Are we going to see efficient bipedal mechs in our lifetime?

Are we going to see efficient bipedal mechs in our lifetime?

of course doing labors and moving heavy things, they will never be useful in military like in muh animes, tank > battle mech any day.

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>lifting heavy things
>not useful in military
That's literally why the military is researching bipedal robots right now, to lift heavy things. That's a huge and often overlooked part of any military operation, things are heavy
Also infowars>metalwars

I just want Patlabor to be real.

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First off what do you need bipedalism for?

Second what advantages does such a system offer over say a crane?

Now if such things are built, the best way to do it is probably not the human form. The largest bipeds we know of are birds and dinosaurs.

The issue with actuators is not making them more like muscle fibers, it's torque to weight ratio. Actuators don't produce much torque for how much they weigh. This means robots can't lift much more than their own weight.

As far as energy efficiency goes, yes improving efficiency helps. However, muscles is not very efficient. Muscle is about 30% efficient at chemical energy to work

maybe in 20 years. We still need to improve Battery density and actuators. Surprisingly the AI aspect is probably going to be the first thing to be solved, judging by the advances being made in computer vision and machine learning. We need good nanomaterial scientists to solve these problems.

The backdrop of the cockpit makes me think this will be the end result.

I find the focus on bipedal contraptions to be pretty dumb.
There's no sensible reason to make them like humans.
The general use of humans isn't particularly well suited for robots. We can walk far.
With a robot you'd probably like more stability rather than having it be an efficient walker.

That said.
Bipedal robots are obviously all pr stunts. And they're effective as such. They might actually be the pioneering technology simply due to that

The biggest advantage of bipedalism is to walk upwards and downwards
Efficiency is a moot point when comparing humans to robots travel

why do you assume a bipedal mech is the most efficient or useful? the tachikomas from gits were superior and the battle tanks had more legs in order to have better balance.

did you ever play mechwarrior on xbox? you could knock the mechs over and rain hellfire down on them while they were disabled.

>First off what do you need bipedalism for?
It solves a huge existing balance issue. If a human can interface with the machine in an intuitive enough way they can also balance the machine on two legs, eliminating the need for heavy and space consuming counterbalances like on a crane. This improves mobility and power use by a great deal. Also cranes more or less require a flat level surface to work on. Bipedal mechs wouldn't have the lifting potential of a crane, but are useful in far more places and situations.

>having humans control the balancing
Fucking stupid. Humans trip all the time. It makes no sense to hold robots back like this.

Bumping, will write better response later

Humans are not good at lifting heavy things. In general humans have to be taught the correct way to lift things to avoid hurting themselves. Lifting heavy items is a common cause of humans injuring themselves in the workplace: osha.gov/SLTC/etools/electricalcontractors/materials/heavy.html


>>eliminating the need for heavy and space consuming counterbalances like on a crane
Of course, the center of gravity of the mech and the thing being lifted must be inside the support polygon or else it will fall over. Dynamic balancing will not fix this. Sure you can avoid falling over by falling forward(segways and other personal transporters do this) or bolting the device to the ground. Both of these defeat the point.

>>This improves mobility and power use by a great deal
Cranes have reach, which means unlike the mech they don't have to move over terrain to get something from point A to B. Unlike mechs, cranes can do regenerative braking moving an object from point A to B(some large cranes do this).

>>Also cranes more or less require a flat level surface to work on
and we encounter this where?

>> but are useful in far more places and situations.
if there are so many places and situations perhaps you can name a couple?

Do how know how complex it is to even calculate the equations for a robot of that complexity, let alone stuff all the electronics and mechanical shit into a tiny ass place like a fucking robot?

I don't think you're even aware of how EXTREMELY difficult that shit is.

>you will never pilot an Ingram named Alphonse while being supported by all your wacky friends

>First off what do you need bipedalism for?
Close maneuvering of very heavy objects
>Second what advantages does such a system offer over say a crane
Portability and ease of positioning in tight quarters.

>>Close maneuvering of very heavy objects
>>Portability and ease of positioning in tight quarters.
and why do you need a biped for that?

They're not the end-all for big machines. But they're probably the best general purpose solution for quick deployment and unknown/unpredictable/changing environments.

Can other devices perform better at tasks? Yes. A crane can hoist a greater load, but it's not easily movable, you need clearance between the ground and it's arm, and depending on the type, can only transfer things between limited points.

Consider it like humans to other animals. We're not the fastest, strongest, most resilient, can't breathe or perform underwater for long, can't survive extreme conditions, and require a pretty varied diet. but in all-around performance, we do pretty good.

People get hurt lifting things in general.
A lot of office workers hurt themselves when they pick up a pencil because they are lifting wrong.

What's this obsession with bipedal mechs?!
Just to keep them up and moving is difficult enough when they actually are suppose to perform other tasks.

of course its difficult but honestly look at tech progress in some areas in last 5 years, we are making big advancements.

>mobile suits where created to build space colonies
>just increase wall size ratio makes shit go faster

So, we're at a little bit of an interesting point as things are, when it comes to Bipedal robots.

Humans evolved to be bipedal, because it allows us to use less energy to travel long distances. Less muscles are actuated, less regeneration of torn/damaged tissue from being walked on, less energy could be spent during the growth process not having to evolve torso-limbs meant for permanent travel.

Now, these things hold true for Robots as well. "Legs" on a robot would have to have permanently engaging motors and systems, meaning 4 legs or more would use more energy. It's why Quadrocopters are more popular than Hexacopters/octocopters for consumers, as they consume far less energy (naturally, the more-than-4 rotor drones have uses in industrial and commercial aspects). Less parts have to be "stressed" during motion, and as well, less "legs" have to be produced, which could save money and energy in design and upkeep.

The issue we come across, is all of these "savings" are moot, if the sensors, balancing sub-systems, and more to offset the natural imbalance of being bipedal, consumes more energy than the legs themselves do to stand. Which isn't necessarily true right now, but could be when future generations of bipedal robots come about. However right now, we have issues make bipedal robots even move correctly at decent scales, so we're a ways off from using Bipedalism for efficiency, let alone any other benefit.

yes but the kinematics are very complex and it will take a while

Disinformation at it's best. Starting with what heavy means and not considering use cases.

They need to be bipeds, because the only way a machine can be made a God-machine, is to have it imitate the glorious Human form