You will never a wealthy cybercriminal

>You will never a wealthy cybercriminal

What's the point of working a job when you can sell 500,000 stolen CC's and become a millionaire?

It's so fucking easy. Why aren't we doing it?

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Because you could also get fuckin caught. And you definitely will.

I really don't want to get in jail, they don't even have wifi there

You'll get caught. The moment you step into US friendly territory, you're party vanned.

How do russians do it then

They live in Russia

why do they do it

are they even white?

They do it because it earns them money and the fsb are happy as long as they get they're their there their cut.

Why do we cooperate with their country then? Why don't we just treat Russia as a criminal/terrorist state and just sever our ties to them?

It seems they're the biggest source of malware, child porn, spam, etc. Why do we even do business with those niggers?

Why do you keep posting this thread? Either you're some retarded skiddie that bought babby's first dump from some warez forum, or you're looking for someone to spoonfeed you on how to cash out skimmed cards

Either way no one here is going to fucking talk about it

go away

Because 7k nukes that's why

Shut up nerd

Tell me how to cash out

Because $$$ trump's that shit. As long as some white folk or rich black guys are making money that shit is out aside. Sorry state of affairs, user

Send me $5 PayPal and I'll send you a great eBook

When you're finished reading you can consider deleting this shitpost

Oh well, at least their economy is crippled.

Too bad those botnet guys can't make their shithole country any better despite what they steal.

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Why would anyone create a book on this topic

Sounds retarded

That's true. It's still a shame places like that and Dubai (more so the human rights records, much like Russia) exist. Eh, can't so much about them as myself so I guess I'll leave it to uncle Sam

Idk, to trick people who like being spoonfed whilst being anally penetrated by a fifty inch silver spoon in their anus who come to Sup Forums asking stupid questions and not even putting them in the sqt

that only affects the people that aren't in the in crowd.

I guess we can laugh at them though.

Russia is a world leader in suicide rates (particularly for teenagers - 3x the world average), 2nd highest Opiate usage rate in the world, skyhigh alcoholism, average salary is fucking shit, High inflation, etc etc etc.

Looks like that malware not helping so much.

Kek, I didn't even realise. Yeah I guess that is somewhat deserved.

Also OP, if you were clever enough to be making money from this, you wouldn't be here asking this. You'd be learning how to or doing it, so av fun dreaming for now

Well...

They're just behind Afghanistan, the #1 consumer of opiates.

But that says little when they also produce over 90% of the world's supply.

>The largest producer of opiates in the world is Afghanistan to a total of 93% of the world's market.[3]

Ah yeh, Afghanistan.

Fucked up place ATM sadly

93% of opiates produces there, Jesus Christ

>Also OP, if you were clever enough to be making money from this, you wouldn't be here asking this. You'd be learning how to or doing it, so av fun dreaming for now

I'm just triggered that people are making so much money off this while I'm missing out.

Should I just buy CC's on alphabay and use them for buy thingS? Is it even worthwhile?

Yeah, but think for one fuckin minute. They're making money because they're acting. They're acting in a motivation and are putting actions into place to get them there.

>People with more money than me hurt sure

If you wanna do this shit (not that I'm encouraging it), lurk around certain places and earn how it gets done then just replicate that.

If you're going to buy cc and use them, think about what address they're being ordered to and consider the accounts may be blocked when you aim to use them online. Idk why you'd buy credit cards from people who commit fraud to make money.

Green text was meant to say hurr durr

>If you wanna do this shit (not that I'm encouraging it), lurk around certain places and earn how it gets done then just replicate that.

I've read about it, for a long time.

But I'm still unsure if it's worth it. I'm trying to weigh it but I'm not sure if it's worth the effort. Seems pretty safe and worthwhile honestly.

the only people who get caught seem to be ones running MASSIVE Operations that earn millions, or people doing it in store.

I see what you're getting at with your last sentence. However, you've got to be thinking about opsec from now on if you've not before. Again I'm not encouraging this, in fact I'm gonna just shut up now since I actually don't want people committing crimes.

Of course i will use public network or some old person's cracked ol' WEP network and vpn + RDP to do the deeds

I'm just unsure if it's worth it, is all. I guess if you do little things here and there

Ha, you said it, not me.

However, if you're posting here from a five eyes country on your home IP about this shit, is it wise?

Eh, Idk what country you are from or in so idk how likely you are to get caught.

>However, if you're posting here from a five eyes country on your home IP about this shit, is it wise?

I'm sure they have much better things to do.

True, until you're being investigated by the police for fraud.

That's when this shit matters. You need to be proactive paranoid, Nigerian. If not, you're just intentionally leaving breadcrumbs behind. They probably won't get you, but what if they do? Even at a 99% chance of not investigating you, would you want the 1% chance they have at finding shit on you to be out there or logged? Look at what happened with the silk road stuff. Learn from past incidents and use opsec. If not, have fun getting caught (rightfully so IMO, since crime is crime). Also, typing in broken English might help. Wouldn't want any experts to trace through your speech or typing patterns and correlate shit there. Also, posting times. So much to take care of I guess. Just be careful out there user.

user i just don't know if it's worth it.

is it even worth bothering with. What right now is stopping me from going onto alpha bay and buying a bunch of CC's at $5 each or whatever the hell price and ordering shit with them?

Well...

1) you run the risk of getting scammed. Like I said these people are fraudsters. Out 2 and 2 together
2) let's assume you buy them and they work 100% (which is the least likely scenario in these shits) - you buy stuff and make sure you cover your ass when you use stolen credit cards to purchase goods online.
3) the card owners will have notified Visa and other MasterCard people that their card was stolen and have either a/) cancelled the card or b) flag the system when you spend their money
4) you buy the cards and can spend what you want with no consequences.

Now, please tell me if 4 is the option that works most of the time, why doesn't everybody do it?

Answer: it's not that simple.

You're risking a lot. You might get away with it. You'll probably get shafted or caught doing it. Idk if you're deluding yourself into thinking you have a better chance of getting away than being caught, but if you think you can protect yourself enough, why not go for it? Pay x$ to alohabay and at the worst you just finding some fraudsters pockets. Hopefully that will knock some sense into you or make you realise you want to be the one selling the cards.

Because your government is shit scared of Russia.

>1) you run the risk of getting scammed. Like I said these people are fraudsters. Out 2 and 2 together

They have escrow, plus it's unlikely. The only real concern is exit-scams, which again aren't that common.

It simply is not good business practice to scam people, you won't get return customers.

>Now, please tell me if 4 is the option that works most of the time, why doesn't everybody do it?
>why doesn't everybody do it?

Don't they?

Fraud, particularly credit card fraud is a massive industry. It literally steals BILLIONS of dollars per year, and researchers only estimate it to grow. In pretty much any given country, millions are lost per day due to fraudulent transactions. That DOES seem like everyone is doing it.

Hmm, I can't deny you're right about the exit scam and the whole scamming customers you want return business from . I do apologise for that. (In most cases). Okay, well I think you can understand why I won't be agreeing with you pursuing it. What are the reasons you're personally holding back? Given that you make a pretty convincing argument

>What are the reasons you're personally holding back? Given that you make a pretty convincing argument

I feel it's immoral, but on the otherhand I don't want to be a fool that misses out on this.

I have true concerns that eventually this problem will be fixed (as it should) and I would have missed out on making lots and lots of money.

Go away, Kevin.

Alright, respect for at least thinking about the situation before you act. Gotta say, that can be rare.

Let me let you into something. The position I currently hold a a uni student studying computer security, I have had ready access to a certain number of people's accounts for a good while now and I'm in the same situation as you. It is waiting there to be used and as long as I cover my tracks I should be okay, but the thing I've been thinking is. If I use this set of login details once, I know in y head that I've breaches what I personally stand for and ultimately am working to protect against. On the other hand, there is some juicy shit I could get with them. This right here is bad opswc but I'm fairly sure which direction I'm taking with my life but one can never be 100% sure. Of course it is tempting as fuck because I know I have to ctrl c and ctrl V two fucking things. What I'm trying to say is if you want to contribute to the billions a dollar a year credit card fraud industry go ahead, that's your choice, and you will be shaped based on the path you take. You make a good point about the financial success though. Credit cards are usually insured as you probably know, so you might feel a bit less bad for doing it. It's the ultimate question of morals vs self financial gain. I know in this fucked up world which one I would be tempted by but I'm just not sure I want to contribute to the problem. I am only one, but one of one thousand etc.

Gonna say again I respect you for thinking before you act either way. If you can get away with it and not be caught and feel it's a victimless crime why not.

Like you said if you miss the whole financial thing you might consider it a large missed opportunity. What are your thoughts now? Still the same?

>What I'm trying to say is if you want to contribute to the billions a dollar a year credit card fraud industry go ahead

Look user. The way i see it, is that this fraud WILL CONTINUE and WILL be billions of dollars a year, regardless of if I partake in it or not.

I just don't want to miss out. My goal in life is to make as much money as possible. I want to be a millionaire by 30 years old. And if I don't make use of this I'll miss out on a lot.

>If you can get away with it and not be caught and feel it's a victimless crime why not.

Of course there's victims and damages. Money is gone, it went from somewhere. People pay for it.

It probably passes down the costs to the customer, via temporary inconvenience + the fees Visa/MC/Amex charge, which is reflected in product prices (The store obviously wants to keep same profit margins), much in the same way that physical theft is priced into cost.

Point is that I want to make money. I'm not going to be one of those communist fags who say shit like "Le evil big corporations and evil banks will pay for it xDD" to justify theft, it's obviously wrong no matter who you steal from.

That being said, I think my mind is near made up.

Alright, well at least you considered the alternative. It will continue on without you you're right but participating makes you part of the machine I guess. If your mind is near made up there's not much from here that will stop you.

Also considering your goal it's pretty appropriate. I enjoyed talking with you btw, very interesting to hear your perspective.

Same reason you're allied with fucking Saudi Arabia despite them treating women as objects and chopping hands off. MONEY$$$

Thank you user.

I'm still unsure about this all. As I said I've been doing some research into this (a lot actually) and it seems like the people who get caught are either literal niggers who smell like KFC and weed and go into Apple Stores to buy $8000 worth of iPads in one go, or massive multimillion dollar operations.

Everyone else seems to slide by.

Seems like if you work entirely by yourself besides buying shit from AB the chances are low.

Kek, yeah, the dumb idiots who don't take a fuckin second to think "hmm, handling stolen goods, might be a good idea it to be an actual retard".

I guess that's good. Self Darwin Award inducing and natural selection is a good thing sometimes.

That's interesting. So you're not the big player at the top or the idiot at the bottom. You'd be closer to the bottom just because you're not operating botnets but if you've done your research and know how to protect yourself I guess you have a pretty good chance of getting away with it. When did you start researching this shit? Years or months?

>When did you start researching this shit? Years or months?

Just reading Security Researcher blogs, carding forums, reading about news stories, FBI releases, cases in my area of people getting caught, what those people got, etc etc.

People who commit fraud are obviously subhuman trash that should be caught and killed, but hey I want money. If you can't beat them (just yet), join em

You're a deluded faggot bro. What drops are you going to use? Good luck ordering shit to your own fucking house, aside from having to resell for cash. If you knew fucking anything you would simply go sqlmap some shit sites, run the dump through a PayPal checker and sell whatever valid creds you get. 0/10 troll

Haha, fair play. You're recognising what you're doing and for that, again, I can only give respect. Idk man, given you've done a lot of research, go with what your head says.

If you did you'd gotta be fully accepting that you might end up in jail and whatever that entails. The whole jail thing is a pretty good deterrent to smart people, but then, like you said, there are people that just aren't tards and get by fine. Best of luck in your life user

For what it's worth, even if he was trolling, I think it gives us an insight on how people who do this sorta shit think. They made valid counter points to my arguements and articulates themself well. If they get caught, we can laugh at them. If not, well that sucks ass. They know what they're doing. If not they'll get caught.

>What drops are you going to use? Good luck ordering shit to your own fucking house, aside from having to resell for cash

I would order it to abandoned houses or find some dumbasses from Craigslist looking for a "work from home" job, and tell them I need someone to ship and receive packages for my startup. Something like that anyway.

>you would simply go sqlmap some shit sites, run the dump through a PayPal checker and sell whatever valid creds you get.

I don't think that works in 2016 (almost 2017).

>If you did you'd gotta be fully accepting that you might end up in jail and whatever that entails.

Simple cost-benefit analysis seems to work out in the favor of it.

The average punishment is like a few years in minimum security prison, which isn't all that shabby.
Hell I was reading about a guy guilty of $100mm fraud who only got 5 years minimum security, only had to pay like $5 million fine too, so he got to keep pretty much the rest. Not a bad deal imo.

OP has no valid counter arguments. His entire operational setup relies on the fact that he can order shit to his fucking house. In reality, carding is easy if you have a cashout method that works. The people who actually have a valid op wouldn't be making posts on Sup Forums asking why they don't do it.

That is the most retarded method I have ever fucking heard. And yes, it does work, how the fuck do you think people get dumps to begin with? Maybe it won't be as easy as sqli, but even if you go brute force some mysqls you'll find good shit, learn 2 exploitdb skid

Bruv, you are fuckin' stupid, and WILL get caught.

>how the fuck do you think people get dumps to begin with?

Dumps are gotten with POS malware or skimmers tho

>WEP
>2017-1 month
Confirmed tard. Why wouldn't you just use tails.

You'd need 1000 workstations infected to get a few hundred cards, 1 exploit to get a database of 10,000..... You're a huge retard

Old people in my neighborhood still use it.

I don't see why I couldn't drive around in neighborhoods in nearby towns to use it to add an additional layer of anonymity.

Seems like a lot of effort for just using tails, but that's too complex for a skid

>POS malware
>Workstations

nigger u wot? What are you talking about. If the actual point of sales itself is infected you can get millions. A la target or home depot or any of the other big breaches

This is still not the exclusive way to get cards.

It's the best by far.

How else will you get millions of them?

You say the best, and yes, if you can do it you'll reap the spoils, but there is a huge difference in skillset required for it. OP will have less luck physically carding and likely a better time via exploits and legit haxoring

How else to get millions? As I say, you only need one exploit, some shitty RFI/LFI, get root and just dump everything.

>All you need is his one little trick

Doctors hate him

Guess you're right

Better get crackin, i was relying more on botnet or just buying them, seemed easier.

but also would it be easy to sell them? Seems you need to be more established before people actually buy.

It's definitely a buyers' market.

Yes, if you know where.
You say it's a buyers market but the risk difference is insane, accepting BTC vs having to retrieve physical goods and source multiple locations to drop at

Yeah that's absolutely true, but on the otherhand most shit would probably fly under the radar.

I've bought $400 with my real ip and to my house once, nothing happened - i'm guessing because there's so many cases they just don't care.

Btw how profitable are botnets?

You said only a few hundred cards per thousands of bots? What about with Banking bots? Isn't it a literal goldmine when you can just transfer peoples' money over directly.

Kys faggot

You can't transfer direct tho
You need a solid payout method

Mine is PayPal -> Virwox -> second life currency -> BTC lmao

Dumps are better than botnets desu
You can sell botnets but it's a shit niche desu, your FUD payload WILL get detected in a month, it's an asspain , even for ddos amplified is stronger / so much easier and cheaper so imo can't see too much gains for conventional botnets ( I'm Implying local workstations not servers / iot devices , this is another game)

Because we don't want a fucking world war

>You can't transfer direct tho
>You need a solid payout method

How the fuck did all those zeus and other faggots do it then?

Furthermore why are bots so cheap? If you can make thousands off a single transfer why is malware sold for that or less

>Dumps are better than botnets desu

Only 201 here unless bypass chip requirement somehow by jewing them

>Mine is PayPal -> Virwox -> second life currency -> BTC lmao

why isn't everyone doing this btw

and what do you think about this, i saw it posted on /biz/

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Zeus and shit by being dirty russians, paying students 200$$ to use their broke ass account etc

Bots are sold cheap because it's easy to mass harvest when you've got a working setup. Still not too cheap tho, 500 for 500usd. Also, bot herders don't want to card, 500 usd in bitcoin is so much safer than carding themselves.
No idea bro. People think it's super hard. The biggest ass pain is PayPal locking unless your proxy is in the same city. Meh. Similar method to using virwox. But idk why you wouldn't realize amazon cards can be tracked. And resale of the Amazon card would loose some value ( nobody will buy a same value amazon card they may as well go to Amazon themselves legit) but his rdp concept is pretty standard

>get they're their there their cut.

How about the Stripe thing (2nd part of paste)

>Zeus and shit by being dirty russians, paying students 200$$ to use their broke ass account etc

tfw you never got to cash in on this
Did we miss out?

Opiates should be legalized like most other drugs.
Then Afghani farmers could sell legally on the world-wide market, instead of selling to Al-Qaida drug lords.

Gee I wonder why you would want to maintain a friendly relationship with one of the biggest world exporters of oil and gas hmmmmmm

As some other anons said it's somehow reasonable for countries to do business with saudi arabia where it is perfectly legal to stone someone to death for adultery. Gee I guess they just must be very funny chaps ;^)

Arabs are better than Russians.

Seems like he's getting a lot better rewards when it works , bigger risk tho using a third party, but idk seems like it works well for him

I cry when I read about kids making millions off banking bots.

Is it really this easy?

Why don't you just move to America and work hard?
In America everyone can get rich with hard work.

Source: Republican party

Why not both?

it's easier to work hard on a business when you have starting capital - capital obtained through crime.

Then indeed getting rich is made even easier with hard work.

Someone here care to explain some of the acronyms like cc or direct me to a place where I can lurk and learn more about this stuff?

Do these cybercriminals ever set up fraudulent ebay account with their stolen docs?

e.g. fake seller account, ccs, pay the account for an item that doesn't exist. Seems less sketchy than receiving items at a physical address.

AB alphabay
CC creditor country e.g. Germany

In some cases, sure