Let's talk self driving cars.
What's going to happen?
>taxists will purposedly crash them
>people in the ghettos will throw stones at them
>they'll fail in any sort of street with potholes and unmarked speed bumps
>they'll stop at harmless objects in roads like bags and cardboard boxes
>they won't be able to interact with pedestrians, won't be able to understand human body language
It's another stupid fad from these completely detached from reality rich kids in the valley
>2016
>needing a car
Why are you being so negative? Are you a taxist?
>driverless "car"
Literally a cuckmobile
Self driving cars will be the best thing to ever happen to us
The schadenfreude as self driving cars only laws are passed and manual drivers fail to cling on to their last outdated shitmobile will be great.
>Having a car
>Being a slave to the petroleum jew like a good shabbos goy
NEET detected. Your parents resent you. Move out before you turn 20.
>being a slave to the goodwill of your government and public transportation
>no freedom to go wherever you want to
Having a car is the true redpill
Let's talk horseless carriages
What's going to happen?
>teamsters will purposedly crash them
>people in the ghettos will throw stones at them
>they'll fail on any sort of road without petrol stores
>they'll never be able to stop at obstacles in roads like ox carts
>they won't be able to interact with pedestrians, won't be able to understand human body language
It's another stupid fad from these completely detached from reality rich kids in the valley
>living in a country where public transportation is absolute shit
I can't even imagine how kind of shithole that would be.
I'm 22
>Implying there is anywhere I can't go via a bus or train or subway or transit system like I could with a car
>Implying I couldn't just take a plane also if it was faster.
I live in yurop, lots of public transportation. Not driving your own car is subscribing to slavery.
all of those problems can be fixed.
cameras would record a taxi driver crashing it on purpose or monkeys throwing stones at it.
you're pretending like the car has to run on some retard program that can't disinguish between a plastic bag and a solid obstacle, drive around real obstacles and understand gestures. it won't. we could've build a retard car like that 10 years ago. they're a lot "smarter" now.
the biggest problem will be public acceptance. if 1 in 10 human drivers will drive over a baby, nobody cares. if 1 in 1000000 self driving cars does, people will fucking riot.
Not him but owning a car in a city is pure slavery. Bikes are freedom
Are you sure about that? You don't spend money on insurance, gas or repairs and the time you spend travelling can be used to read. Also, sometimes public transportation is faster.
I'm so sorry you live in an eastern european nation that forces you to be a slave to saudi arabia
This is true cuckness
>buying oil from the greatest companies ever, capitalistic icons like exxon and shell
>slavery
Look at this retard. I'm going to drive in my car with AC and whatever music I want on full blast without people annoying me, while you can sweat your ass off in public transport with weird people pushing into you all the time.
Says the user getting cucked hard by the saudis. Better fill that tank, the prince needs to pay for a new golf course.
How so? Cars are for poor people who can't afford living in a good location
>he still thinks oil comes from the middle east
What is this, 2003? In the US you have either US oil or Canadian, in Europe everything comes from Russia. Only chinese cucks buy their oil from middle eastern shitholes like SA and Iran.
Public transportation has AC, idiot.
And guess where they get all the oil from cuckboy? Could be worse, noseberg insurance could increase their rates again.
>taxists will purposely crash them
theres cameras on the SDCs(self-driving car) so the taxists will be caught
>people in the ghettos will throw stones at them
see above
>they'll fail in any sort of street with potholes and unmarked speed bumps
You're really underestimating the power of machine vision. If our current vision tech isn't up to par it will be very soon.
>they'll stop at harmless objects in roads like bags and cardboard boxes
Again you're doubting machine vision. KDD will allow the cars to be taught what is a threat and what can be run over.
>they won't be able to interact with pedestrians, won't be able to understand human body language
We already have robots that can guess emotions pretty well so training a machine to recognize when a person will dart out would be easy in comparison.
The technology is already present it just needs to be adapted and refined for use in SDCs. In the end it will be much safer than having humans driving. The machine can't be distracted by it's cell phone or it's bad day at work. The machine would have a faster reaction time than any human. If the cars would share a neural net and pool their data every car would have hundreds of years more experience than a human driver. Honestly, if you don't support the singularity event you're a little fag. Life is finite, earth is finite, the human race is finite. So why not have a more intelligent being take over and discover all the things we never will. To exist until the end of the universe. That would be truly amazing. Not the narciisitic idea that AI shouldn't be created. The idea that humans are special and important.
You act like oil from Russia is any better. And SA still exports a ton of oil.
>They will only be used in big cities as taxis
>Only "Hybrid" AI cars will be allowed in streets outside big cities.
They export to Chayyyna because they are the only ones stupid enough to still buy their shit. Russian oil is great.
Wherever humans live, we have cars and oil. Cars are part of civilization. If you are an adult and don't have access to a car, you aren't even considered civilized. It's like not having a toilet.
India would like to have a word with you.
>Cars are a necessity
> have to go somewhere 200 miles away
> train takes 4 hours
> bus takes 5 hours
> driving takes 3 hours
>cars get designed for roads in California
>people try to use them in areas where we get snow
>a million unaccounted factors come into play
>cars don't know to avoid roads that become sheets of ice in the winter
>cars can't predict black ice at upcoming intersections that they need to turn at
>government tries to tell people they can't snow chain their tires because bad for roads, enforce it heavily on self driving cars because public ownership
>self driving cars become incredibly dangerous in bad winter weather
>never have self-driving cars in Canada
>Let's talk self driving cars.
>What's going to happen?
>>taxists will purposedly crash them
Yeah not like they have cameras and sensors everywhere, better ram my taxi on it I'm sure the insurance will pay
How much of a loser you have to be to argue over a matter like public vs private transportation by calling the other front "poor" or "slave".
I live both in a medium city in the center and in a little town, in the first I don't even need a bycicle and always move by train and in the latter I always use my car. I like public transportation when it works and I know it's just better overall, I like my car and I like driving a lot, when i'm with it I use it as much as I can.
I like petrol engines and how they work but I understand electric engines are just better and they could be even funnier, I hope in the future there will be mostly auto driven cars and for those who like it there will be the possibility to drive.
Life is different from what your apps say, I don't know why but I connect this idea of "smart world where everything works one way" to rich kids in cities. But the world is not like that.
Cars will always have a place like drivers do.
Luckily I don't live in the middle of fucking nowhere. I don't need to travel 200 miles.
>train taking longer than driving
kek, your trains only do 120km/h?
fucking africa tier
The the world doesn't need you. Try being someone
>spray that camera thing on top
>car is useless
Self-driving is a good thing but manual control should remain an option.
Where do you think you are?
Right
if you aren't traveling from a major city to another major city there isn't an express train. So it's making stops every 10-15 miles.
What are you retarded? Roads are public transportation.
>Roads are public transportation
This triggers lolbertarians hard
honestly cars are going the way of the dodo
it's fully autonomous personal mini airplanes
some MIT kids already solved that problem by using RADAR.
That is a mission of mine. Libertarians have gone full retard.
If you live in the US, you need a car. Eurofags don't have any concept of how massive the country is.
Driverless cars are the cars that literally no one will buy.
Only taxi companies and delivery companies are interested in a driver-less vehicle of any kind. Even if you really really wanted to buy one, what would be the point of having the entire cost of ownership on your shoulders when you could simply pay per trip to the hundreds of taxi companies that will now crop up.
So the only cars that people will buy are the ones that can be manually controlled all the rest will be sold in bulk for company fleets. So this will become a conundrum of sorts, in theory self driving cars would be good in terms of safety but as we see per google example, these companies are not willing to allow any type of control to the passanger, and people aren't willing to let go out and buy one where they have no total control of their car because that basically cuts off their ability to go anywhere they want to go.
This. Car subsidization forced mostly private rail transit into the grubby mitts of government. Good job cagers.
Stop listening to the jews who want to enslave you with debt, car loans, repairs, gas, etc. Cars are a luxury, not a necessity.
You can apply absolutely every one of your points to manual cars. Delete this nonsense and save yourself some dignity.
>tfw taking a nap in your car while it drives you to work
>tfw getting laid while your car scuttles you about
>tfw you turn your car into a mobile theater
>tfw virtually no more fatal accidents
>tfw no more finding parking spaces
>tfw no more being stuck in traffic
the only only people who don't want self driving vehicles are manchildren or live in the middle of no where
It also stole all of our public spaces and turned them into subsidized transit systems. We can't even gather in public without it being criminal, because we're "blocking traffic."
So fucking hyped
>debt, car loans, repairs, gas
>used car
>used car
>do your own repairs
>don't buy a shitheap that has 5mpg
Fixed
No you can't. If you live in middle of fucking no where, there are no taxi services at all, and zero public transportation, you will need to use a gallon of gas to get a gallon of milk. Driverless cars solves the problem of rural transportation to the ones who cannot afford it in a way that you can't with manual control cars and no taxi service company that requires a driver would ever serve such an area because it would cost more money than what they could make.
If you live in the city with good transportation the matter of car ownership was already side stepped a long time ago, this only kills that need to ever own a car, but between those two scenarios you got massive urban sprawls to be covered and those are THE market for car manufacturers, those are the people who have kept these companies in business, and they wouldn't be served well by buying a self driving car yet they may not want a fully manual control car either, a hybrid car with both self driving features and full manual control would have to be developed if they want to continue selling cars, but that brings up the problem of control.
Self driving capability designers/programmers may not want to allow manual control for legal/liability purposes or because of muh design.
Drivers may not be willing to shell out $20000 for a device they absolutely cannot control.
i really want this, but at the same time I don't
when self-driving cars are finally able to be implemented with no cause for concern, it is going to be a glorious day. thing is, who knows how much trial and error it will take to get to that point?
>winter driving
>high traffic situations
>detours or sudden environment changes
i doubt that the technology is ready for this yet, driving is a totally unpredictable experience.
have you counted how many times people pull out in front of you on a single drive?
It's easy, just kill all the niggers and shquips.
Did you not read the OP? All those things you list sound very nice, they're just not realistic.
>India
>civilized
Nice try pajeet
what if your car gets hacked and locks your doors and drive down a cliff/a river?
data so far indicates that it's the human drivers that error in these situations far more often to the point it's absurd
you have to consider that fully autonomous vehicles can move much slower and safely and when they are the only vehicle on the road, traffic control is no longer needed which would improve traffic efficiency by astronomical quantities
>le magical haxor maymay
What if your laptop gets hacked and it explodes in your face
Serbs out
The machine learning technology for self driving cars is no where near ready for being on the street. The Google self driving cars have been in many accidents, some caused by the self driving car. They have killed dogs, its only a matter of time before they kill a small child who runs out in the street. Self driving cars are being implemented only because people want to see it happen, not because technology is proven.
Then i die
>you will need to use a gallon of gas to get a gallon of milk.
A gallon of gas is what.... half an hour of driving? An hour with diesel?
That isn't rural. Thats living in complete isolation.
>Drivers may not be willing to shell out $20000 for a device they absolutely cannot control.
Those words are worth nothing.
If the vehicle is limited to proper marked roads, a lot people could still want it.
But if the vehicle can't drive dirtroad shortcuts without road marking(lots of rural side roads), then its useless in a lot of scenarios.
Remember: Car driving itself is literally whatever.
Car being unable to go where you want it to, is far worse.
The world isn't perfect but fully autonomous vehicles are objectively superior. Nothing more needs be said.
Fully autonomous vehicle may someday kill somebody meanwhile humans are killing the fuck out of everyone
>Drivers may not be willing to shell out $20000 for a device they absolutely cannot control.
Vehicles will never ever be fully autonomous without complete manual override in this country. This is a non-issue.
That being said, once the ridiculously improved safety that comes with computer controlled vehicles is proven to insurance companies, you may be paying hundreds of dollars a month for "human driver insurance."
>That being said, once the ridiculously improved safety that comes with computer controlled vehicles is proven to insurance companies,
youre memeing something thats not true, the number of accidents of self driving cars on public roads is not lot higher than the average for humans
Taxis are more expensive than owning a car and same will be for self driving cars, my insurance is $50 and my car was only $1500 and I've put over 30,000 miles no repairs.
>the number of accidents of self driving cars on public roads is not lot higher than the average for humans
Source your retarded statements.
>you have to consider that fully autonomous vehicles can move much slower and safely and when they are the only vehicle on the road
precisely, and i totally agree. the problem is the process that gets us there.
it will be great though
>jacking it while the car drives itself to your workplace
>>That being said, once the ridiculously improved safety that comes with computer controlled vehicles is proven to insurance companies,
>youre memeing something thats not true, the number of accidents of self driving cars on public roads is not lot higher than the average for humans
theguardian.com
But they're not available or fully developed yet.
>the guardian
>a single accident
>not a valid source
Can you do what I asked you to do or are you incapable?
yeah the process isn't very interesting tho and very sterile. they definitely test the fuck outta these things before you can buy them
Not him, but compare number of crashes per mile driven, don't take single events without context.
they are being put to test in mountain view. they are not ready but they're already superior
read the article, it was not just one accident, and even if it was that is too high compared to the average human who drives 100,000 miles
>The schadenfreude as self driving cars only laws are passed and manual drivers fail to cling on to their last outdated shitmobile will be great.
I want to see this, it will be glorious.
and not a single fuck was given that day
if it were a human there'd be multiple fatalities
>A gallon of gas is what.... half an hour of driving? >An hour with diesel?
>That isn't rural. Thats living in complete isolation.
"using a gallon of gas to get a gallon of milk"
Is an expression used in urban planning to mean its too fucking far to walk you have to use a car. It is not literal in most cases, although if you live 20 miles from a grocery store, it could be literal.
>Those words are worth nothing.
>If the vehicle is limited to proper marked roads, a lot people could still want it.
You are over estimating the very costly adoption of a technology by the government, the scenario of "properly marked roads" is not likely to come before wide adoption of the fully automatic car, and that adoption won't happen without the infrastructure either, good luck with voting politicians in who say they're going to raise taxes in order to adopt fully automatic vehicles, more likely scenario is they would actually tax self driving cars more than manual cars because politics.
>Vehicles will never ever be fully autonomous without complete manual override in this country. This is a non-issue.
The google car has no steering wheel, no controllable brakes, all you got is a kill switch, you can't claim that it is a non issue when they literally taken the steering wheel out of the car.
Hate to be that guy, but you should seriously lurk moar and get your sources and numbers right
>The crash – the first caused by a self-driving car
Stopped reading here.
asirt.org
>Nearly 1.3 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day.
Tell me again how self driving cars are as dangerous as human driven cars.
Banks are more expensive than Payday loan operators, but people still keep payday loan houses in business, if you can't afford the ownership of a car because you're poor, taxis will be your only choice in the middle of no where even if they are costly.
If this is true, then the first thing this tech should be applied to is trucking in the north. The only reason shit is so expensive up there is because of how dangerous it is to get things there, or how expensive it is to fly it there. If that's been solved, then you could lower costs dramatically and make a fuckton of money doing it.
learn to do math, 1.3 million out of 7 billion, compare that to the number of driverless cars that exist and the number of accidents theyve been in
Autocar porn when?
>all 7 billion people on earth have a car
stopped reading here.
A lot of people have more than one car
People will try to drive them on twisty roads and there will be a lot of deaths. Look at the smoking tire video when they drive the tesla. The car can't deal with sharp corners.
fully autonomous vehicles log many hours
they can drive 24/7
>some people having more than one car adds up to 7 billion cars on the road as often as self driving cars
do you even attempt to think about what you say before you say it?
>It's another stupid fad from these completely detached from reality rich kids in the valley
Uber is already testing self driving cars in Pittsburgh with actual customers. Drivers are behind th wheel as a safety measure and only intervene minimally
i imagine the situations that are harder to solve would remain human dominated as the mainstream adopts and refines it then gradually gets replaced. you know, like virtually every piece of technology ever invented
>Drivers are behind th wheel as a safety measure and only intervene minimally
If i was one of those drivers i would get really sleepy and stop paying attention.
Uber is illegal in muh country.
Except that cars are different, there are implications if the one who is supposed to intervene isn't ready to do so and no one will subject themselves to be with their eyes on the road if the car will drive itself.
And if we get to the point where such cars are ubiquitous, then the human behind it may not even know how to operate a car manually because he never ever had to.
nothing but FUD here. driver assisting technology is already widespread. self driving cars are already on the road. the auto industry is already testing the fuck out of these things. it literally already works precisely as i'm telling you. this isn't an argument, it's an observation.