Mozilla - or the perfect example how to do damage control

ghacks.net/2016/11/24/firefox-will-only-support-web-extensions-by-the-end-of-2017 - it is a real hilarious to read that comments of Parker Lewis... performance and Webextensions are everything, customization, features and themes are nothin

Parker Lewis.... hidden Mozilla employee who tries to persuade others that simplicity and minimalism is more worthy than features...

What for a hilarious guy :D

Other urls found in this thread:

blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/
bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1306671
forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2972129&start=135
arstechnica.com/business/2012/02/malicious-backdoor-in-open-source-messaging-apps-not-spotted-for-4-months/
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

are you norwegian?

Posting those comments anyway:

>I don't know that for a fact but I doubt Tab Mix Plus will not be WebExtensions-ready in a year. I'd be surprised if any of the popular add-ons was not ported over.

>You don't appear to have the full picture. The move to WebExtensions isn't about Chrome. If anything, compatibility with Chrome extensions is a nice side benefit. The real reasons have been discussed at leeeeeength with article and comments here

>Actually I'm rather amazed by Mozilla engineers and the developer community. They really manage to pick the best of the best of routes in situations where (like anything in life) there is no perfect path. I wish native.js was the winning proposal though, because it was this close to being perfect. I hope some people are pushing for it and poking Giorgio Maone because currently it's another proposal that is being implemented because of Andy McKay, which is less good in terms of having your cake and eating it.

>You got it wrong. What strikes me is how clearly it shows that you are missing a number of key information points that should change your conclusion completely, would you be aware of them.

>Just re-read yourself: All your statement is based on a unidimensional reading that was produced by one single key information point. So of course you go on and conclude what you do.

>See my earlier comment to you that point to an article with comments that have more insight. You can also check project Quantum, which hasn't been addressed in the linked article. (Only indirectly whenever Servo is mentioned)

>Firefox is definitely not Chrome, nor is it going towards Chrome. That conclusion is a mistake not due to stupidity but lack of information.


>I kind of worry for Palemoon. What will happen to them when all main browsers are on the performance level of Firefox post-Quantum ? Ten years from now, the web should have adapted to these extremely fast and concurrent browsers, so Palemoon and similar browsers should have trouble running many sites smoothly. They will have to either switch their engine or (doubtful) implement their own version of "Quantum". Which in the case of Palemoon, will break all deep-hooking add-ons. WebExtensions won't break.

>I guess we'll see.


After that comment he posted a wall of text.

I fucking hate mozilla, I wish them all death

>Australis was indeed a minor issue
>minor issue

That Lestat guy did the same. He is the other side of the coin.

Both have good points.

But Lestat got it wrong:

customization is a thing of the past and simplicity and minimalism is a thing of the present

blog.mozilla.org/addons/2016/11/23/add-ons-in-2017/ - Also, the official discussion blog post of Mozilla

GG Mozarella FireCucks

no more DownThemAll addon, no more Self-Destrcting Cookies addon, no more FTDeepDark complete theme, no more No-Script addon, no more uMatrix addon.

That's it. I'm switching to Chrome full time now

Stupid... That all will be supported by Webextensions, as Mozilla will make sure that that kind of feature sets live on over additional API.

What will die is UI customization and full themes.. useless bloat which should have been exterminated already since a long time or better never should have been invented at all.

Australis was the first step to implement the ruling Chrome system, Webextensions will be the second step and once the Servo feature set is done, Firefox will be more faster than Chrome and Chrome will disappear faster than you ever have been thinking that it actually would be possible.

Mozilla is porting old APIs so more extensions will work.

NoScript is now a Web Extension. uMatrix was always a Web Extension anyway.

Exactly. Only bloat will disappear. Who would anyway constantly change how the browser looks and where elements are located.

Ricers are such gay pussies!

seems like they have the Apple-itits
>remove features makes the computer better!

In retrospect compared to the stunt they're pulling with the extensions. One can theme away Australis. If this happens, you can't theme it away anymore.

literally nobody outside of Germany still cares about Firefox; go back to Krautchan

People who love a fast and stable browser do care for Firefox. Because that is what you get after all is done.

Fuck Chrome! Firefox will fulfill your needs much better once Webextensions are available. You have the Chrome UI, you have the speed, you have the script support, HTML5 feature support and you will have much more complex add-ons which are not constantly breaking and creating security leaks inside the browser.

Firefox with Servo and Webextensions is how Chrome should have been!

you could also not be a cuck and just install chromium instead of getting a knockoff

>.t a one-sided bigot working for mozilla

yeah, and fuck people who want to be able to set custom wallpaper on their pc, paint their irl walls, have night modes to not burn their eyes with every screen, set custom ringtones on their phone, and anyone who wants to dress in their own style

Google is spyware and a bad company. Only a real cuck supports the Botnet.

Wait one moment friend. What you wrote are personal activities, as no one shares with you your worthless body.

A software is used by millions of users the same time. This is different!

If Google can hide spyware in an open source application (Chromium), does that mean that the whole "the community finds and fixes bugs!!" thing is a meme?
Or are you just not aware that Chromium and Chrome are not the same thing?

Chromium and Chrome are both Google. You should not use anything Google made.

No browser, no mail. Google as a whole is the most important meme - And if you have somewhat a brain you avoid that cock sucking garbage company as a whole.

Can you explain to me why exactly I shouldn't be using Chromium?
It's open source, so Google can't hide anything in it, and it's free, so I'm not supporting Google in any way.

You use Chromium, you support Google. As you are supporting the Chrome market share.

Again, why not using the Chrome browser Mozilla is creating? It will be faster, more secure and even a bit more feature rich as compared with Chrome or Chromium.

Mozilla is implementing a new theme API you dummies.

bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1306671

Because Firefox is fucking garbage. I've used it for quite a bit and had nothing but problems with it, ranging from high cpu usage to just general sluggishness.
>faster
nah
>more secure
does it even have a sandbox yet? does it still run everything as a single process?
>feature rich
every single feature I want I get via addons, except for Pocket, which Mozilla helpfully includes by default.

Which is perhaps a bit more powerful than the lightweight themes, but not much.

You only can do a little bit more, but not that much you have been able to do with full themes.

Shut up if YOU do not know something. Bloat will be removed. That is a fact stupid!

Firefox is now garbage but with Servo Mozilla has a better browser than Google!

Fucking WebExtensions API don't even allow me to specify save path for files. The most fucking basic thing you could think of. Just cuck my browser up.

But that doesn't make Google any money.
It's the same retarded argument as "news sites should appreciate my traffic even if I block all their ads because I'm expanding their market share / doing free marketing for them on social media!
Market share doesn't mean shit to an actual company, for the same reason that professional artists expect actual payment instead of "free exposure."
do you have anything to back that claim up?

Sup Forums is full of shit and has been saying "new update will kill firefox" for years and nothing's changed.

forgot the closing parenthesis on the second line, just imagine it being there

>Firefucks retards think 30ft of title bar and toolbars is more "minimul" than my 8px just tabs with nav on autohide.

Browsers have really been dead since FF26 anyway. There's not going to be a way to turn off tracking in the future, everything software wise will keep getting more bloated and ugly until nobody wants to use a desktop anymore.

>Which is perhaps a bit more powerful than the lightweight themes, but not much.
>You only can do a little bit more, but not that much you have been able to do with full themes.
Source?

>firefox is trying to be like chrome it sucks!!!
>use googles botnet browser instead
no thx

Read the Mozilla blogs, there is all info you need to know. Mozilla works on a new engine called Servo, which will be faster and more secure than Blink.

Mozilla's next generation goal is to become the most stable and fast browser on the whole market.

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Yeah, and I'm working on a new engine that can do SunSpider in 0.05 seconds and give me a blowjob while doing so.
I won't believe anything Mozilla's PR team bullshits about until I see actual benchmarks.

Pretty soon the opensource browser is going to track you 10 times harder than google botnet. Might as well switch to the botnet that loads pages slightly faster and supports just a little bit more HTML5.

>nothing changed

There is no source needed. Webextensions will not be as bloated and not as feature rich as XUL ones and the new theme API will be less powerful too and you will not be able to reach all browser elements because that was a major security issue and opened the backdoor for malware creators.

Mozilla talks since years now about that. And at the most dedicated community page - Mozillazine people are also aware of that.

Where have you lived? Under a rock? Or are you inentionally stupid or just a lame troll? Go eat shit and die!

>soon
Firefox nightly already sends browser metadata, user data, and browser history to Mozilla by default, which for some reason people don't seem to care about.

Honestly I didn't think anyone still uses Firefox...

Can you post screenshot of your customized Firefox if you use it?

Still less invasive than Chrome is doing. It is Google's advertisement botnet - it is even malware as you are forced by many installers to alternatively install Chrome during installation.

Mozilla does nothing like that. They are the heroes of the free web. Browse freely or die!

Yeah, but you can still cut it off for now. Sadly with feature killing rapidly approaching, there isn't even going to be a way to cut it off, and no browser will be safe. Everyone's internet history will be visible to anyone with access to their databases.

>There is no source needed.
>I can't prove it because there is no proof.
>Maybe if I call him stupid people will think I'm right.

Go ask Mozilla on your own on irc, go ask the people at Mozillazine on their irc fucktard, and then tell me again who is talking garbage.

>Find non-existing evidence for me.

>Still less invasive than Chrome is doing
do you have any source on that, at all?
>forced by many installers to alternatively install Chrome during installation.
t. computer illiterate who can't uncheck an option during installation
>Browse freely or die!
*unless you have gay porn in your history, then you can just die
>Sadly with feature killing rapidly approaching, there isn't even going to be a way to cut it off
You're aware that a browser being open source means that you could just strip out the code that sends your data away, right?
"There is no source needed" is this thread's slogan

You are aware that nobody is doing that, and not many people know how to read a project as massive as firefox.

forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2972129&start=135 - That guys know it exactly. This was discussed from top to the bottom. especially from Frank who made full themes too. Read the thread you ignorant son of a bitch.

New theme API will NOT be as powerful as the one before you dirty fucktard.

So Firefox is a massive security risk because nobody knows what is going on in its code base because everyone can "contribute" without any background checking?

Well, contributions are checked by the main devs, and they choose which contributions can be a part of the main project or not. Otherwise, the contribution is just a fork.

So what said is complete bullshit then? Huh, who would've thought.

Not entirely. Nobody can comprehend the whole of firefox because of its massive nature, and the people in control can sneak in any code they want without making the changes public. So... It's not wholly wrong. Also, lol.

I was only asking for a source silly. I didn't know that was such an offensive thing to ask for.

hey, i am from the country side, bad mouthing is not meant in any way as offense :P

arstechnica.com/business/2012/02/malicious-backdoor-in-open-source-messaging-apps-not-spotted-for-4-months/

>It's open source, so Google can't hide anything in it
If that was truly the case, how would a project like UnGoogled Chromium exist?
>it's free, so I'm not supporting Google in any way
All browsers are free now; it's not the late 90s - early 2000s with Opera. The battle for control of the internet is as much a contest for dominance over hearts and minds as much as anything else.

>how would a project like UnGoogled Chromium exist?
autism
>All browsers are free now;
Free as in freedom, not free as in cost

Free as in freedom doesn't help you when you still choose to subjugate yourself to the Google ecosystem. It's fairly obvious there's somewho in this thread who is acting out the role of a G-shill. Firefox is in decline so Mozilla's gambling big on this new change. Right now, it's still the only full-featured open-source option that's viable for someone who doesn't want an antagonistic relationship with their browser. As far as I know, Firefox Health Report is not a bunch of hidden settings that's difficult to turn off. If you use a version of FF ahead of the main one, you should be well aware of their diagnostics - it comes with being a beta tester. And even if Google and Mozilla both collect your browsing data, are you really going to choose the advertising company that's cozy with the US government over a mismanaged nonprofit?

Yes, I'm really choosing the advertising company that actually needs its users to be able to make money over the mismanaged homophobic catastrophe that is Mozilla.
By the way, you're aware that you're using a Google product with every single post you make in this thread, right?

It's really fucking sad how broken the web becomes should you block Jewgle at DNS level.