Do we like slow internet connections?

Do we like slow internet connections?
What is your best memory you have of 56K speed or under?

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The only thing I liked is that websites couldn't be bloated.

This.

I hate how computing is like an RPG level scaling system.
>get stronger
>enemies get stronger
>get better hardware
>software gets more bloated

My best memory of 56k was when it was replaced by DSL.

Remember that time my moms friend went on vacation so she wasn't on the phone all day?
good times

downloading warez on 56k
about 40 split rar files
downloading them all at the same time
ISP cut me off saying they couldn't provide "always on internet"

I used to have problems with my ISP occasionally and remember anxiously listening to the dial up noise to hear whether it was going to connect or not, good times

I can't wrap my mind around how bloated games are getting. There were dozen hour RPGs on 4-8mb cartridges, then dozen hour RPGs on 700mb discs, now a dozen hour RPG is 40+gigs

That one time my download program mistakenly showed 20kb/s for a short time instead of the usual 5kb/s.

I am curious though, is there a way to set up a dialup gateway at home? Like where you have an old computer dialing up to your router with its modem and using the internet that way. I have an old Compaq Presario 1200 here with WinME that's very "Y2K Internet themed" with dedicated "internet zone" buttons on the keyboard and all that. Would be fun to give it a spin for old times sake.

56k connections had one great advantage which was at the same time their greatest weakness. You paid handsomely by the minute. That made it where your use of time was much more efficient you logged on you got what you needed to get and you'd log off.

I really wanted a corner of a room for an old setup like that. Maybe just to play some old games I have on diskette. Are they leftovers you never got rid of, or did you buy them in the past few years?

Is it bad that I optimize my client's websites so that it could load tolerably well for 56Kbps connections?

That's cute. like, actually cute, not ironically or jokingly

No because that just makes you considerate to the many places in the world that don't have blazing fast internet.

I also hope you consider blind users in your layout.

Leftovers, i upgraded the shit out of that laptop too. Replaced the Mini-PCI 56K modem with a Wifi card and ran antennas with their wires through the chassis inside. Something neat about that model is that it uses a regular desktop socket 370. Had a 1Ghz Pentium III on there instead of the stock 700Mhz one, but it would run too hot for the pissant heatsink and would keep shutting itself down.

I gotta say, Pentium II and III Y2K-era machines are probably the best and most overlooked for DOS gaming. It practically runs every game made for the platform if you have Win98 or ME on there.

Then why do they always complain about the finished work? Just because I don't bloat the site with useless scripts and plug-ins doesn't mean that it will run any better.

>Teen Girls Beware: Popular Boys Do THIS
Oh no, what?

Just tell them that making it look super pretty will double, if not triple, their server cost.

I mean, it's not a total lie, just mostly a lie.

>driver

Man has taste.

Because storage is cheap so just buy more, go-I mean, guy.

I had that Buffy poster when I was going through puberty. Man do I miss the 90s and how challenging it was to sneak a fap into my schedule when your sister was a phone addict and you only had one computer in the house.
You kids have it too easy today.

>trying to fap when the only computer is in your moms room

>12 Reasons Zelda Will Be Game of the Year

we had clickbait before we knew it was clickbait

Games aren't really bloated. They're more complex and due to the high resolutions and graphical quality expected, assets are only getting bigger. Hell the assets are going to be 90% of the game, if not more.

Show us one

What would you title it, so people would want to click on it, but not make it "clickbait" ?

This type of website aesthetic:

web.archive.org/web/20001109012500/http://www.demondreams.com/

>Running small ISP for town.
>27 customers, 5 lines, $5 dollars per customer per month.
>Some kid is always on, downloading fucking nintendo roms 24/7, other customers start complaining they are getting busy signals too often.
>Terminate his service.

>My dad's b-day Fukemon surprise ended up being 2MB in size so I didnt post it
I want to go back

If you go into the website you can still download a .mpg of a girl in high heels stepping on a guys dick/balls.

Yes.

>Malicious ads have been around for years
>Web magazines use similar headlines as ads for their crappy clickbait
>people legitimately eat it up now
What the fuck?

Normalfags.

Remember when every single site, program, magazine, etc. told you not to reveal personal information online?

I propose we start an internet-purist movement where all websites are designed in Web 1.0 fashion. No facebook botnet like buttons, no twitters, just personal geocities style websites with pure information of interest. Not even tongue-in-cheek animated gif shit for laughs, but for genuinely practical reasons. Kind of like vaporwave except functional and elegant.

I can support this. You can even make a lot of moral and environmental arguments as lip service to silence the mockers.

I was also thinking of ripping out all the electric conduit and water pipes from the walls of my house because who the fuck needs it anyway?

I do like simple pages.
I read this page for a little nostalgia kick somedays
rinkworks.com/stupid/

Remember everybody asking for you to sign their guestbook? And the counters at the bottom that showed how many visitors they had? Or side menu frames like Sup Forums used to have for default?

>Remember when every single site, program, magazine, etc. told you not to reveal personal information online?
You do realize the internet had lots of personal information on it prior to common availability, right?

I miss that side menu
I also miss when no one took Sup Forums seriously.

>comparing necessities like water to "tweet this" buttons
You need to spend some time offline. Go outside, don't take your phone, walk around, talk to a stranger

well you can still use it, it's just not as functional nowadays with the site improvements or an extension
Sup Forums.org/frames

>site loads nearly instantly

This is the future we gave up on.

>who the fuck needs it anyway?

You do, for warmth and comfort.

How come as soon as people start talking about the merits of simplicity people sperg out and are unable to even comprehend the very concept?

But what about comments? I like comments!

Actually pretty much all the disk resources are spent on audio. Graphical assets aren't much of an issue it turns out.
Games really are getting more bloated, though.

>2001ish
>I'm 12
>Play this RTS game online
>Would challenge the best players in the lobby
>Host the game on AOL
>They'd lag out
>I thought they were quitting
>Would go back and talk shit about them quitting because I was going to own them

Honestly I can remember the day I got cable internet for the first time better than most Christmas with nostalgia

I don't think it needs to be that simplistic at all. I think the things we have access to on the internet now could easily have been done in a way that they didn't bloat.

Audio is assets. Textures and audio files are going to be the biggest things. A lot of games now have full dialogue and everything, even with some fairly unimportant characters, so that's going to take a lot of space.

Yeah, because it didn't have common availability, so who used them you think? Think a little before posting.

Of course they can. We had streaming back in the days of dial up, we just used a different program for it, meaning the browser could focus on rendering the web.

>textures
No.
>due to the high resolutions and graphical quality expected, assets are only getting bigger.
No. Stop backpedaling please.

Ok dude.

Back when I was like 9 my friend had dial up we would try to watch 'mature content.' It would take so long to buffer a reasonable amount of video that we would start buffering and pause the clip from the start. We would play gamecube for 15 minutes or so and go back to watch most of the clip.

I'm not saying discard any useful modern technology, rather use it only where necessary, not because you can. Shit like Bootstrap and jQuery aren't really crucial stuff for some blog for example.

If they're not linked to Google+ shit and you post them in an HTML form then no problem. It's called a guestbook, remember those?

Yes, I think the proper approach is to limit all content transactions to pure data. All scripts and shit should simply not exist; how you interact and see elements should depend on the browser itself. You wouldn't setup a navbar, but you would setup a sitemap and the browser would create a navbar from that.

>Yeah, because it didn't have common availability, so who used them you think? Think a little before posting.
What are you even trying to say, dumbass?

newsgroups

My point is that posting to a site is web 2.0, not 1.0. As you said, simple posting, possibly with markdown, is all we should need.

My point is more about eliminating bloat by going for bare-bones functionality instead of social crap and heavy scripts. You can have a modern backend being such a website but the content of the website itself would be very optimized.

Not not up with the terms, but basically im referring to internet circa 2000-2002. Content can be dynamic and you can "participate" via forums etc. but websites are still designed to load as fast as possible instead of trying to be pretentiously artsy or be frankensteined together to some service like Google Plus.

You could then do some really funky things with terminal browsers where the navbar goes in with the header and can function like a mini BBS menu. (H)ome (C)ontacts, etc.

>be 11
>find website
>there's this AMV I want to watch
>never see the whole thing, it's too big
>15 years later
>remember it
>find it on youtube, loads fine
and it was awesome

...

...

waiting for stickdeath animations or games on newgrounds. also the annoying sound.

youtu.be/0cVlTeIATBs?t=6s

I just didn't have an example of a slow loading webpage besides that one

Tried to go to stickdeath the other day, it's gone. At least some of them got uploaded to youtube

So Dogme95 for web sites?

damn. i was on there a few months ago. the archive is gone now...

pegging your CPU with loading FMV ads also gives warmth

I remember connecting to bulletin boards at 9600 baud. Later, got a 14.4 US Robotics for trumpet winsock graphical goodness.

I remember when we got ISDN (2x56.6k) so that we could use the internet and the phone at the same time. Fuck that, I used both of those lines for that sweet 113.2k speed.

I'd be the one downloading games for me and my friends. Some games would take me over 24 hours to download.

neocities.org is kind of about that.
Also it supports IPFS.

>upgrading to 28.8 and feeling immortal

I used to go to those kid chatrooms when I was 8 in 1998. They don't have those anymore because pedos ruined it.

>I can't wrap my mind around how bloated games are getting.
bringing a large world chock full of detailed assets to life takes a little more horsepower than spamming some low-resolution tilesets and plopping in a few featureless NPC bots with no depth or dialog

it's not really that hard to comprehend

Here we go again. muh nostalgia circliojerklio #387234

>Do we like slow internet connections?
No, you are browsing your shitty geocities archive even in the worst DSL will outperform 56k or any shit tier connection of the time by a factor of 1000. What brought about better infrastructure? the normies you hate so much. admit it, faggot!

>What is your best memory you have of 56K speed or under?
Exactly - what is your best MEMORY. As in, what is your best mis-remembering of the past on purpose.

You get into nostalgia threads because deep down you know you are a failure now and have no ambition or drive and are never going to be anything, so you have to pretend that you live in a time when you still had potential or a chance. The nauseating thing is you paint this made up bullshit "golden era" or "good ol' days" where you are browsing 2kb websites using your modern internet connection and making up shitty excuses when you run into a site where 99% of their links are broken or they're using a blown up 3800px .bmp file because css didn't exist at the time.

A similar phenomenon is when people watch political rallies from before they were born, for example the 50s. The only thing most people have seen made during this time are movies which involve a perfect world of scripts and actors. So they honestly form this idea in their head that everyone was perfectly happy and fine in this golden era, because all of the "bad" information has been wiped out because no record was kept. Political rallies are the exception and people's reactions to them are weird because it finally challenges this retarded made up view they have of how the world was, there were tons of angry people blaming each other and screaming on film. This is why there was no such thing as the "good ol' days" for the 30s - 70s and there were no "good ol' days" for the internet, you are just choosing to ignore everything bad.

The best days of the internet are right now.

>WWWYZZERDD

>come home from primary school
>play runescape
>just keep chopping wood and selling it because I didn't know how to play the game


the memories


I also remember using dial up to connect to cartoonnetwork something, maybe also for hotwheels.

oh hey it's that guy that likes bloat.

Yes, I think this approach would be very versatile like that.

Ah, I get you.

>meteor hits the earth
>sun is blotted out
>90% of surface and plant life die
>most people are mutants who live in mole caves
>a few old timers remember running water and cheeseburgers
>they reminisce about the aeroplane and automobile
>you pipe up
>"fuckin nostalgiafags nothing ever gets worse only better get with the times gramps"
>you smile smugly secure in your knowledge of the immutable laws of the world

who reads this shit lmao

>your sister was a phone addict and you only had one computer in the house.
same here, sort of

i had computer of my own before we got a family computer and internet access, but my machines were old, cheap garage sale dos boxes, couldn't really use them for porn viewing
was pretty excited first picking up a machine that could do 16bit high color, for obvious reasons

that's a lot of projection, was your dad a movie theater?

Thank you so much for bringing this up. Always wanted to do something like this but never had the platform to talk about it. If this does become a movement i'd like to know where I can keep in touch w news about it.

PS, check out Ryder Ripps' website "internet archeology" for neat ancient websites, all preserved

Could I have a look at one of your sites?

>dozen hour RPGs on cartridges
Sprites

>dozen hour RPGs on 700mb discs
256 colored 32x32, 64x64, 128x128, 256x256 textures

>now dozen hour RPG 40+ gigs
2048x2048, 4096x4096 full colored textures multiplied by diffuse, normal maps, this shader map, that shader map, a shit ton of sound samples, uncompressed audio, multiple language tracks

Hopefully much less pretentious and a lot more enjoyable.

early on (carts);
tilemaps of heavily reused/recolored tiles
no voice acting
synthesized music
no FMVs

later on (cds);
basic 3D overworlds, often combined with prerendered images for certain areas
sparse voice acting, if any
synthesized music with samples, maybe a couple streamed tracks
FMVs

now;
fully 3D overworld and areas, less aggressive reuse of assets
voice acting more common
fully streamed soundtrack
FMVs, but at least partially replaced with in-engine cutscenes (which are probably /smaller/ than FMVs, one positive)

>70s and 80s
>memory costs a fuccload
>90s
>cds make memory fairly cheap to manufacture
>now
>memory is cents per gb to manufacture

I'm currently on a 512kbps connection (3rd world shithole). Obviously, it blows, but especially now with how many random processes and programs eat your bandwidth without bothering to tell you. I'm looking at you, Dropbox, fucking updating yourself.
Turning on metered connection does help with the windows stuff at least.

>didnt get broadband until 2009
and the major isp's in my country have been stagnate on speed for over 10 years
gov fucked the fibre rollout

>uncompressed audio
Literally a meme.

Sup Forums talks about this quite a lot.

I was thinking about what these rules would be. Something like "No page without images can be larger than 1MB; any page with images must be smaller than 2MB." "CSS is allowed, but the page must FUNCTION the same without it."

Something like that.

Bring back a sense of art through adversity. As well as make people actually think about what they're sending out, which isn't something people in development have thought for a long time.

>click shockwave game
>takes hour+ to load
>it's a good game

>load flash video back when it was still shockwave flash
>takes 30 min on dialup
>friend accidentally closes IE
>gotta load the vid again
Yeah thanks dennis ya fuckhead