Why are data caps a thing?

Why are data caps a thing?

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there is literally no legitimate reason
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Did they fucking inject that into your web page?

Depends who you ask. Telecom consultant shills will tell you that it's to "incentivize infrastructure development". Even though marketing guys are busy touting how great the network is. Just about everyone else will tell you it's to insert male sex organs into your bum. Those people are right.

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Yes, they do.

>why do I have to pay more for my water service if I use more water?

>tfw Google Fiber.
>tfw TWC in area too.

FUCK COMCAST!

Fuck me

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly

>Google Fiber.
RIP sweet prince

>not using https
degenerate

>tfw 6mbit/s and 150GB a month for over $100
>can't change ISPs because AT&T locked other providers out of my apartment complex

I need to fucking move. This shit should be illegal.

The difference is that you don't have to treat data to make it safe for consumption. It weighs a lot less too.

Though we clearly all shit into our data more than we do water because we're posting in a hungarian tire rotating facility.

Why isn't internet free then? The wires are already there.

Not defending data caps but how exactly does one use up 1 TB in a month? I can barely scrape 300 GB per month with all the chinese cartoons I torrent

That's a stupid argument.
I pay 300 dollars once a year and use all the water I want.
If I dug a well, I wouldn't have to pay anything.

There are still other bills to pay such as electricity and maintenance.

Really? ALL the water you want? Have you ever just left all the faucets in your home running for an entire year?

They do require maintenance and people like higher speeds so you do need to fund development. The point is that using more data doesn't actually cost ISPs -that- much more money.

Huge discrepancy between the price to provide data vs the price consumers pay. The FCC just ruled on this. They found that wireless providers couldn't provide any evidence that data caps were justified, got spooked by a huge merger and banned data caps entirely for 7 years.

And people who use more bandwidth require more cables to be laid down, which leads to higher maintenance costs.

Then why do we now have data caps? On Xfinity at least

No because that's mental. If I did, then I would rightfully be stopped or my house would rot because of water damage.

Same thing with DDoS attacks. There is such thing as excessive usage, but normal consumers rarely get there. I mean I know you're just shitposting but ya.

youtube.com/watch?v=VgpcUC-4IgI

I'm conflating wireless and wired. Data caps on wired. No data caps on wireless. Though they're pulling some bullshit where you get an allotment of LTE, then get but on unlimited shit internet.

1TB a month is mental. Nobody needs 1TB a month unless you are running DDOS attacks, seeding illegal media 24/7, or running a large website.

because people in 3rd world countries have caps so logically we need them too

thankfully my ISP doesn't impose that bullshit (yet). next billing cycle they're even going to double my speed for free

Is there some petition I can sign concerning the new Xfinity data caps?? This is absurd

Artificial scarcity to Jew you out of more money

Maybe you have a large family that all stream 4k movies all day. Maybe you -do- have a large website. Maybe you're seeding legal media 24/7. Point is that ISPs shouldn't be charging exorbitant prices on everyday users.

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It's so that the nerds don't block the tubes for the rest of us.

You stream video.

The other reason they have caps is because they want to push you into subscribing to their pay TV service instead of being a cord-cutter

Complain to the FCC, find petitions, make angry calls all the time. Read up on telecom law. I'm a canuck and don't have a comprehensive idea of how you're shit works. You yanks are fucking weird and have municipalities decide telecom stuff.

1TB/month is NOT every day usage. assholes like you are what ruin good things for everyone else

also most ISPs do not allow you to host websites or email servers, that's what the business tier is for

They aren't. Not in 1st world countries.

>they want to push you into subscribing to their pay TV service
This. Nothing makes telecom companies shit their pants like no data caps + netflix

Tfw routers and switches are designed to work at max capacity and there's literally no reason data caps need to exist

>upload speed a tenth of download speed in 99% of plans

Why even live?

1TB is 37 straight days of netflix.

now divide that by every person in the house

>also most ISPs do not allow you to host websites or email servers, that's what the business tier is for
there's also no reason, save for extortion, that you shouldn't be allowed to host servers on residential internet. It's the same as data caps, a completely pointless restriction that exists only as an excuse to charge fees.

I'm not saying 1TB/month is everyday usage. I'm just saying that the option should be made available.

Especially because there is no reason to institute data caps when you as much money as telecoms do. You don't need to hamstring people to afford infrastructure development.

Why single people pay as much as families?

Australian here.
Data caps have always been a thing. It sucks.

Aren't they relatively new to you burgers?

Because that's how it works?

So you're saying a family of 4 should also be able to spend the same amount on groceries and get 4 times the food as someone living alone?

They aren't.

Yes, because now they're actually being enforced

I'm all for neat analogies to explain the net. But food and data aren't neat analogies, neither is water and data.

>The FCC just ruled on this. They found that wireless providers couldn't provide any evidence that data caps were justified, got spooked by a huge merger and banned data caps entirely for 7 years.

Didn't Comcast just put out data caps a couple weeks ago on people who didn't have data caps? Are they going to have to undo that? Or is that just for wireless providers?

So data costs nothing? We should just all get it for free?

Just wireless. I should have been clearer.
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Way back when in the dark days of the early 90s pretty much all ISPs had draconian per-hour charges. Then it turned into getting a certain number of hours free before they fucked you in the ass. (Ever seen an old AOL CD that advertises "X Free Hours!!" for some X? Thats what was going on) Then the dot.com boom happened and corporate America collectively forgot about being profitable. Dial-up turned into flat rate, and there were a couple of companies based on the business model "We're going to give you free internet" Most had a little program that showed ads to try and make back the money. I think there was one that didn't bother with that, and just announced they planned to give away free internet with no monetization plan. This being 1999, their stock price promptly soared.

Then after that in the 2000s broadband started being a thing and there were, indeed, no caps for a long time. I believe this was because in the 90s a gorillion miles of fiber got laid to prepare for the NEW PARADIGM that was expected to occur, but didn't, so ISPs were just happy to have this otherwise useless asset doing *something*. It is only since the 2010s or so that broadband has become so ubiquitous and relied upon that telecoms have started trying to artificially restrict its supply to drum up more revenue.

>1TB a month is mental. Nobody needs 1TB a month unless you are running DDOS attacks, seeding illegal media 24/7, or running a large website.

Well.... yeah!

>So data costs nothing?
No

>We should just all get it for free?
No

We shouldn't have data caps, and we shouldn't be paying so much for it.

The data that the average user will use will cost next to nothing. The data the average burgerfamily will use will cost next to nothing. Costs like this only work at larger scales. How much does it cost to service an entire neighbourhood? A city? Find out this cost across a municipality, because that's how ISPs have to dole their shit out, add some extra for development/maintenance and make it a flat rate for everyone.

Why don't you stop being a cheap Jew and subscribe to business tier Internet?

question: how exactly is data usage costly for ISPs once they have the infrastructure built? it it purely profiteering?

during off-peak hours it pretty much does cost nothing. The infrastructure is already there and running, and its capacity vastly exceeds demand. So why I shouldn't be able to use it freely when there's no contention for it, I don't know.

Why should average users be paying for all the pedos constantly using their bandwidth on uploading CP? Sounds like socialism.

Many ISPs won't give it to you at a residential address, even if you're willing to pay the (exorbitant) price tag.

If they did I'd probably get it and tell my neighbors they could leech off my wi-fi for $20 a month to recoup the difference in cost

>i shouldn't have to pay for driving on a toll road at 3 AM! no one's using it now! never mind infrastructure and maintenance costs!

Sup Forums logic

There's always the next big thing. And the industry tends to get concentrated. You're paying your internet so that they can fund their TV production or their new fibre network, etc. But even then, isn't fair to gouge on data caps.

That's because they would have to upgrade their infrastructure so they don't fuck themselves over.
They oversell the shit out of everything.

Korean here.
100mb/s speed no caps
20$ per month

You literally shouldn't. The toll is there to tamp down demand and try and prevent the traffic from jamming.

Plenty of states with toll roads give reduced or free tolls overnight for trucks to try and prod trucking companies to run their trucks overnight (when the large, expensive highway is pretty much deserted) instead of during the day (when it's filled with commuters)

No one is saying it should be free. Just don't charge people who like to drive a lot more for the cost of maintaining roads.

It is. You're also the direct beneficiary of an open internet. If you don't like things that reek of socialism, better get off the internet generally.

You also have a GDP per capital of $20,000 per year less than the U.S.

The "ideal" method would be to find what proportion of the network node someone is utilizing, and bill them based off of that.
This is because the cost associated with a network is the maintenance and support, not the actual transmission of data. That's free.
Unfortunately, it's very difficult to come up with a neutral metric describing the stress that any particular host puts on a network. If you use 70% of your neighborhood's B/W on off hours, it's effectively free (as far as the network is concerned). Streaming netflix at peak hours, though, actually stresses the network because your node could be maxed out, forcing the slow of traffic in general.

Maybe a peak usage billing method would be more fair.

ISPs want us to believe that data is like water, with only so much data to go around.

This. Except most of the internet's roads are mostly empty all the time. Fuck the toll if you're already paying for the road.

You don't /thread your own post, my dude

their president is also a retard

Infrastructure and maintenance costs are extremely small when applied to off peak traffic.

Data transit is not like a truck that wears out the road, it doesn't matter if the router runs at 95% capacity or 5%.

that bitch will be replaced soon
our intelligence agency intervened in the election 4 years ago, and the media support her
that's why that bitch was elected

Will you do it for me senpai?

So the solution is to just say fuck it and let everyone use as much as they want?

I have glorious t-mobile I don't know what a data cap

>land of the free
>has datacaps1
stay classy, muricunts :-)

Honestly, yeah.

What the fuck did you just say to me, Michael John? You little bitch.

Notice how I said:
>off peak traffic

The amount of traffic transferred at peak times is what dictates the size and cost of a network.

Data caps are like Negan in The Walking Dead.

>it doesn't matter if the router runs at 95% capacity or 5%.
it does though, if their datacenter is not properly cooled down

What's worse is how they are actively injecting code and modifying web pages you are viewing.

And to answer your question: because average Joe is too dumb to know any better and complain, so they got away with it.

I thought that injection shit didn't work over https?

>What the fuck did you just say to me, Michael John? You little bitch.
>land of the free
>has datacaps1
stay classy, muricunts :-)

Rather have a data cap than a family dead by "refuges"

Routers generate so little heat compared to a server it's not even funny.

If your DC has such poor ventilation that your routers die, it's probably in the triple digits.

>I thought that injection shit didn't work over https?
It doesn't (or at least, shouldn't. If it does, you're REALLY fucked as they have their certificate in your trusted store and are spoofing), but OP's not using https for that page.

you're going to get both idiot. because you were dumb enough to believe that an nyc billionaire was an anti-establishment candidate.

Oh you're one of those degenerate fags. Go to the middle east so they throw your faggot ass off a roof.

Shut up, Tyler

Fuck OFF Tyler S.

>not browsing using https

Next version will feature a comprehensive security suite using adaptive cloud mitigation strategies via ota attack interception. Also, you only need to trust one certificate, which overcomes today's trust problems with CAs.

fuck off spyridon go to bed

>complaining about 1tb cap
>i have 250bg

SHUT UP STALLMANN

Yeah, ban extended capacity assault unlimited plans!

Feels good to live in a country with dirt cheap internet.