Tfw my computer science degree is now worthless under the trump administration

>tfw my computer science degree is now worthless under the trump administration
i should have gone computer engineering instead

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Move to Canada first.

amazons losses are its own fault for wasting millions chasing fresh food deliveries

>he fell for the stock market meme

Pardon me for asking a salient point, but why would your degree be worthless under a Trump administration? Companies need programmers after all those H1Bs get deported.

Oh are you an H1B?

yes

Oh, in that case you have to go back.

>Companies need programmers after all those H1Bs get deported.
Then they will be outsourced and pay taxes elsewhere.

yeah, I'm sure Trump will just forget to close that loophole and not charge companies shit loads of fines/taxes for getting labor from foreign markets.

It was a nice campaign isn't it?

you have to go back, pajeet

> filthy pajeet scum will be deported

German here, will file my greencard application in January, no h1b visa shit, MAGA 1488

wait until pajeet gets kicked out

Will Trump keep his promises?
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Frogies here. Is french still a non-muslim nation or it's just too late?

> wapo
dop geg

> ad hominem

Jews killed for less.

soon

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>Washington post
'member a month ago when all they posted was "it is impossible for trump to win and here's 12 shocking facts why"

>having absolutely zero ethos
It's not a fallacy it's an untrustworthy source, just like it has been since it started

>dumb rednecks who got out smarted and out performed even by third world foreigners demand the help of GOV to get rid of meritocracy so they can breathe.

It's not meritocracy. These people perform like shit. The only reason they get hired is they work for subhuman wages and "muh diversity."

HR and project management are the worst things to ever happen to software development and computer science.

>The only reason they get hired is they work for subhuman wages and "muh diversity."

You realize that people who immigrate here work for the same wages as everybody else, right? They also got their certifications through English-language courses and exams.

The reason they're "taking your jobs" is because there aren't enough qualified Americans to fill those positions in the first place. Same reason the current generation is being pushed into STEM so hard.

He's not talking about legal immigrants though
Just like Donald trump, he was never talking about people who legally emigrated to america

>immigrate
>I've never heard of outsourcing

>perform like shit
>muh diversity
the free market will correct this.

>subhuman wages
your only valid point, but if a third worlder can do your job and demand less money, maybe you're not a special snowflake after all. and your job is not that complicated.

>You realize that people who immigrate here work for the same wages as everybody else, right?
lmao you're fucking stupid

nice try, erdogan
even we swedes know that this is complete bs

Explain "knowledge transfer" then, Pajeet. Why would a company go through the trouble of laying off native workers, hiring 500 Pajeets on H1-B visas, and having the native workers train them as a condition of severance?

They aren't getting labor though. They are getting code.

>Companies need programmers after all those H1Bs get deported.
It's not like they're not going to find people to fill those jobs seeing how the "programmer shortage" hasn't actually existed since the dot.com bubble burst in 2001. Only difference is that they're going to have to employ american citizen rather than people from the third world who will gladly do a 100+k/year job for 60k/year.

Hell, if you're actually worth paying an equivalent american's wage then you're not really in any risk of getting kicked out of country. If anything you might be in for a significant pay raise.

Me? I'm a European who holds a master's degree in Computer Engineering looking at the whole thing from the outside and I was before this interested in looking for a job in the U.S. However now it would seem like I'd really need to be super skilled or talented to get in, but not being super talented and having graduated only last June I guess this pretty much slams the door on me...

>lmao you're fucking stupid

Great counterargument, friendo :^)

>looking at the whole thing from the outside
>I got a masters but am unemployed

1488 brother.

>work for the same wages

Bull shit. Not only do they pay them less, they also keep them from getting raises by threatening to revoke their h1b visa. It's the 21st version of slavery and liberals love it.

>don't know what labor is

Let me guess, you have never worked a day in your life? When I went to Germany for my company conference I couldn't even do a "knowledge transfer" because it would be considered labor.

>slams the door on me...

As it should. We have Americans who are graduating college who can't find jobs because of third world slave labor. You can probably find work easily in Europe as well, there is no need to come to America. The h1b thing should be completely abolished seeing that boomers pushed the education meme only to shit on millenials and lost gen by importing third world slave labor.

Mate look into Canada instead, the American dream still lives but in the great north now

Canada is even more strict to get a work visa in. I wish America would protect its labor like that.

Lul Canadian here

Tech wages are sub par here, plus our dollar is worth less. Gl with that.

You have to go back paco

You might be retarded.

They aren't more qualified, but managers are retarded and don't understand the cost of not doing shit right the first time. They only see that "you can have double of these curry chomping motherfuckers for half the price!" and never consider *why* that is.

hahahahahahaha

you have to go back

ITT: jobless NEETs who can't even get a job for half the wage of an average Pajeet

>Not working in the U.S means you're unemployed
Nice leap of logic there...

>We have Americans who are graduating college who can't find jobs because of third world slave labor
I have a hard time believing this is really the case with the exception of liberal arts majors.

With the SJW nonsense and how they're trying to turn criticism of religions into human rights violations I think I'll stay well clear of Canada thankyouverymuch.

Remember when Bezos bought the Wapo so at least one news article online or in print would be positive about Amazon. Good times.

In case you may not have noticed it, you're on Sup Forums, not /r9k/...

Canada arrests and fines people for twitter and facebook posts. You can't even be insulting. Sad.

>20% loss in stock
>tfw trump is killing scumbag globalist companies

And if you are actually skilled then you won't be replaced by Pajeet.

>And if you are actually skilled then you won't be replaced by Pajeet.
Well you won't be replaced until you train your replacement. There is that.

ITT: Globalist shills try to defend paying workers less.

spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth

>President Obama has called for government and industry to train 10 000 new U.S. engineers every year as well as 100 000 additional STEM teachers by 2020. And until those new recruits enter the workforce, tech companies like Facebook, IBM, and Microsoft are lobbying to boost the number of H-1B visas—temporary immigration permits for skilled workers—from 65 000 per year to as many as 180 000. The European Union is similarly introducing the new Blue Card visa to bring in skilled workers from outside the EU. The government of India has said it needs to add 800 new universities, in part to avoid a shortfall of 1.6 million university-educated engineers by the end of the decade.

>And yet, alongside such dire projections, you’ll also find reports suggesting just the opposite—that there are more STEM workers than suitable jobs. One study found, for example, that wages for U.S. workers in computer and math fields have largely stagnated since 2000. Even as the Great Recession slowly recedes, STEM workers at every stage of the career pipeline, from freshly minted grads to mid- and late-career Ph.D.s, still struggle to find employment as many companies, including Boeing, IBM, and Symantec, continue to lay off thousands of STEM workers.

Read what I just posted. Globalists are doing this to reduce high tech worker wages. You're literally shilling for major corporation globalists to not pay you.

>BUY HIGH
>SELL LOW

If there's anything we've learned about how the H1B program is actually being used over the last few years it's that it doesn't matter how skilled you are, if a job can be done by a pajeet being paid well below the standard wage for that job, there's a good chance management is going to make sure it's done by a pajeet even if it means firing someone much more competent than the pajeet they're hiring.

And they will learn their lesson if it really turns out that hiring Pajeet was a bad decision. In the meantime if you are actually valuable you should have no trouble finding a position at another company.

Extremely legal Latino here. This bodes well for me. I'm gonna go into computer science and these companies are gonna be hounded by HR for diversity hires and they won't be able to rely on Rajesh for that anymore.

Sorry Pajeet, look at the bright side; Rupees are prettier than American money anyway.


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>legal Latino
Fuck off anchor baby.

The problem with that is that the difference between being able to do something and being able to do it well won't show anywhere near as fast as the reduction in labor costs. By that point the business people in question have most probably moved on to another company.

>Extremely legal

I'm Puerto Rican and descended from military members who've served this country in war, dumbass.

>legal Latino here
The correct term now is LatinX as to not offend anyone. Get with the times.

Ahh wonderful Puerto Rico the island of socialist leechers and lecherous dimwits. If only I invested into cutlery I'd be a rich SOB. They really love those knives.

I swear, if I see any feminista use that term unironically, I'm grabbing her by la concha.

Calm down, Supreet, you should invest in shovels. You'd make a killing cleaning the human and bovine shit off your streets.

The problem is this isn't true. Maybe if you're a project lead with 15 years experience then merit comes into play but if you've just come out of college you're competing for jobs against people willing to work for half as much as you just to not live in the 3rd world any more. It's also a numbers game, when you allow easy hiring of foreign workers then you're setting your populace to compete against 5x-10x more people.

The primary problem with foreign hiring is getting into the market. Paper boys don't exist any more because a 50 year old Mexican with experience working in deliveries now has that job. If you remove that first stepping stone then you fuck up the entire system.

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That's the problem mate

maybe that's entirely rational. Maybe they don't care if its done suboptimally or poorly, only that it gets done.

you also say that as if Pajeet has a monopoly on creating massive IT fuckups. He doesn't, there's more than enough incompetent native-born white Americans to go around.

>the free market will correct this.
sure thing bub

you have to go back, my non-white lad

you must return to your country of origin, family

Yeah wtf, this would be great for Americans, companies will have to stop abusing cheap H1B labour

How necessary is a comp sci degree for a system administrator job?

Honestly? Not necessary at all. You could likely insert any person with a couple certs under their belt and a GED. I've seen former military even coast guard guys who can't spell or write to save their lives in this business. They use the education bonuses of the armed services which is great but not all of them are good fits and are dumb as rocks. They need every rule spelled out and never waiver from the handbook (military training). You could fill that role easily with apprenticeship type of programs. College is generally overrated anyways. Most of what I picked up besides the foundation in the basics was useless before I graduated.

#Trump'd

>the free market will correct this.
Only that you don't have a free market

techinasia.com/ebay-fires-entire-india-team

???

>but managers are retarded and don't understand the cost of not doing shit right the first time.

Only partly true I think. The other half is that they don't give a shit if their app eats up 50% of the devices computing power when 5% should be sufficient.

True. The USA hasn't been free market for a long time. When government doesn't control the currency and interest rates then maybe we can see about a free market.

Thank you for the reply user.

>and I was before this interested in looking for a job in the U.S

wat

Amazon was pretty convenient but I'd survive it if they got killed off. Would probably even get a local alternative then rather than having to buy from some American megacorp

>>And yet, alongside such dire projections, you’ll also find reports suggesting just the opposite—that there are more STEM workers than suitable jobs. One study found, for example, that wages for U.S. workers in computer and math fields have largely stagnated since 2000. Even as the Great Recession slowly recedes, STEM workers at every stage of the career pipeline, from freshly minted grads to mid- and late-career Ph.D.s, still struggle to find employment as many companies, including Boeing, IBM, and Symantec, continue to lay off thousands of STEM workers.

The shortage never really existed. We had enough STEM graduates to fill all those positions. Their "problem" was that it bordered on "just enough", which meant they actually had o pay them acceptable wages.
So they started shilling for flooding the STEM market in an attempt to kill off the wages.

Over here in Germany it goes something like this
>it is considered to be a shortage when there are less than 8 application for an open position, even if those applications are from people that would all be perfectly capable of doing the job
>to "account for positions that are not publically advertised but filled in house :^)" they multiply that number by 7 or 11 (forgot which one) again
>meaning that if you do not have an absolutely absurd number of applications for every fucking job the industry will bitch that they need more

Can only trick that Chemistry PhD into working for 50k/month if he has to compete with 200 others for that position.

...

The biggest giveaway is that wages in STEM are going down.
If there was a shortage, they would be going up to attract people.

But they aren't.

they definitely don't

I worked for a "startup" that exclusively handed out work visas for free work. This is in Europe too, so I'd say in the States it happens on a much bigger scale.

Mostly it was Brazilians and I think they got some money under the table from the company to help them out. The "startup" though was making zero money, all of it came out of a government grant for new tech companies.

So long story short BRs left their shit country to leech government funding.

if you honestly think the number of foreigners in western countries sky rocketed for any other reason other than pay you're pretty fucking naive

ive seen foreigners working in roles that should pay 30-40k but they'll take 20k or less for it. they've collectively dragged down wages and pay for a long time now

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>50k/month

I obviously meant year.

Same here. We have government programs to "foster international relationships in academia", i.e. money that can only be used to hire foreign postdocs, so the Profs just hire some Pajeet, park him in an office where he does basically nothing at all and collect the overhead included in the grant.

Even more of an insult because the non-foreigners all officially have half-day positions (but obviously work the full day) while the Pajeets get a full position.

>your job is not that complicated

name a fucking job that is, the whole point of jobs is that they're inherently 9-5 office shit

people's standards are just shit these days. the average service/product provided to us is pretty much abysmal unless you want to pay significant amounts extra or you go to a mom and pop equivalent that will probably go out of business in the near future.

but by all means continue enjoying your trash build lenovos, horrible food, and your 5th android device

quality takes a dip if you pay people peanuts and we hand out a fuck ton of peanuts these days

say what you like, you get what you pay for. enjoy your burger made by pajeets shit covered hands

tfw work at AWS

lol bye bye

Yeh cause that's going to be secure af

>Dem Emmigrations is the reason I'm so poor n shit

Lol. Visas are the only reason the jobs are still onshore and local companies are competitive. You can compete with the visa workers or not at all. Stop the visas and everything will just move offshore or go broke.

>name a fucking job that is

There are some jobs that require pretty significant skill in abstraction or motor skills most people simply do not have, but yeah, I do agree. Most jobs can be (more or less well) done by anyone if they had the proper training. The only real difference is if you are left with "good enough" or "perfect" at the end and a lot of companies decided that "good enough" is sufficient.

That's why you use tariffs to protect your country.
And honestly, also the short sighted companies. The reason this shit is profitable right now is because they can abuse the relatively high average wealth in the US as consumer base while they can also use the poor as shit foreigners from the third world on the production side.
When they all fuck off overseas they kill off their consumer base and are now left with Pajeet who might work for peanuts but who can also only pay peanuts for their product.

The profits they are making right now are short term and that seemingly bottomless pot of money is already running dry. You can only siphon off the money from one generation by following that strategy, because the next generation won't have any money to spend on your products.

the happend to amazon that the stock is falling that hard?

Photoshop. It actually dropped by $19.94, not 19.94%

>local companies are competitive
ahahah good one, local business is the least competitive it's ever been

the only time I buy a non corporate product is when it's a specialty product that I need to be of the highest quality, and even then it's usually just made by Koreans instead of Chinks is the only difference

often enough it's just made by better paid chinks and at least inspected before it's sent to me

local business doesn't stand a fucking chance if they're actually making the product or service, it largely baffles me that small business still exists in 2016

>baffles me that small business still exists in 2016
Small and medium business is the bedrock of the US economy and jobs. That's why it was pointless bailing out the companies once the depression hit. It was better served going to the people to pay down debts. It's why the job market is dead and we're still in a depression.

Australian here.

pajeet/pedro you can hang yourself on the H-1B. We have E-3s.