even fix stuttering and DPC latency? and AMD are supposed to have bad drivers?
Charles Thomas
>power draw fix
Literally downclocking gpu
Brayden Cruz
except that was an optional feature of it, the main, unchangeable fix did not downclock it
Cameron Lewis
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Caleb Green
I've had this shit happen on my GTX970.
What I first thought to be a Nvidia Driver because that was what LatencyMon reported turned out to be an wifi driver issue, changed to wired and problem solved.
Hunter Parker
>forums.geforce.com
>forums.geforce.com
>overclock.net
also have you noticed any of the screen flicking that a lot of pascal users have been enduring for two months now?
>forums.geforce.com
Wyatt Sanders
DELETE THIS
Landon Morales
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Camden Butler
Checked
Jeremiah Jackson
>>forums.geforce.com
i have flickering all the time on my brand new zotac gtx 1060, also a lot of microstutters
Austin Davis
Owen Nguyen
>no async fix
>no vulkan fix
>no DX12 fix
ok
Caleb Gutierrez
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Isaiah Bailey
Good thing I'll wait till next month to buy my new PC
Thank you for beta testing
Easton James
bump for fermi justice
Julian Martinez
NVIDIA FAGS BTFO!!! HAHA ENJOY YOUR SHIT CARDS!!
AMD ALL THE WAY!
Jacob Green
nVidia is "fixing" DPC-issues for years now.
It's embarrassing.
Charles Jenkins
haven't noticed any latency with my 1080.
Alexander Watson
Because you're a tech-illiterate retard who has no idea what DPC latency is. Go back to Sup Forums.
Nathan Jackson
I had the problem solved with hotfix.
anyway, I'm nvidiot since always and this is really the first time that such shit happened. don't be dicks. these guys are masters in drivers.
DO YOU KNOW IF nvidia drivers are universal? like if I switch for example to 650, 970, 1070....are all "reasonably modern" gpus supported?
Juan Moore
>this is really the first time that such shit happened. don't be dicks. these guys are masters in drivers
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In before the inevitable defensive response of a list of AMD driver issues, as if that excuses everything.
Ryan Ramirez
I've had no issues with my GTX 1080, everything runs super smooth and my temps stay below 70 degrees unlike shitty AMD cards.
Gavin Morris
if only there were any decent freesync monitors.
no 240hz for us. :(
144hzmonitors.com
sad shit.
Luis Nelson
This is WITH hotfix on my 1070 GTX.
Landon Scott
you got me
Isaac Reed
AMD cards work on my machine :^)
It's good new that Nvidia fixed something through drivers instead of gimping it.
Jaxson Cox
what stats before?
Carson Hernandez
2000 to 4000. I haven't noticed any lag ever what so ever, tho.
Isaiah Foster
Seems okay, my non-1000 series hangs around 80-100 but it had a spike to 9000 so that's kind of worrying.
Jeremiah Parker
>using the smiley with a carat nose
Samuel Kelly
I just checked mine (also have a 1070) and it reads about 1000 avg. And as you have said, I also don't experience lag of any kind I know of.
What does a high DPC Latency mean?
Camden Davis
From google:
DPC stands for Deferred Procedure Call. In its simplest form it is the part of your Windows system that handles driver efficiency. If there is a driver that is taking longer than normal to process, it may prevent other drivers from being processed in time.
Watch this video: youtube.com
Maybe I haven't experienced this issue because I have a G-Sync monitor and it covers the stuttering issue?
Ian Clark
I didn't even realize how bad that dpc issue is, what the heck....
Optimal latency is 50 and below constantly
I'd recommend you download Latency Mon and take it from there
BIOS upgrade, upgrading your PC’s hardware drivers, including the video, motherboard chipset and any other hardware
then comes display latency
Joshua Butler
I have a 120hz monitor, is that part of the problem? I heard people have this exact problem with higher refresh rates
Cooper Sullivan
Higher framerate just mean that the time betwen frames are sent to the monitor is shorter. Thus, any deviation in that time frame will be more noticeable.
Benjamin Campbell
No it isn't but you got to take it bottom up so it all starts with the bios (and a good psu)
make sure you have a stable overclock or your voltages are constant - using adaptive
disable c states and speedstep in the bios
then make sure your chipset drivers are updated, disable any controllers, make sure USB3 drivers are installed, disable other peripherals... There are many root causes
even not having a mouse driver would increase it, high dpc can be translated in some time microseconds that disconnect the real-time between you and the actual command, it's especially important in audio applications but all around high dpc is terrible and can lead to micro stutter, sometimes you wouldn't even realize it
Angel Perez
More like full of pajeets
Brody Nguyen
That's AMD
Jace Taylor
ayyy
Christian Fisher
amd was mostly fine until crimson
I have no idea what they were thinking other than "we gotta appeal to the 12 year old demographic"
Logan Davis
I watched that exact video before, and I noticed that even with a lower framerate, the fury x looked smoother on several occasions. Looks like to me that DPC is a big problem on my pc.
>pic related
I've run LatencyMon some minutes ago and Hard Pagefaults max. value was at over 27000.
I've looked into the drivers tab and found out that the nvidia kernel has the highest execution time (3 ms), I will install the new driver and test again
Brayden Sullivan
Yeah well use DDU and don't fret, it's a hardware issue so your point of reference is other users with the same config.
The issues started on 364 and that's when vulkan came in and nvidia probably tried implementing async and with windows 10 it botched up? Really not sure but instead of rolling back and rebuilding it just got pushed forward
Brody Morales
ok, so the new nvidia driver fixed the latency on their side, but I still get a shit ton of pagedefaults and also have the dpc still hovering around 1000
Lincoln Robinson
DPC latency checker is inaccurate on W8/10. Use latencymon.
James Bailey
pagefaults are inevitable
if you want to resolve the problem you need to optimize everything
search cs go tweaks 2015, it's a steam community page - not that I play cs go but it's a great guide
and black viper to tweak your os
be careful with you download and if you're running some botnet good luck with that]
another possible cause is that drivers need to be loaded before the win10 install - usb3, intel sata controllers... so you're maybe running on defaults. download them on your mobo website, gl
Jaxon Long
Holy shit the 1070 looks terrible wtf is happening?
Alexander Turner
Step it up senpai ;^)
Mason Gutierrez
AMD hasn't even fixed the power draw issue. They reduced it but it still draws more on the 12V from the PCI-e slot than it should, it's just that people look at the 75W max and think it is okay when that 75W is split between 12V and 3.3V. The 480 is drawing around 75W from the slot but less than the maximum 3.3V, so it is still overdrawing 12V.
They fucked up by just not putting an 8 pin on the reference model, and they can't fix that with drivers.
Alexander Scott
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Hudson Robinson
mine looks the exact same
Robert Diaz
They should fix the problem of being 90% slower than Nvidia cards on AMDs cards in 98% of games
Caleb Russell
But but you get more fps and the privilege of paying nvidia tax. AMD will never be able to compete with that.
Samuel King
Make sure to disable wifi, bluetooth, and anything wireless before checking DPC latency. Those things interrupt the computer like crazy so disable those before checking to see if your GPU is the culprit in the first place.
Gabriel Bell
hahahaha enjoy laggy piece of shit.
it's a feature.
James Reyes
Just tested SFV, a game I was having unexplained stutter on during matches. Seems to have fixed that - need to test out some other games/scenarios.
Jason Hughes
Who cares. He's happy.
Wyatt Sullivan
50% of nvidia engineers are indian.
dont believe me? go to the nvidia campus, it's open campus and you can sit around in the lawn
Cooper Smith
Has the gimping already begun?
Ayden Fisher
she's an inspiration to pedophiles everywhere
Liam Edwards
Should I be worried? It never goes under 1000, despite not having any issues... drivers are all up to date.
James Clark
Go to just about ANY software/tech company right now and it's like this.
Hunter Clark
>test interval 1000µs
Nicholas Murphy
That's the refresh interval actually. It doesn't allow you to change it anywhere and it should still measure lower.
Chase Murphy
Excuse me while I enjoy my slightly slower, slightly cheaper, more power hungry poo in loo GPU with low latency and no audio and video stutter (I run a DJ stream with ASIO driver so low latency is a must).
Suck it up nvidiots!
James Martinez
I'm not sure I'd rely on this utility for DPC on Windows 8 or 10.
They even have this disclaimer on their website:
>Windows 8 Compatibility: The DPC latency utility runs on Windows 8 but does not show correct values. The output suggests that the Windows 8 kernel performs badly and introduces a constant latency of one millisecond, which is not the case in practice. DPCs in the Windows 8 kernel behave identical to Windows 7. The utility produces incorrect results because the implementation of kernel timers has changed in Windows 8, which causes a side effect with the measuring algorithm used by the utility. Thesycon is working on a new version of the DPC latency utility and will make it available on this site as soon as it is finished.
I can cause the latency to permanently spike at 1000 microseconds just by moving my mouse around.
When running this software in these posts I'm told that;
>Your system appears to be suitable for handling real-time audio and other tasks without dropouts
Running a 780 for whatever that's worth.
Noah Wilson
Man I had DPC issues for a day because bad motherboard drivers and it drove me fucking insane, I honestly feel bad that nvidia is so bad at fixing this shit
Josiah Taylor
>They even have this disclaimer on their website:
Oh, that would explain this:
Justin Scott
>he really thinks anyone here actually buy cards
Matthew Powell
1070 without the hotfix
Alexander Young
I haven't had any issues, though I've barely had the cards for more than a week.
Landon Robinson
why is this even happening?
Jonathan Thomas
Catalyst was rubbish, antiquated software leftover from the ATI period. It was about time AMD relaunched the software.
Ayden Myers
Maybe Pascal is constantly telling the CPU to submit to its demands. :^)
Samuel Hill
You do know DPC checker is broken on win 8 and 10 right?
Lincoln Richardson
What are some signs that I should be looking for with this issue? I haven't noticed shit for the month or so I've had my 1070.
Robert Clark
If you don't have any issues, then don't give a fuck. :^)
Jackson Price
The way people in this thread talk it's like the cards are unusable or some shit
Ian Cox
the fuck?
Parker Cook
what is dpc latency? can someone explain to me?
Grayson Nelson
It is how long the OS is busy processing driver interrupts. Higher DPC means that the drivers hog your cpu more, and it increases the minimum amount of time it takes for the system to respond to *anything*. For low-latency stuff like audio processing, this can be critical.
Jace Walker
>amdfags ignoring the past
Samuel Gutierrez
When I found out about this I checked my DPC latency too and it was fucked. Audio is fine and games are very smooth (at 4K even), so I don't give much of a fuck really. 1080 SLI is an absolutely vast improvement over 290X CF I had previously.
Jaxson Morales
Obviously doesn't mean they shouldn't work on it. But for this to be blown out of the water like it is, when the same people claimed AMDs latency was no big deal is a joke.
Ayden Brooks
They very much should work on it, of course. I want it fixed, obviously.
AMD's problems weren't about DPC latency though, they were about frame time consistency, they had huge issues with that, especially in CF. Hell, they still do in CF in certain games, like TW3, even with HW and HBAO+ disabled.
Daniel Allen
If you use audio tools that use ASIO etc then high DPC can be the difference between a successful studio session and an absolute disaster. I DJ and use ASIO. When my DPC was fucked I had constant dropouts. So yes it is very important for a lot of people.
Hudson Reed
>tfw been using my 1070 for a month and did not even notice this
Adam Sullivan
>nvidiots ignoring the past
Dominic Parker
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Carson Diaz
How do you not, are you deaf or something?
Gavin Young
>install hotfix
>almost nothing changes
ayy
Because I have no idea what DPC latency is, something about videos and audio being suttering I guess.
Tyler Lewis
saw someone post a before after where theirs was just as bad as that, then dropped to 30-50. So it works for a lot of people, they'll have to keep working on it I guess.
Alexander Perez
It's not very significant, it did drop to slightly over 1k but I'm getting some random spikes up to 4k.
I dont see any difference in video quality or audio tho.
Samuel Roberts
Why would you need a vulkan or dx12 fix when the 1060 is far faster than the rx480 in system that use a mid range CPU that most users have.
And seeing as the 1070 and 1080 don't have any real opponents, i see no reason why nvidia need to push for better API integrity with their drivers right now.
Eli Long
Because all consoles use dx12 hardware, meaning that all PC ports will have them in a few years. If NVidia doesn't fix dx12 support, then their hardware will age horribly, while GCN cards keep getting more and more performance boosts.
Benjamin Rivera
>people using DPC with Windows 8/10
I hope you fools realize that it will show incorrect numbers, because it's not supported on those systems. Use LatecyMon
Wyatt Lewis
>>They fucked up by just not putting an 8 pin on the reference model
You have no fucking idea how this even works
Logan Smith
Better than you.