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NVidia isn't fond of optimising for their old stuff. It doesn't help that they push whatever new feature they've shoved into their new cards with gameworks. This is pretty well known at this point, just not stated all that plainly.

AmemeD-tards joke about the 970 vram issue, but it still beats the new 480.

Heavily oced 970 beats 480 in majority of dx11 titles. The question is will it still go toe to toe with it two years from now. Kepler got cucked badly, seeing Maxwell's performance two years down the road will tell if Nvidia truly drops support for all 3 years old cards of it was just Kepler being butt fucked by changes in coding.

Maxwell performance will be decent until Pascal is obsolete and discontinued. Although that goes for DX11 and OpenGL only. I think Pascal has improvements for DX12 which means Maxwell would be left behind in DX12 titles.

My 780ti dropped 1.6% fps over 2 years.

It just took AMD 3 years to optimise their GPUs.
The 290x was already more powerful on paper.

Sold it for $250 to some retard 2 months ago

The entire article shows how badly kepler is doing.

THAT SAID the 780ti is massively underclocked out of the box - most AIB 780ti's are good for 1200mhz. I still wouldn't pick kepler over hawaii.

overclocking nvidia does effectively dick all because of the way they handle clock rates.

Kepler handles it better than maxwell and pascal but none of those have shit on GCN due to nvidia's clock domains.

GCN will forever remain an arch that scales with MOAR VOLTS.

>Nvidia already put a 1 gen old card in their legacy section.

>4 year old gpu can't compete with a new one
Oh my. That's unexpected!

Well, yeah. It's not being manufactured anymore. Duh.

At least legacy nvidia cards still get driver updates. AMD just abandons them.

>780ti
>4 years old

Its newer than hawaii. It remains if you upgrade every 18 months pick Nvidia, otherwise AMD is the smarter buy.

>rifle length A2 with HK steel magazines
>MAGA hat

We can be friends.

>November 2013 is four years ago
So how's Zen and president trump? Anything of note for us mortals to look forward to in the coming year, oh great time traveller?

if you want your shit abandoned buy amd

Tahiti is still getting performance boosts (albeit minor due to the shift to 8 programmable ACE in hawaii and newer) - the same cannot be said for OG kepler or its full fat bretheren.

Fermi is still getting driver updates.
Same can not be said for HD6000 series and most the HD7000 series cards (rebranded).

>Fermi is still getting driver updates.

Securty fixes =/= performance updates. While pre-GCN doesn't get shit fermi isn't getting any performance improvements either - just critical bug fixes that ensures it runs xyz software - not that it runs it well.

Lmao it's still getting optimised for dx11.

>stock card

Opinion discarded. Nobody uses stock gpus and it's been proven time and time again that any aftermarket 780 ti is at least on par with an rx 480 or better.

>this is what Sup Forums really believes

Kepler has fallen off a cliff - you think fermi is doing any better.

Remember when Nvidia promised DX12 support for fermi and then didn't deliver? Fun times.

Remember: stock cards can only be used for AMD - Nvida cards must always be factory overclocked.

That's not the point, retard. The point is that people love to meme about nvidia cards being gimped after 1 gen eg the 970 in stock benchmarks yet it's factual proof that literally any aftermarket 970 still holds strong today due to literally every 970 having a nice overclock out of the box. My room mates 970 can achieve a locked 60 fps in the witcher 3 1440p with an out of the box overclock of 1413 mhz yet stock benchmarks say it can barely hit 40 fps.

On the opposite site amd can't overclock for shit and are hence less future proof in my book. Just look at how a standard aftermarket 970 trounces all over an aftermarket overclocked 390 in bf1 in joker productions video.

>On the opposite site amd can't overclock for shit

if you are going to be retarded at least be retarded with evidence.

To wit: the average overclock for hawaii is 1150mhz (sauce: HWbot) and that tends to result in 12%~ gains.

You want me to take a picture of my 390 box? It was 1040 mhz out of the box and it would black screen after 10 mhz. My best friends 390 was exactly the same despite being a different brand. 20 people getting a high oc out of hundreds of thousands of sales of the 390 doesn't equate to it being a good overclocker, rajesh.

Meh as long as it's 60fps minimum there's no problem.

Sorry it was 1080 not 1040. I down clocked it to stop the black screens to 1040 in cs go

It's minimums are pretty poor there, you'd have some stuttering in the actual gameplay

>silicon lottery

On the other end of the spectrum my 290x will go to over 1200mhz core.

hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/radeon_r9_290x/

Where are the 4k bechmarks at

The 780ti can't even do 1440p very well

>4k

stop that meme

Nah you pick AMD if you play only AAA games. Otherwise you buy nvidia because AMD always has problems with obscure indie games, Japanese games and porn.

Nowhere unless you want the 780ti to die even worse. Gamersnexus did a test months (possibly over a year ago) showing scaling of cards in shadows of morder acorss resolutions and kepler (read: the OG titan) dropped off a cliff going from 1440p to 4k - something hawaii (the top GCN card at the time) did not do.

To be fair those games are nearly always cpu bound to the point gpu vendor doesn't matter.

Do you have any proof for your statements?

You basically just confirmed what I said. The 390 can't overclock for shit in the most cases because of the silicon lottery and because it's already being pushed very far out of the box (it's an oc 290). A 970 is undercooked at stock and most 970s come with around a 100/200mhz oc from the factory from Evga etc. Pretty much every 970 can hit 1400 mhz easily without effort and many people on YouTube can hit above role 1500 mhz which is above 980 levels of performance. I regret not getting the 970 over my 390.

WTF, I fucking love my 970 now

1400mhz isn't enough yo. On average the 390 is still faster.

youtube.com/watch?v=k9cKZiJw6Pk

See vid which is months old.

Oc'd my 390 to 1100mhz easy. bad luck Ying fu

Only anecdotal and I know it's not adequate for you. Regardless, for example AMD cards have problems in Space Engine. Works fine with nvidia.

It's not performance problems, it's just all kinds of glitches and crashes. Or refusing to run the program. Or lower graphics settings available. I think the problems are less common with modern cards, but you literally can't use some cards like the AMD HD 5xxx series anymore, even though it's more than adequate for most of these games. While at the same time they work with nvidia 4xx series and probably even 2xx series (I haven't tried those).

And yes, I still use a Geforce 460.

This is an OpenGL benchmark, DOOM in Vulkan beats the 970 easily.

I'm not watching this retarded video again. It's this video along with many other contributing factors which led me to buy a 390. I remember him hitting like 1250 mhz on his 390 in this video yet nobody I know has been able to get the same clocks. I also remember the overclocked 970 beat the 390 by a big margin too anyway.

>Otherwise you buy nvidia because AMD always has problems with obscure indie games, Japanese games and porn.

lol, name one that can't run on a toaster.

AMD did flatout state the last support for VLIW was the first crimson release (thats what, something.12.15?) though a few community hackls did ensure support for VLIW on a few newer drivers.

If mr "lol AMD" Jayztwocents is saying the 390 is better you can be fairly sure he is right given his unrelenting disdain for AMD is only bested by Kyle "fuck the nano" Bennett.

You are a legitimate retard. His post was an absolute contradiction of what you said. He said his 290 hits 1200, while you said your 390 hits 1060 despite being an "oc 290"

Learn numbers dumbass

we're you actually adjusting the voltage or just running at stock voltage?

Literally zero problems in any game, triple A or indie, msi 390.
Any game that does probably will under nvidia too because of shitty optimization.

>And yes, I still use a Geforce 460.

damn dude, dont you think its time to upgrade?

It's not optimization, it's just games not working properly. Performance is fine, once the fixes are in. Assuming it can be fixed. Some things like Space Engine are openGL so if you use AMD you're basically fucked no matter what until they decide to migrate to Vulkan or something.

Why? It still works.

He has severe confirmation bias. He said in an earlier post that he believes overclocking a 970 can yield 50% better frame rate. There isn't any point in reasoning with him; he's a sheep that just wants to buy the "hip" brand. He probably drools over those Kanye West shoes and would actually pay the hundreds of dollars to get them.

dolphin-emu.org/blog/2013/09/26/dolphin-emulator-and-opengl-drivers-hall-fameshame/#mediocre-amd
It's AMD's sucky OpenGL

That only matters if you're trying to do some upscaling and shit, my 7850 ran gamecube/wii games just fine

Didn't dolphin just get vulkan support? probably pretty early though, if implemented properly it should end up with AMD being faster

+30mv didn't do shit for me and I'm not going passed that due to the heat. The card already idles around 65-70 at factory clocks.

Sorry that I bought amd and it was shit. Don't know a single person who hasn't had problems with amd just like me. I have come to the conclusion nvidia is simply better in every way imaginable. I'd give you my 390 for free if I could afford a 1070 to replace it. It's a worthless gpu.

>can't even run maya without the cursor glitching

The unofficial build has vulkan support. For my usage cases its the best renderer by far.

Dolphin is one example. Point is AMD being bad at OpenGL especially when some dev cleverly utilized a rarely used extension. It doesn't have much problems with other APIs

Didn't you read what I posted? Even in a world in which AMD never existed, you would be an idiot.

Besides, I wasn't speaking to you, I try not to waste my time with subhuman scum. Kill yourself.

>inb4 AMD user
I use Intel/Nvidia at the moment, calm yourselves, shills

Your chip is clearly the issue if you're having so many problems, not AMD cards in general

>cleverly used
What makes you think that? How do you know the dev implementation isn't busted to shit?

>Why? It still works.

I guess if you don't use your computer for anything intensive then its fine.

still, you could get a huge boost to performance for very little money.

> How do you know the dev implementation isn't busted to shit?
Well yes. Maybe I should have written "cleverly". Rarely used shit is quarenteed to be broken on some hardware

To be fair AMD's Opengl is broken because opengl is broken. AMD sticks to spec like glue and that brings many danvtanges and in opengl's case, disadvantages.

Nvidia's opengl works explicitly because of a million hacks it uses to function.

try adjusting the fan profile?

Why would I call you out for being an amd user if I use amd myself? Sorry that you feel so ass mad that I had to tell the hard truth about how terrible amd has been for me and every amd user I know. Amd are just bad. Deal with it.

I paid the equivalent of $30 more for this 390 over a similar level 970 too. Amds global pricing outside of America is extortionate.

RX480 is such a shit card...and it fucking sucks that AMD will not release a new and more powerful card until the middle of next year.

I approve of this message.

I am saying your opinion is worthless because you believe overclocking a 970 can yield 50% better frames. It has nothing to do with AMD. Once you've said something so monumentally stupid, you're better off killing you self than expecting anyone to take anything you say seriously.

So off you go, find a nice short rope.

cursor glitches in maya could be any number of problems, most likely software. jumping immediately to "its the video card" is pretty dumb.

I have bought a freesync monitor in advance, hoping AMD would release a better card, but meh.

Anyone buying a new card that is not significantly faster than a GTX970 is an utter retard and should not speak about future proof on any level at all.

I'm going full ryzen and vega ands i'm going to enjoy it.

>freesync

That too as 4k and freesync are a match made in heaven.

Freesync is worst because it not work

>43 (tpu) to 60 is somehow 50%
>39% = 50% to the ass mad retard

I admit they probably tested with hair works on in the benchmark and the numbers should be closer but you really need to hit pre school again and learn that division.

I have a GTX 980 for when I need higher performance. I'll only replace the GTX 460 when someone comes up with an interesting graphics card. I was going to replace it with RX 460 when I noticed that you could unlock shaders, but decided against it because it's such a weak card even with unlocked shaders and the price isn't worth it when I can get a boring 1050 Ti for the same price.

No. It was a common problem on the 3xx series gpu in maya. There are threads in the support forums about it with difference fixes which shouldn't even be an issue in the first place. It's an amd driver issue.

Lol, there are not even real benchmarks released.

So, you are one of those shills that will enjoy X company releasing any stuff, even if it is shit.

Not gonna fucking spend money worth a highend PC for a freaking decent monitor with g-sync, which alone adds 150 bucks to the price shield.

well, freesync could someday be supported by nvidia so there's that. besides, maybe vega will get it done.

My input is anecdotal at best but here it is:
My r9 390 (asus' dcu2) comes out of the box at 1,000mhz
With the stock cooler it bsod's at 1,050mhz
With an nzxt kraken it easily hits 1,150mhz and stays under 40C
The kraken for OC was absolutely not worth the money and i woudnt recommend it, but that 15% OC with a cooler change is noteworthy

Fighting a 6900k in both FPU and integer loads is enough for me and I'm not buying a titan for gimped single precision whuch more or less means vega or bust for high edn vidya based upon expected performance.

>buying EVGA
enjoy that friend VRM's

does the GTX 980 just not exist anymore?

a driver problem is a software problem. if there are fixes then its even more of a non-issue.

saying "it shouldnt be an issue in the first place" is a meaningless statement, as though nvidia (and every piece of technology) driver and compatibility issues.

really the lesson to learn is to spend a little extra for a decent AIB. I usually go for a watercooled unit for my personal computer but the polaris MSI cards have been pretty good to me too (never breaking 65c at full loads)

dont have driver and compatability issues*

Not since AMD refreshed hawaiii and pascal was launched. The 980 has been horrific price vs performance since release.

While i agree with all of that, i should also point out that i got the 390 about 70$ off retail price while it was still among amd's relevant lineup
For what i paid, i'm happy. Overwatch maxed at 144fps is quite nice

on the chart would it be right below the gtx 1070?

APOLOGIZE

fair enough, if you can get a good enough deal then you can probably still come out ahead while buying an aftermarket cooler.

sometimes bad temps can also be fixed by reapplying paste. if you're continuing to get poor temps even after that (assuming you're doing the obvious things like giving your computer space and keeping wires relatively out of the way), then RMA is probably the way to go because you likely got a defective unit.

More like 1060.

considering a 1070 is about on par with 980ti I'd say its probably much lower.

> tfw MSI RX480 Gaming X 8G.

Feels good to be future proof

Nvidia isn't gimping Kepler parts. NuDoom prefers clockspeed over shader and TMU count.

That's why Pascal chips have a massive bump over Maxwell.

The benches just show a difference in architecture choices.

who cares when it supports multiple renderer backends including dx11, 12 and vulkan?

AMD has always been for price. I grabbed a RX 480 180$. Fuck yeah I'll go with the meme.

you need to open it up and apply new thermal paste. i did that and my asus 290x idles around 35-40C and doesnt go over 75-78C at max load.