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Please. Contain your shitposting and help people for once, guys. Don't reply to bait.
Carter Miller
Can two people connect to a public Mumble server and have a private conversation?
Brandon Reed
>Are you running wayland, Sup Forums? Not sure, Sup Forums, there's virtually nothing but GNOME 3.20 that can run in Wayland. I want i3 Wayland Edition or something.
What's KDE's status on Wayland anyway?
Asher Rogers
>those shoes >those pants >that smile He was pretty sexy for an autist
Nicholas Rodriguez
never wayland sucks
Kayden Miller
Is that a shopped image or is that actually him? I can't tell.
Nathaniel Richardson
He's not that skinny
Adam Reed
So I need a Linux Distro that's easy to use, and riceable/customizable. Someone pick one for me.
Hunter Gray
Please avoid using the term “photoshop” as a verb, meaning any kind of photo manipulation or image editing in general. Photoshop is just the name of one particular image editing program, which should be avoided since it is proprietary. There are plenty of free programs for editing images, such as the GIMP.
Jose Butler
But he looks younger there, and I've seen pictures of him when he was younger and he was skinny.
Sorry, Mr. Stallman
Levi Ramirez
Arch Linux
>inb4 Arch isn't easy Yes it is
Brandon Cooper
Some options for ya.
>The >One >I >Am >Using
:)
Wrong. it's the one I'm using. Get your answer right, newfriend
Anthony Hughes
How the fuck do I choose a distro?
Aiden Wood
Valid point
Jaxson Adams
You use the one I am using. Very simple.
Blake Jackson
Every distro is riceable, there is no such thing like a distro for ricing.
Xavier Johnson
Is Ubuntu GNOME a good choice? Or should I get something else >don't say *too or arch
Xavier Roberts
I already answered. It's the one I'm using.
Isaac Torres
Why not arch? Serious question?
Blake Robinson
What's so bad about gentoo/funtoo and arch?
Zachary Brooks
you don't
install gentoo
Joshua Garcia
Why not the one I'm using? Serious question.
Dominic Fisher
I gave it a spin with GNOME 3.20 and it was beautiful just for the fact that resizing windows was so smooth and there was no tearing or graphical glitches.
Openbox-like compositor for Wayland, when?!
Colton Butler
I just tried Linux-Libre, everything works like a charm, except for the WIFI. Seems there isn't the right module or something. Do I need to go back to vanilla Linux or is there a way to get my WIFI working?
Grayson Butler
This isn't as funny or witty as you think it is.
Robert Rodriguez
>starting a new thread before the previous one isn't even at the bump limit
Bentley Rivera
What's so bad about the one I'm using? Install the one I'm using.
Daniel Phillips
No need for another bait thread. kys
Benjamin Edwards
who /the one I'm using/ here
Landon Baker
Only because you're not using the one I'm using.
Robert Morris
It's funny the first time, but now it's just getting old. You can stop now.
Jack Evans
I don't want Gentoo or Arch because i'm not that good at using GNU/Linux yet and wanna just take a spin and see if I can fully switch from Botnetdows.
Lincoln Robinson
The one I'm using master race.
Gabriel Nelson
I'll take a repeated joke over distro wars any day of the year
Logan Torres
You don't need to be good at Linux to use Arch, just download Antergos and use sudo pacman -s instead of sudo apt-get install
Eli Ortiz
Wayland isn't shit per se. Its rendering model is fine, yes, you loose 'Network transparency' but true Network transparency isn't relevant and didn't exist for a long time anyway, what matter sis whether or not you can do it over the network. Which you can.
What otherwise makes it shit is that in true Freedesktop fashion they once again managed to think in 'use cases' rather than simply providing something that is low level and generic enough to be used as a building block to implement whatever you want more or less, like what X11 has done. xdg-shell, which is a gimped aequivalent of EWMH actually requires the server to implement it in Wayland as some protocol extension whereas EWMH is just built upon the tools X11 provides. The Wayland core protocol by design is gimped as fuck and can't deliver more than powering a facebook machine, you have your windows which have applications in it, that's fucking it, any 'special windows' like toolbars or popups or application launchers can't be implemented in terms of it, which X11 does just fine.
The most infuriating b.s. is that they phrase gimping shit as 'security'. Wayland did not implement the same thing more securely, it just omitted functionality. It's 'more secure' in the same way that a computer which has no internet is 'more secure' than a computer with Telnet rather than what SSH does which is implementing the same functionality in a more secure manner, they just omitted it.
The end result is that in Wayland at the moment you're forced to use a 'desktop environment' and the philosophy of using a lot of standalone tools like a standalone window manager, combine it with a standalone compositing manager, a standalone hotkey daemon and what-not is dead, because Wayland omits the protocols necessary for those things to communicate with each other so they become internal properties of the compositor and therefore not portable.
(cont.)
Asher Sullivan
>the first time >It's the first time you've seen "the one I'm using"
Your new is showing. It's the default response to avoid shitposting over which distro best distro.
William James
Also, if something breaks in Arch, is it easier to fix then if something breaks in Gentoo? Or is it more controlled?
James Lewis
>(cont.) stop
Benjamin Cook
The idea that people have about a "beginner distro" is really kind of silly. There's no such thing honestly.
Jose Morgan
And yes, Sway on Wayland is a desktop environment, it comes with its own hotkey daemon, screenshot tool, toolbar and what not and you cannot exchange these things for standalone tools that provide similar functionality but in a way you like more, itś a locked down fucking prison which is a shame because as said, the rendering model is a lot more sane in this day and age.
And if they didn't think of your use case then you are completely out of luck.
It's garbage befitting of Freedesktop like the usual garbage that Freedesktop tends to generate.
And you know what the most hilarious part is, this is from Freedesktop's own mission statement:
>Users should have a maximum amount of choice in selecting the applications they wish to run. Users should not be limited to a certain subset of applications; ideally, even the components of the desktop environment (window manager, panel, file manager, etc.) would be interchangeable.
Lofty ideals, and maybe they believed that when they first started, but all their members have not believed that in a long time, especially fucking GNOME who glories in it and revels in it with William Jon McCann oozing litres of vaginal fluids at the mere thought of having another way to further limit what users can control about their own system.
Christian Evans
Is Antergos better than Manjaro?
Aaron Collins
STOP
Jeremiah Jones
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
Leo Moore
Antergos is a installer that rebrands Arch, Manjaro is a distro on its own, based on Arch.
Alexander Richardson
the one I'm using is better
Anthony Williams
Oh, okay. Well I guess i'll go with Antergos for now then.
Michael Gomez
Don't use antegros. If you want an installer for arch just use arch-anywhere.
Isaiah Nelson
Quads confirmed.
Juan Cooper
Antergos is closer to Arch than Manjaro and is more bleeding edge, can't say which is better or worse.
Leo Wood
There is such a thing, honestly. It's the reason people with common sense and a basic grasp on how the majority of newbies coming from Windows recommend distros such as Ubuntu flavors, openSUSE, Fedora, Manjaro, or (if you don't mind stepping up a notch in tinkering) Debian. That's why people with common sense don't direct newbies to Arch or Gentoo.
Please, don't get meme'd.
Noah Murphy
please die but checked
Andrew Butler
Alright then
Carter Hughes
>Antergos broken arch installer >Manjaro broken arch fork >the one I'm using The best. Just the best
Juan Turner
*on how the majority of newbies coming from Windows think
And yes, you might try Arch and it might be awesome for you and you might love it, but at the very least, if you don't like it, don't let that sour your impression of Linux in general.
That's all I wanted to say
Brayden Rogers
Anyone?
David Richardson
Seriously. Installing Arch takes 10 minutes by running 10 commands. Even a beginner can copy paste those commands blindly, which was proven a million times in these threads. That said, Arch is a meme. Devs don't care about the users, the Arch way is a meme, kernel comes with all modules enabled, repos are bloated. People think it's 1337 to run Arch because it has no installer, that's why it's so popular. There is no good reason to use Arch. Install Gentoo.
Isaiah Young
>People evangelize Arch, a distribution that is completely anti-user, and which is basically a dictatorship on the whims of the devs, giving no choice and extra bloat. >People advertise memes about Arch being lighter, more customizable, more minimal, modular
Please don't do this. If you're gonna advertise Arch, at least be honest.
Jaxson Myers
So I updated my Debian install today. And now I have a gray transparent band of about an inch width in the left side of screen running all the way from top to bottom, like an overlay over desktop. At first I thought Compton fucked up and killed it. Nope. What's happening?
Also screenshot is worthless because screenshot doesn't show the overlay. I don't have a camera or phone atm. I am pretty sure my screen is not defective because grub menu is just fine. No overlays there. I am sure that the problem lies within my DE which is xfce or something.
Pls halp.
Lincoln Parker
NO STOP FULL STOP
LET'S NOT GO DOWN THIS ROAD AGAIN FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME.
Cameron Evans
Honestly if someone doesn't want to put in the effort to learn about their distro, and they're looking for something like Ubuntu or mint because it just werks then they really shouldn't be looking at Linux at all.
Just my opinion. I don't mean to offend any newcomers here.
Christopher Phillips
xfce is a DE which is notorious for bugs I don't use it so I can help you, but I hope someone else chimes in. Good luck user
Easton Howard
>Mint At least the lesser evil: Ubuntu. Mint is literally a hacked together pile of shit.
Kevin Morgan
>bloated repos
Josiah Wood
*can't, sorry
Well, that's alright that that's your opinion. I just happen to think it's harmful to the growth of the Linux community in general if we're so close minded and construct this high bar for entrance
OP here. I just need a intermediate distribution that can be dual bootable with Windows 10. Please.
Blake Peterson
the one I'm using
John Kelly
>intermediate distro What is that? What do you mean?
Colton Baker
Every distro that I know of can be dualbooted with Windows 10.
You haven't stated what you're gonna use it for, but I asume just regular home desktop use.
If you're a pragmatic user, Ubuntu is a good choice if you just want it to work without learning much. Any flavor you prefer (GNOME) is one.
If you care about the philosophy behind distros, then Ubuntu is not a god choice. Better to go upstream, and use Debian instead. It's not hard to use, plenty of documentation, and it's a pretty solid distro with three branches: Stable, Testing, and Sid. If you decide to use Debian, know that it might take just a tad more legwork and learning than in Ubuntu, but it might be worth it if you care about the ideological side of things. If you go down that road, know that the best way is to burn a netinstall ISO (with non-free firmware included if you want convenience during install) to a USB, boot from it. During install it even asks you what DE you want (default is GNOME, uncheck "Debian DE" if you don't want GNOME). When install is done, you will have Stable. Now move to Testing branch once it is installed (if it's for desktop use). And there ya go.
But again: this is only worth doing if you care about the philosophical/ideological side of things. If you don't give a flying fuck, then maybe you can save yourself the hassle by using Ubuntu GNOME.
Luke Thompson
*Any flavor you prefer (Ubuntu GNOME is one, they just change the default DE) *If you care about the philosophy, then Ubuntu is not a good choice
Sorry, typos are going crazy today for me
Brody Peterson
Alright, thanks. Yes, desktop use. I just want to get into Linux and see if after I can switch from Windows 10.
Dylan Evans
Also with Ubuntu, should I get the LTS or the regular version?
Photoshop, Sony Movie Studio Platinum (it's like Sony Vegas but a bit less complicated), general Windows software.
Noah Edwards
That's up to you. LTS is if you don't want to reinstall it until much later down the line. Regular version is if you don't mind updating your whole OS to a new version every year or so.
Kevin Ortiz
READ. ABOVE. It gets irritating to answer the same questions every single thread, multiple times.
>Did you fell >Make the test Basic english, familia. You don't conjugate a double past tense. It's "Did you fall". And you *do* a test, you don't *make* it, unless you're actually writing the questions. Also, use quotation marks for phrases inside a sentence.
Anthony Lopez
I used mint and i would like to use something different now. But something as light as mint.
That's good. And I agree, the title the guy you quoted it from put on it is misleading.
I feel that that mail in particular should be publicized, not for generating bad press for Arch, but for generating HONEST press about Arch. I absolutely hate people who don't know what the hell they're talking about recommending a distro based on memes and hearsay. If you're gonna recommend a distro, then recommend it based on what it actually is and how it is actually developed.
If Arch devs make these decisions and pave the way for Arch development this way, then that's a-okay. And it's important to make it clear how they plan to run things, so that people can decide whether they wanna use it or not based on that.
If you feel that's fine, then power to you.
But what is not good is for that information to be hidden away and for people to not realize how the distro actually works and how it's ran and managed.
Jordan Hall
I just like bleeding edge, is there any other distro that does it better than Arch
Jonathan Sullivan
(cont'd) Thus the importance of variety of philosophies in the Linux world. If you like how the Arch devs handle things, awesome. If you prefer how Debian devs handle things, then that's awesome too. The cool thing is that you can actually pick and choose from the vast number of projects to see whose ideology you agree with the most.
Isaiah Sanchez
Nice.
Parker Russell
DEFINE BETTER PLEASE STOP USING AMBIGUOUS TERMS SUCH AS "EASY" "INTERMEDIATE" "BETTER". Define what you mean.
