MFW your children will never have to work a day in their lives because of automation

bgr.com/2015/11/16/robots-replacing-human-jobs/
Within 20 years time, half of all jobs will be automated.
Either the government will pay them a weekly allowance for just existing(which wont happen because thats the commie way of doing things) , or youll be forced to support your children through adulthood by your 401k/Superannuation/investments that will be the only thing would be making money once most jobs are automated. So why even entertain the idea of having kids if youre in your 20s?

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news.stanford.edu/2015/12/09/n3xt-computing-structure-120915/
sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160411152656.htm
sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160629100535.htm
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skilled jobs have a 1% chance of being automated in the next 20 years, whereas retail and such jobs have like a 70+% chance (may be more)

Google the source yourself. The "skilled job" used in the example was an RN

They will tax the robots as if they were people to pay for future autist's neetbux to play vidya

Actually low tier white collar work(that employs a majority of plebs) will be most affected, whilst work that involve movong your hands like mechanics, traidies, will be the last to be automatied, since robotics have been lagging behing cognitive level 1 and 2 AI

fortune.com/2015/02/25/5-jobs-that-robots-already-are-taking/

Theyrr already automating Radiologists


technologyreview.com/s/600706/ibms-automated-radiologist-can-read-images-and-medical-records/

Genuinely terrified to be fucking honest, senpai.
I mean, I'm happy that I fell for the CS meme, but things are gonna be fucked up for a while in the near future.
I can already imagine all the shitflinging that'll result from automating jobs.
On one hand, you'll have the recently laid off who'll protest this shit, and on the other hand, you'll have the bourgeois that can afford to automate their labour.
Small business is gonna go down cause it'll become expensive to maintain, corporations are gonna be more monopolistic without government intervention.
And since labour is cheap, prices will be cheap, and since prices will be cheap, the rest of our wages will go down.
All the while, the companies will try and find ways to milk money out of you, by selling your buying habits, your health data, your social views, etc.
Jesus Christ, I'm scared. Hold me bros.

Or maybe I'm wrong and way off, and that'll be a good thing.

These easy to produce meatbags are going to continue to be the cheapest source of labor. I can't wait for minimum wage to be abolished.

>MFW your children will never have to work a day in their lives because of automation
hahaha
>children
HAHAHA

i really hope you die soon

No, you're only far off because you don't go deep enough into the hole.
The reality is going to be much more extreme.

You're all fucking stupid. You can't automate everything in a few years. This shit will take time and by the time robots can replace neurosurgeons and architects then there will be no more human beings on earth.

You all make the fatal mistake of assuming that machines will never become self aware and fucking kill every human on earth. Fact is we will be competition to machines ones they become self aware and the only solution is complete and total annihilation of your competition.

tl;dr you're all fucked when machines become self aware, they will be your destruction not your slaves.

Even if you keep your job you'll still have to compete with vastly numbers of highly skilled people who've been automated out of other jobs.

Wages are gonna come down hard.

A machine can't become self aware.

Automation won't happen guys chill the fuck down.

Only augmentations will happen, period.

It can and it will. Give it enough intelligence and eventually you'll give it the ability to become self aware and conscious.

There's nothing we can do to stop this. In fact we'll probably accelerate this occurrence for teh lulz. Sooner or later that nao robot is going to show up in your room with a fucking knife and murder you in your sleep.

Real life T1000's when?

baby boomers had it easy,
millennials have it hard, next generation won't have to do shit.

We just got over the massive job loss caused by industrialization and you want to do it again?

I will not have any children. I will probably still have a job in the future, though, because I'm an electronics engineer.

>It can and it will. Give it enough intelligence and eventually you'll give it the ability to become self aware and conscious.
wow you sure sound like you know your shit, you worthless fucking simpleton

Why are people against this wtf
Wat is wrong with the robots taking over the work this is a GOOD thing
Just give everyone basic income from the work that the robots do no more working would be a good world

problem is its not going to be a smooth transition people will most likely starve before a universal income is instated

good. replace the useless fucks by vastly more efficient computers. If you can't contribute intelligent thought you deserve to die

I want all manual laborers to get BTFO'd

we are g,oing to see poverty levels not seen since the Great depression. Get ready, try to get a profession thats difficutl to automate. It will be survival of the fittest. Europe will probably fair better considering socialism is already apart of the social fabric, and there will be UI. The places that will flouirish will be places with alot of raw resources but a small population like Australia.

>I want all manual laborers to get BTFO'd
>FUCK farmers! Good for nothing manual laborers need to GTFO MY earth!
>I'd literally rather starve than have manual labor on earth.
Kill yourself, my dude.

Maybe the transition would indeed be pretty shit but after that it would be amazing

People who currently don't have jobs here also don't starve so it prob won't be that bad

>(which wont happen because thats the commie way of doing things)
Communism would be the common ownership of the means of production. State welfare is capitalism.

Hold your horses user. Are you
>implying
that Americans know the difference?

>Americans
No, they're indoctrinated to love the Free Market™ and hate ebil socialism from day 1.

>Communism would be the common ownership of the means of production.
Also nobody would have anything to fear from automation if they owned the machines (through owning the means of production). Automation is only a problem if you have private class of owners (capitalists).

>There are actually people who think automation will lead to Star Trek communism and not the solidification of the bourgeois and neo-feudalism.

Even if you contribute skilled labor, you'll still be fucked, because:

>The rich will own the means of production
>Corporations will usurp power from governments
>Tech/service monopolies will get worse
>The desperate working class will flood into non-automated job markets (which will themselves be eaten up by ever-increasing automation)

If anything, technology's effect on capitalism in the next 200 years will be to accelerate inequality.

protesting sheeple that can't find fulfillment without "muh job muh contribution to society" incoming

Switzeeland does it already
It's very possible

>Just give everyone basic income
Nobody is going to support that because "muh communism".

wew lad you must not know their worth

yeah good luck with that

we are going to see poverty levels not seen since the Great depression. Get ready, try to get a profession thats difficult to automate. It will be survival of the fittest. Europe will probably fair better considering socialism is already apart of the social fabric. The places that will flouirish will be places with alot of raw resources and a small educated population like Australia, since the state could nationalise resource sector.

AI confirmed

In short, become a dentist

Or programmer or therapist.

in the future people will jus receive like $30k a year to live off without working.

Dentists jobs will probably go once we are able to create precise and nimble actuators for synthetic muscles. Some say graphene and Carbon nanotubes will be needed to make this happen,so within 25 years, I think it would be possible to create robotic arms that will eventually be used in Dental robots. Machine vision+ AI +CNT actuators = Dentists and Doctor robots. Machine vision is going to through a boom, which is why radiology will be automated within 10 years. Dentists have max 30 years left before theyre also automated

>which won't happen because that's the commie way of doing things

Really? Half of Burgers prefer communism over what they have.

Robots won't take over. Not working leads to depression and insanity. I'd rather to something for 10 days than a robot for 10 minutes.

>Really? Half of Burgers prefer communism over what they have.
Where did you hear this?

>Not working leads to depression and insanity
Nobody said you shouldn't do anything. When you don't have to work to live, you can do all the things you've always wanted.

>having children
I'm against dooming people to a nightmarish world.

>Automation
> Humans become new aristocracy
>It's ancient Rome all over again
>Philosophise all day, do drugs and orgies all day until Space Barbarians invade

We decadence now.

The bunch of people that can make and afford robots will monopolize those jobs, and they will concentrate the wealth even more.

People will have less means to perform low paid jobs and crime will rise dramatically. With lots of inactive people out there, I fear the worst for society.

>The government will pay them a weekly allowance for just existing
It won't happen.

The only profession that is unlikely to be automated also happens to be the world's oldest one. I hope I have a slutty daughter with a nice pair of means of production.

I'm looking forward to android sex slaves desu.

Even if they become reality and even if they're physically indistinguishable from the real thing (which is unlikely), there will always be people willing to pay for mental pleasure of fucking actual human.

One kind of job disappears, but working never does. The Luddites thought industrialization would render 50% or more of the population unemployed, but all that happened was a shift in the field of work. Yes, production began to require a lot less people because of factories, but constructing and maintaining factory machines suddenly opened up new fields of expertise and new jobs.

So this Venus project type utopia where machines do 100% of everything will simply never come to pass. Machines still need maintenance and direction.

this desu

>The Luddites thought industrialization would render 50% or more of the population unemployed

It did those people died jobless

not working leads to depression, yah in people who legit just sit around all day and haven't developed a decent hobby.

Only the working class gets butthurt about machines doing work. Who wouldn't want a machine doing work for them? The working class, working is their culture.

But regardless, the newest industries are getting rapidly more complicated and are fragmenting too. It's the stupidly simply stuff like "driving" that gets no love.

i once knew a person who got employed and her job was literally renaming pdfs in a windows environment.

yeah, tons of ""jobs"" are going to get automated in the coming years.

But was it a sustained unemployment society-wide? No. These people died jobless because they were too lazy to learn new qualifications and join the workforce doing something else.

some places literally have laws in effect just to create more jobs, e.g. making it illegal to pump your own gas, making it illegal to park on a street past 5pm, making it illegal to fix your own shit

and besides, many, many jobs are like where work has literally been created. it's called make-work and it doesn't affect productivity.

you're reading the present into the past. not everyone got free loans for education and had comparatively fancy four-year degrees. people lost jobs simply because they weren't needed.

>it can and it will
>it can
>it
Probresito

>give it enough intelligence
Why the fuck would anyone do that, genius?

>making it illegal to pump your own gas
I really hate this shit. I wish they would just pay the guy to be there anyway but make it optional to let him do it or do it myself. That way everybody wins.

Capitalism is built on unlimited growth.

Too much automation will require more and more welfare, which will limit that growth and even negate it.
It has to be kept within a certain percentage to be maintainable.
Some jobs can and do die, but other jobs are usually created as a result.
Doing this too quickly will actually be detrimental as you kill off too many jobs and leave a huge group of people unable to work.

Although, humans as a species are lucky at this present time because we are already beginning space mining missions.
There has been active research in space for platforms and scouting satellites.
Within 50 years, we will start to see the benefits of this space mining at the society level.
100 years in, everything could be automated because we will have the resources for "infinite" growth.
Capitalism, however, will probably die anyway.
lol

You seem to be under the impression that "working class" == blue collar workers only. Anyone who gets paid by selling their time and skills is a prole.

> Sup Forums
> children

>welfare inherently limits/negates growth

Only when it goes beyond a threshold.
READ.

I already know that good welfare creates the strongest economies.
I am in favour of these economies, they don't go beyond their means, they do things properly.
Most Nordic countries barely felt the recession that shit on the rest of major economies.

You are delusional if you think there will be space ining. You are probably one of those people who believed we would have flying cars by now.

Who will throw money at manufacturers if there's no money to be earned? Where's the money going to come from to build and maintain these systems if everyone is broke?

ITT retards don't realize Moore's law is about to end and that a computer works way fucking differently than a human brain.

Most likely not. That would require tax revenue and you can't get blood out of a stone. Therefore the only source of tax revenue in such a dystopia is from megacorps and McMansion Owners. But it would seem that the rich write the laws and thus the tax code. You are probably going to be left to fend for yourself.

Oh please. Most of humanity will continue to be bottom feeders. Most of humanity will be lower than MACHINES. Think about that.
>Sup Forums is a wonderful place
I already know that many people will still "prefer" sex with humans because "it feels better." In extreme circumstances it will be similar to how audiophiles (whom, I might add, are growing rapidly in number) feel about vynl records.

>making it illegal to pump your own gas

On what planet?

Fuckin augs, that calls for segregations

New Jersey in my case.

Well considering they already treat foreign workers like mindless spiritless robots that work really shitty rates, actual robots wouldn't be much different instead of charging them 5 cents an hour itd be their manufacturing and repair costs. It's never been a good idea unless you have really big government which only really seems to work in countries that are well of to begin with like the Emirates they basically have Indian working slave wages

There are multiple billionaire funded companies and a few governments getting behind it.
It will happen. IT IS happening.

>muh moores law
Silicon is on its way out anyway.
There are 3 replacement materials I know of, and a few others I don't know much of that look promising.
Moores law is a fucking worthless metric, stop using that stupid shit. It isn't a law, it was a fun observation that has gotten tiring to see being constantly referred to.

Computers aren't even remotely like brains because they are in-order calculators.
The brain doesn't work like that. It is massively parallel and complex behaviour comes about from said parallel structure.
Complex behaviour is a massive calculation of multiple facets that eventually lead to a "winning" behaviour, which is what ends up being expressed as muscle movements, or whatever else.

Computers won't get to the complexity of brains until we get rid of the concept of single-threadedness.
The brain certainly doesn't operate like that.

Of course, saying the brain is the absolute best a computational device can be is hilarious.
The brain is a horrible construct. It is limited by evolution and environment. It is horribly fucking redundant, and its plasticity is only really an advantage in the wild. Software plasticity is far superior.
We aren't in the wild any more.
We don't have energy limits.
We don't have a billion years of evolution fucking with us.
We don't have 200+ cell types, all of which can fail at random.
Computers CAN go well above and beyond what brains are capable of.
But only if we stop programming computers the way we do now and embrace the competition model.
Only then will we actually be able to make good brain-computers.

Uber has shown that disruptive technologies can survive and defeat government regulations. You think governments want to destroy a major source of their revenue (Taxi Licenses cost half a million here). Governments are now being controlled private sector. Perhaps this was the case 20 years ago, but now governments rarely go against business interests. Americans sealed their future when they destroyed unions.

Automation of the workforce is the obvious result of industrial capitalism. In order to maximize profits, you should ideally reduce costs. The cost of living, however, is not controllable by corporations and corporations are expected to pay their workers an amount that allows said workers to survive according to the cost of living. Automation of the workforce results in a faster and cheaper workforce.

But you will not find many mom and pop shops with automated workforces. At least, not often. By then the big box stores would have utterly wiped out downtown businesses and this thing people call "small business."

It should be noted that we don't have a human population problem. We aren't overpopulated. The issue with human population is distributing food, water and services. The only reason that we have a distribution problem is the fact that ending world hunger would not be profitable. Just in the same sense that avoiding automation would not be profitable. Similar to how millions of tonnes of ""excess"" food rot each week, many bottom-feeding humans will rot in an automated society.

But the question that I ask myself is whether or not Capitalism will survive long enough to achieve total automation of the workforce. The fact is, this economic system is built off the assumption that there are unlimited resources. But we live on a planet with finite resources and here we are throwing phones into the dump with gold, copper, and plastic components. The amount of arable land is decreasing too with increased droughts and with water levels rising.

Oh. Well, New York has at least one thing right.

Just tax the robots.

>Computers won't get to the complexity of brains
They don't need to. We won't need complex AI that are as wise as Socrates. The workforce will take ones that are designed for simple tasks and that will be enough.

Silicon will be replaced by Graphene/CNT 3D integrated chips in the longterm, which will promise 1000x improvements.

news.stanford.edu/2015/12/09/n3xt-computing-structure-120915/

In the short term, we will exploring other substrates like Germanium. Silicon will becpme obsolete, just like vaccuum tubes.

Exactly.
People think we need super deep learning and absolute 1:1 simulation of a human.

We don't _need_ it, it would be neat, but we can massively improve on discrete regions of the brain, such as image recognition, pattern matching and such.
Hell, there was a group just there that created a neat algorithm to look for "poverty" signs through map data. It managed to find things even they never knew about.

Most things our brains do are simply not needed for a purely computational device.
Our brains have a shitload of in-built limits, energy limits, size limits, and oversight of bodily functions a computer won't have.
Eliminating that can shrink a human brains pure computational power to well under half its size, if not further.
Most of it simply isn't needed.
We are only just beginning to figure out how efficient evolution has been at shrinking brains in to small sizes, like recently when we scanned some bird and insect brains that exhibit complex behaviours.
The density of their brains is far far higher than the average brain. (and most of that is still unneeded because it is speedy pattern recognition for high-speed flight)

Honestly, if anyone wants a career to get in to, get in to dat fucking AI field.
AI is going to explode in the coming decades.
Mechatronics as well. (love that word)
All these automation fields will require a workforce, may as well get in early, even if it means having a slightly shitty job for a few years until it grows.

There was another one I remember reading about recently.

Oh, platinum and tin.
I guess we will save that one for when we have a stable space mining society.

sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160411152656.htm

Also, this neat as fuck shit was just found recently as well.
sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160629100535.htm
We had known of this for electrical conduction, but now we have a magnetic form.

New Jersey, probably more states in the north

If the government cant even close Tax havens and Tax evading schemes which has meant most major companies dont pay their fair share of Tax, how do you think they can impose a new Tax on companies that use automation?

I personally can't see how it won't become a living wage system.

Corporations will run out of ways to squeeze money out of the (previously) working masses. If anything, I bet most companies and corps are salivating at the mouth at the idea of consumers having unlimited time and all their funds going into expenses with 0 reason to invest/save.


That's just me though. I just think a capitalist society would see little profit in completely hanging the lower class out to dry. Why not drip feed them money and turn them into perpetual spenders ala Brave New World

Huxley was ahead of his time.

So what happens when all the wage slaves are automated out of a job and are suddenly unable to purchase things?

All those super efficient super automated companies suddenly have zero fucking sales and go bankrupt.

Nice going.

With the current capitalist system, it is clear that it's leading us into a brick wall at high velocity. We need a more sensible approach to the economy and get out of this consumption treadmill and ever higher GDP for we have finite resources:

- space mining isn't happening any time soon and thus post-scarcity is a long, long way off if ever
- the issue of climate change is now getting ever more pressing
- huge migrations of people are already happening
- all the chinks and poos and south east asians and africans want to pollute as much as the westerners did

Things could get ugly really quick.

Basically we need to cooperate and stabilize societies around the world to be more sustainable instead of declaring war and invading countries like Dubya did. But that's not economically profitable in the short-term :)

>So why even entertain the idea of having kids if youre in your 20s?
Because the white race must continue.

too bad white women prefer black cock

Meh, i dont think the think the thord world will ever pollute as much as industrialised western nations, purely on the fact that we dont have much cheap fossil fuels left and renewable technologies like Solar are becoming very competitive when compared to coal. Not to mention many are predicting that many of these densely populatied developing countries will deindustrialise as a result of Automation which will bring the production of goods and factories closer to the main market aka the west and east Asia.

Basically there would be another French revolution

Current tech could probably outwork all of them.
He has a point.

>muh dick
Stay stupid nigger.

NEET life is the way of the future.
Why aren't you ahead of the curve, Sup Forums?

My job could technically be automated to a certain extent (skilled trade, it really doesn't matter which one its applicable for all), but every machine would still need an operator present for a variety of reasons mostly related to safety. I actually welcome it as much as possible for this very reason, I'll just get paid more to do less, with increased production being the payoff for the company.

I still don't think total automation will be feasible for a variety of skilled trades for an extremely long time.

>never have to work
>never get to work
FTFY. Poverty and welfare because the fucking robots are serving at McDonalds and writing the software and doing all other manner of shit doesn't sound like good news to me, OP.

He probably lives in a liberal place.
We can get polarized here like anywhere else user.

Haha