>Citing an enormous potential to reduce crashes on U.S. roadways, the U.S. Department of Transportation issued a proposed rule today that would advance the deployment of connected vehicle technologies throughout the U.S. light vehicle fleet. The Notice of Proposed Rulemaking would enable vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V) communication technology on all new light-duty vehicles, enabling a multitude of new crash-avoidance applications that, once fully deployed, could prevent hundreds of thousands of crashes every year by helping vehicles “talk” to each other.
>“We are carrying the ball as far as we can to realize the potential of transportation technology to save lives,” said U.S. Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx. “This long promised V2V rule is the next step in that progression. Once deployed, V2V will provide 360-degree situational awareness on the road and will help us enhance vehicle safety.”
PLEASE YES. >send false info >cars start crashing into each other >they backtrack immediately >millions of dollars wasted, lesson learned when it comes to sentient cars
Hudson Barnes
>Ford gets in on this >sends ping to nearest car >does nothing else
Jacob Rivera
Before you guys get all tinfoil hat batshit. This is a picture of robots designed to move products around a warehouse. The operate extremely quickly and efficiently. While there is a predetermined grid on the floor, the robots navigate around eachother merely by sending messages and deciding who will go first
Liam Torres
great picture, this really clears things up
Xavier Powell
Really makes you think.
Charles Evans
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Jason Rogers
ffs forgot pic
Jaxson Williams
post yfw V2V connection becomes as unreliable as PnP, Bluetooth and DHCP post yfw the crashes increase
Lucas Ross
I wouldn't have as much of a problem with this if it weren't both completely pointless (when was the last time you saw someone driving a 2016/2017 car?) and completely dangerous (do you really think they'll stop at cars simply pinging each other?).
of course it'll probably pass, though.
Alexander Sanchez
I already knew I was keeping my fifteen-year-old Civic forever when they mandated that all new cars have backup cameras in them last year.
Kayden Flores
>whining about backup cameras ???
Also your Civic is trash, I bet it has an automatic.
David Evans
>being too retarded to back a car in a straight line without a camera
Carson Thompson
You think that's the point of backup cameras?
Fuck, maybe self driving cars are a good idea...
Asher Cruz
It mandates that there be a screen in the car. So you can no longer buy a vehicle without some shitty "infotainment system" that wants to sync with your phone. The screen and computer has to be there, so now it'll be a standard feature, not something you can drop to save money and avoid botnettery.
idk about you but between three mirrors, a neck, and the ability to turn my body to the right to look over my shoulder, I don't need technological assistance to reverse.
I can read a map, too, instead of needing GPS to tell me where to go.
Hudson Harris
Unsafe dangerous drivers
Enjoy your new adjusted premiums
Making humans drive like robots will make roads safer
Oliver Wright
I self insure.
Anthony Turner
>It mandates that there be a screen in the car. Do you complain that your car comes with mandated mirrors and ECS too ?
Samuel Lewis
> I have no insurance
You are a criminal
Elijah Sanders
Go away fed shill.
Brandon Thompson
Have fun arguing that with your insurance agency/in court when you get inevitably sued. You'd likely get fined heavily and also potentially charged with a felony.
Isaac Reyes
Not wanting to use new technology != unsafe drivers
Jonathan Sanchez
New Hampshire doesn't mandate auto insurance, IIRC.
Mirrors don't flash lights at me and try to distract me like screens do. They also don't keep records of where and how I drive. They don't break unless physically struck, and are easy to repair if that happens, unlike a computer system.
Nathaniel Cruz
>I self insure. Unless you're not in the states, hasn't that been illegal for decades? Also >anons on Sup Forums having hundreds of thousands sitting in a bank account doubt.jpg
Alexander Jackson
>getting sued for not using new technology wtf has the world come to
Jeremiah Moore
Noncompliance implies that you don't have the mandated technology installed, which could lead to a suit.
Also that other dude advocated sending false data to induce a crash which would be a felony.
Cooper Garcia
>be journalist >get tracked to all your sources >learn something about government you shouldn't >"russian hackers" crash your car
The government can not force me to install their shitty spyware.
Isaac Morgan
This isn't surprising at all. This has come up in every conversation about fully automated vehicles ever.
Joseph Bell
Some idiot braking at the wrong time can cause a traffic jam, cars should stay in their driving safe space, the humans can steer the wheel.
Aaron Edwards
>Cameras are shit, shit! Okay buddy. Tell me about how you can see the cat that just wandered behind your car while you were tuning your analog radio.
>no screen >save money The screen in your vehicle is worth like $50 maximum. Probably less.
Anthony Flores
>purchase car >spoof its GPS location >"yeah there's a car driving down the wrong side of the freeway at 150mph we need all units available to converge pls"
kek
Asher Morales
>implying they wouldn't remotely drive you car into a tree
Camden Gray
by using my mirrors and neck? by paying attention to what I'm doing when I'm driving instead of watching twitter updates on my dashboard?
Jacob Flores
>implying you can read
Justin Cox
>take a wrong turn >car gets ransomware'd by Indians
Kayden Lewis
You're a moron. No it's not illegal in America to self insure. >doubt.jpg Doubt all you want.
Owen Miller
>get sued and become a criminal because I drive an old car Haha, they can try.
Lucas Rivera
>implying the police would chase after the car instead of remotely disabling it.
Lucas Smith
>by using my mirrors and neck? You can see an object in your blind spot? You can crane your neck so far that you can see a small animal directly behind your bumper and close to your vehicle? I seriously doubt that unless you're a giraffe that drives a convertible.
>while I'm driving You weren't driving. Your were sitting in a stationary vehicle and something wandered behind you.
David Carter
>Giving up liberty so you can save a small animal
shig
Ian Myers
What's up with all these news threads?
Nicholas Scott
if it's small enough that I can't see it while I'm turned around looking over my right shoulder, it's small enough to run over without damaging my car.
Source: I've killed squirrels that way
Zachary Moore
Fuck off. They're Sup Forums related for once.
Logan Cook
It's not uploading your location and amount of contraband to a satellite, it's just making a fucking beeping sound when there's a car in your blind spot.
Alexander Robinson
no shit. all it takes is for some loser company to make a shit implementation of this protocol and cause a 20 car pileup.
also to the people who want to "hack" their cars and send out false telemetry, i'm 107% certain everyone is going to implement some kind of secure boot or application signing to prevent this.
Noah Sullivan
agreed, better than the daisuki~ threads and the like
Bentley Collins
because that never ever gets cracked or bypassed, right? And because nobody could possibly just hook up a radio to a computer and broadcast whatever the fuck they want.
but those are cute
Jaxon Butler
What liberty do you give up by having a backup camera?
Kayden Sanders
the liberty to remain ignorant of whats behind you
Benjamin Johnson
> >millions of dollars wasted, lesson learned when it comes to sentient cars > lesson learned When has this ever happened when it came to government?
Jackson Barnes
>because that never ever gets cracked or bypassed, right? Yeah, pretty much. When was the last time a major company had their signing keys cracked by random miscreants?
Jayden Ward
>>When has this ever happened when it came to government? Government still hasn't learned that prohibition was a dumb idea.
Josiah Hill
>broadcast whatever the fuck they want they will almost certainly employ some kind of mutual authentication scheme like TLS to prevent people from doing that. the problem is, how can you verify a car's identity? you'd almost need to issue a digital certificate to each car, and of course when that happens, you throw any semblance of privacy out the window since now you've got a unique identification tied to your car broadcasting at all times.
Jordan Lewis
The liberty to not rely on a useless piece of shit that distorts your perception of distance, has more blind spots than looking over your shoulder, and shows you nothing but ice crystals in winter.
Gavin Gutierrez
How do you do this?
Noah Kelly
>It's not uploading your location to a satellite
Carter James
Did you even read op's post? It is not about blind spot detection.
Mason Reyes
>rely on You don't rely on it, idiot. It's there to supplement the other tools you already have.
Landon Johnson
In what way does the backup camera prevent your neck from moving? Have money in the bank.
Parker Bell
>when was the last time you saw someone driving a 2016/2017 car Literally everyday. A lot of idiots lease.
Plus if your car isn't compliant, they'll just raise your insurance prices.
Zachary Diaz
NOPE
how long until this becomes standard?
Euro V doesnt even take self/semi driving cars into crash scores yet.
euro vi and vii will though
Brody Lee
>TLS Ooh boy. how much you wanna bet that whatever auto-company pajeet that implements that forgets to validate certificates? What stops me from taking the transmitter out of a junked car and feeding it phony data from a simulated engine? How would you handle revocation? What CAs will cars trust? If they're anything like browsers they'll trust a gorillion shady ones from all over the world.
Noah Hall
It's a useless supplement. I had one in my car, I would look over my shoulder like normal, roads are clear, look into the backup monitor, and as I'm looking into it a car screams by. This happened so often that I altogether stopped using the camera. The amount of near accidents it caused was ridiculous. Fucking useless. I don't want useless features to be mandatory in any car I own.
Kayden Cooper
oh yeah just like all those self driving cars plowing into each other and mowing down pedestrians
fuck out the way Luddites
Aaron Sullivan
Sounds like it's you who is fucking useless. Pay more attention to your surroundings, retard. You use the backup camera to check what is behind you in your blind spot before you move.
Tyler Morales
those are all excellent questions. i'm sure someone is going to be paid a lot of money to pretend to know the answers to those.
>What stops me from taking the transmitter out of a junked car and feeding it phony data from a simulated engine? How would you handle revocation? if you're running the computer without an engine, then that would probably read as zero RPM or other weird shit to the computer. maybe that could be used to determine if transmit mode were available. but of course those signals can always be faked with some bitbanging from an rpi or something.
Jonathan Sullivan
>not being a Luddite in 2016 I mean, what are you even moving towards? This?
Brody Ortiz
>zero RPM is weird shit You realize when you turn a car's ignition to ON the electronics are running and the engine is off and that's why you see a host of warning lights, right? That's basically a normal state. A running engine isn't a requirement for a moving car, either.
Nathan Wright
The backup camera has no peripheral vision. It sees what it sees and that's it. You see more stuff behind you by looking over your shoulder.
You wouldn't drive forwards looking at nothing but a tiny screen showing a moderate-wide-angle view of the road ahead, why would you back up that way?
Adam Martin
I really hope commuting isn't your passion
Isaiah James
>technology a bad because a kid's movie showed it being used badly in a made up future! Please do just drop out of society
Christopher Howard
How could you so conveniently ignore how it's supposed to be used? Are you trying to be ignorant?
Tyler King
>why would you back up that way? You're not supposed to. That's what we've been trying to tell you. You glance at the backup camera to make sure there's nothing right behind your vehicle that you can't easily see.
Joseph Edwards
Being able to not have it in newly produced vehicles.
Lucas Foster
hey man, i'm just spitballing here. of course cars of the future might not even have RPMs to measure if electric cars catch on.
Anthony Adams
yeah great so who owns the warehouse that is the country of usa
Alexander Baker
I like driving, yes, but that's not the point. You'll eventually reach a point where humans aren't needed to do anything and then what will they do? Technology isn't bad but people don't seem to have a fucking clue about what they're going to do with it that doesn't end up making life worse.
Robert Sullivan
>2060 >Chinese botnet infects millions of cars >Every car in a specific geographic location shut down or crashed
Kevin Baker
I do pay more attention to my surroundings-- WHEN I'M NOT LOOKING AT A REARVIEW CAMERA!
Welcome to the point I'm making.
Jeremiah Hill
Holy shit you are a retard.
James Barnes
So I'm looking behind me, over my shoulder, at where I'm going when I'm reversing. Now I'm supposed to look away, towards the dashboard where the backup camera screen is, so as to see it's view of what I was already looking at?
Brandon Cox
>Lose argument. >Call opponent retarded. I bet you're the kind of person who thinks they're one of the people who can text and drive at the same time really well.
Eli Jones
You can text and drive at the same time, but that's not relevant here. You look at the backup camera BEFORE you start moving, retard. You don't seem to be able to comprehend that, you shouldn't be driving.
Adam Gonzalez
Then why doesn't the camera shut off when the vehicle moves?
Dashboards are smart enough to disable GPS interaction when moving so you don't crash, but won't turn off when you're not supposed to look at it?
Keep digging your grave with more shitty arguments.
Logan Sanders
simpler solution: Don't start moving until your head is pointed over your shoulder. That's easy to do, you know. You don't start going forwards if you're not looking through the windshield after all.
backup cameras are solving a nonexistent problem. They're gadgetry for the sake of having gadgetry.
Cameron Turner
>Then why doesn't the camera shut off when the vehicle moves? Because it can be used while the car is moving, such as to check the distance between your car and another car when parallel parking. What's wrong with you, dude? How do you function? >Don't start moving until your head is pointed over your shoulder So you have X-ray vision, huh?
Ayden Sanchez
>Toyota can't even code an accelerator pedal >Hey let's trust them to "talk" to our cars!
This will go well.
Aiden Powell
more like, if I see something behind me, or something that soon will be behind me, I don't take my foot off the brake. How is x-ray vision needed for this?
Xavier Russell
>Because it can be used when the car is moving You just said not to look at it when the car is moving. Which I agree with because it's fucking dangerous and why I think it's useless.
So thank you for doubling back and agreeing with me, moron.
Do you drive a lifted truck by chance?
Josiah Cox
Are you brain damaged? How can you see what's already behind the car in your blind spot just by turning your head? >You just said not to look at it when the car is moving. Yes, don't look at the display like a moron when backing out into a street, fucktard. >Do you drive a lifted truck by chance? No, bitch boy.
Wyatt Adams
>America >free >democracy >the majority is ALWAYS right! this is why we need voluntaryism, god this is depressing.
Parker Reyes
>You need to have backup cameras! They're so important! >don't look at them when you back up btw, that's just stupid
Sebastian Reed
>2019 >The Department of Justice and Department of Transportation have jointly drafted a bill requiring all motor vehicles to have a remote kill switch, which would have cars automatically pull to the shoulder, come to a halt, and lock the doors
it's a slippery slope
Daniel Barnes
You're just retarded, it's terminal. I'm sorry for you family.