How bad it is for germanfags to pirate?

How bad it is for germanfags to pirate?

It hurts really really bad

not bad just torrent with vpn

i heard they kill your entire family :o

*unsheathes log-shaped keyboard*

But what will law to for it ?, i heard that you can not enter country with kali linuks on.?

It's so bad, even rapefugees regret it.

I once forgot to turn on my VPN and got fined 1400€

Deutsche Schwuchtel reportiert ein.
[spoiler] germanfag reporting in [/spoiler]

I torrented a movie half a year ago. It was a german movie which made it worse, since they Monitor traffic for german productions more so than for international films.
I got a fine of around 1000€.

I was so fucking mad.

The anti-piracy companies are notoriously aggressive: the major one is based in Germany.

They send out nastygrams by the thousand.

Use a VPN or seedbox.

With seedboxes, why would it be hard to pirate anymore??

>I got a fine of around 1000€.
That sort of law is unfair. The fine should be equal to the price of the movie.

>2005 + sqrt(121)
>being poor

been downloading multiple TB per month for the past few years, across multiple ISPs. 0 fucks given

just stay away from german media, every single time I've heard of somebody getting busted it was for something that runs on german television or in german cinemas or whatever

This. They would get in touch with your vpn/seedbox provider and the contact you.

>>>/krautchan/

This is where your choice of seedbox provider helps, helps to pick one with no logs.

They are required by law to keep logs. All of them do, even if they advertise differently.

>all countries have the exact same laws

>required by law
Show me the law in the USA that requires them to keep logs
>even if they advertise differently.
If they do differently than advertised they are breaking the law you claim they follow to begin with.

>seedbox provider in US
doing it wrong

try panama

I got fined 1800€ for 3 episodes of SoA a few years ago. My lawyer got it down to 900. Now I just use a video downloader to save streams.

Who said anything about a seedbox provider in the US?

The law is called "Know your customer". It applies in US and Europe, but also in other countries in other shapes or forms

You asked about US law and how it affects your seedbox provider

that implies the seedbox provider is US-based, otherwise they would not have to abide by US laws

Know your customer, as far as I can find in a 30 second google search, only applies to financial institutions like banks and credit providers. Got any specifics that says it applies to service providers of all sorts?

Well yes, I am still waiting for someone to point me to a specific law that applies to VPNs/Seedbox providers.

Agreed, appears to refer exclusively to financial sector.

Same, got to pay 800€ to one of Warner Bros. German lawfirms.
Twice.

No problem if you avoid shitty torrents and get your shit trough warez.

>The fine should be equal to the price of the movie.
Which it would be, if you were only downloading, but since he was torrenting, he was at the same time re-distributing the files to other users, and subsequently got fined for an amount the law felt reasonable for someone who himself distributes copyrighted material.

If you just 'download', the amount of money involved is the price of a Bluray or w/e, so not even worth going after for law-firms.

Just use DDL/filehosters fag

>Implying you don't need to go through financial institutions to pay for a seedbox.

this. PIA here.
not true
full story?

they seem to fine you for effort on behalf of the lawyers required to catch you, you can go to court and get it lowered to something less absurd like a few 100 bucks

but then you pay the lawyers to help you

youre literally just trading one jew to give your shekels to for another

Which does only happen if they catch you while torrenting since they then have a bigger legal basis to act on (you're re-distributing).

It's not even remotely worth it for them to go after a downloader, even if they could in the first place, which they can't with sharehosters etc.

you'd give 1800€ to a hollywood lawyer rather than 900€ and 100€ to a lawyer that defends people like yourself? i dunno man.
indeed, and there are big german sharehosting forums.

>since they then have a bigger legal basis to act on (you're re-distributing).
I modified my torrent client to never upload a single byte of data and always report 0% completion

I wonder if that helps at all

All but two MP's in Australia voted in favor for data retention laws here a couple of years ago. But I've never once received a letter from my ISP saying that a film guild was trying to cuck me.

Feels good knowing that my government isn't cucked by american companies. Feels even better that Trump is going to demolish the TPP.

If you mean pirate as in download movies/games/music etc. It's not too bad.

If you talk about p2p torrenting it's very bad. It's just too ez to make a honey pot for the right holders. Simply download a torrent of something you own the rights. Wala, IP addresses of people that distribute your work.

That's why Germans use 1-click-hosters mostly

>Wala

>torrenting movies
>being this stupid

You got exactly what you deserved.

Where else are you supposed to get movies?

I usually stream my torrents, which is legal in Germany, but also use a VPN just to save me the work of defending myself.

>I usually stream my torrents, which is legal in Germany
????????????????

>stream torrents
>legal in germany
That's not how it works

Is it okay to just buy a vpn for torrenting with a credit card, or should I try and buy it with bitcoin.

More importantly, why the fuck would you ever use a credit card when bitcoin is an option?

You're right, I'm being stupid now, sorry.

Question is, can the vpn identify me if I buy bitcoin with a credit card, run it through a bitcoin shuffler, then use those bitcoins to purchase the vpn?

You are not on FBI's most wanted list. Stop trying to pretend you are

I'm using a modified torrent client that doesn't upload data, so it's about the same as streaming from youtube et al.
Anyway, IANAL.

Won't get caught if you use Solus.

what if I only torrent anime?

Not that bad if you take precautions.

That's some good advice right there.

>Not IP-binding your Bittorrent client
kek

>reportiert ein
Lern mal Deutsch, Alter.

Not at all.
Have ~90 gigs of movies off the bay, never used a proxy once.

Another rip user soon

was pirating for years without VPN or wtv and never got a letter.

now that I have a seedbox somewhere in the netherlands and just download shit from that I doubt I'll ever get into any trouble.

> live in germany
> use a server with 500GB hdd, transmission-daemon and transmission web-interface
> enjoy 100mb up/down torrenting plus all sorts of shit to do with the server
> just stream the files to my computer through sshfs

Feels comfy man.

my dad had to pay 500€ for downloading one of the ninja turtle movies like 10 years ago

You are still in the swarm so it doesn't do shit

> (You)
>You are still in the swarm
That's right. So what?

They don't give a fuck what you do there. They get your IP and come fuck your stupid ass (unless you use vpn)

If you're using coppersurfer or another reputable tracker, so are dozens of fake IPs.

Nah, they're mostly after the low hanging fruit.
And as I said before, I use VPN just in case anyway.

only 1800 euros? your people got fined much more for one episode of shoa

Or if you're using a private tracker, nobody will give as hit

this

>torrenting in 2016
are people really this stupid when streaming sites and download sites exist by the hundreds??

torrenting is a sure way to get in trouble, stay out of it. maybe 10 years ago when it was new it was ok, but now there are tons of better stuff

I wouldn't bet on German media, I've seen many threads just casually, over the years with germans getting BTFO mostly with american shit!

DDL can get taken down etc. whereas torrents are eternal

>are people really this stupid when streaming sites and download sites exist by the hundreds??
>what are region blocks and not having the fucking content I want

>torrenting is a sure way to get in trouble, stay out of it. maybe 10 years ago when it was new it was ok, but now there are tons of better stuff
Actually you're 100X less likely to get in trouble now even if you don't use a VPN because of the sheer number of people doing it. How the fuck are you going to prosecute hundreds of millions of people pirating shit?

My parents got letters a few times and always told me to never pirate anything when I was younger.
Now I only use private trackers, but torrent a shit ton on them. Didn't hear about my parents getting any more letters though.
Are private trackers save, even without VPN?

>Nah, they're mostly after the low hanging fruit.
Your fruit hangs just as low as if you were seeding at 10GB/s. It's your IP that matters. Nothing else. Whether this is in accordance with law is another question but no one gives a shit, certainly not the judge who will fine your stupid ass.

It entirely depends if they can get your IP (how public is the tracker, how popular is the torrent, are you using a VPN). Nothing else matters.

>How the fuck are you going to prosecute hundreds of millions of people pirating shit?
that's laughably naive

psuedo-thread-hijack

If you are downloading multiple torrents and they download at their normal rate for a few seconds and then drops down to 0 and then goes back up to the normal down rate again does that mean that I am getting throttled? Qbittorrent is the client with no previous instances.

>How the fuck are you going to prosecute hundreds of millions of people pirating shit?

>hundreds of millions
nice number you pulled out of your ass. Germany only has 80 million inhabitants

>How the fuck are you going to prosecute...
Tt's an automated process. They are specialized law firms who have a modified bittorrent client.
They first check if the file is legit copyrighted (not illegal to upload 5 GB of duck photos under "the avengers 720p.zip" or something like that). Then they just watch the swarm for any German IP they find, record a timestamp, print that shit out and give it to the court. There are usually 10s to 100s of people fined at once for a torrent.

Man is there anything good about Germany at this point?

it means the swarm is being monitored and they're ddosing the peers, usually utorrent peers like on rarbg

>Man is there anything good about Germany at this point?
Have you ever been to India? I have, and while I hate the political landscape right now, I'm glad to live in something that is (still) a first world country.

The funny thing is that while we have left leaning media, and indecisive politicians who will do (almost) anything the left leaning media will find good, you also have on the other hand the corporate cuckoldry like with prosecuting pirating media.

it's like the worst of both worlds.

that makes sense thanks!

Of course anything will look good compared to India.

Merkel will come to your home and deliver 5 tanned Germans to ficken your ass, OP.

Their porn is loosely based on German piracy punishments.

... Pretty bad.

Op here, thanks satan that i am estonfag, here its easy to download, but law people are cocky and gives to much money to nato, so that means alot fags here are poor(like me) and angry

And thats why we pirate alot, and can't go to see movies in cinema.

>Your fruit hangs just as low as if you were seeding at 10GB/s.
Sure they would send one of their funny letters, but they will think twice before trying that in court and then there's the "negative Feststellungsklage".

my sides

>Using a VPN service hosted in the U.S

>There are usually 10s to 100s of people fined at once for a torrent.
Source: my asshole.

You do realize that keeping all that shit private is profitable right? If they turn on us then we turn on them and make them go bankrupt.

They'd rather cut off their own arm (whatever country makes encrypted traffic illegal) and protect what countries they have left.

>If they turn on us then we turn on them and make them go bankrupt.
we don'T know when they turn on us

We'll know in hours as news of someone getting arrested despite using their VPNs. This would cause mass panic and people to stop using the VPN service altogether.

The VPN can identify you by IP address when you connect to it. Bitcoin tumbling is a good idea regardless of how you use BTC.

then the japanese will kill your entire family :o

They don't. The copyright owner sends a DMCA complaint to your isp. Then it's up to your isp as to what they do with it i.e. giving you a warning, shutting your service off

It's really not, you're over estimating the judicial systems world around, if it was cheese pizza then sure they will go half way around the world just to prosecute you.

The thing about VPNs that I found out last month is that you can use it all you want it will give you a different IP, but not a different IPv6, which means VPNs are useless today.

Leaving your only options to be seedboxes if you want to torrent.

>streaming sites and download sites

are you talking about legal ones? Like spotify/youtube? If yes then the content on those isn't the same world around, netflix catalog is perfect example of that, in Europe or even Canada its shit.

What download sites are you talking about.. I need to know for a friend.

there are lots of streaming sites but they're ad-riddled
movie4k.to
kinox.to
filmpalast.to
kinow.to
tata.to
just off the top of my head

>The thing about VPNs that I found out last month is that you can use it all you want it will give you a different IP, but not a different IPv6, which means VPNs are useless today.
that's so misinformed i can't even.
-You can use IPv6 VPNs just fine.
-You usually use either IPv4 or for v6 for a given service, not both, with IPv4 being far more common.
-You can easily disable IPv6 in Windows

>tfw in a country where they dont give a fuck so long as it's for personal use only

fuck your receding 1st world countries, starting with the US who pushed for this retarded narrative