Help me set up our kickstarter page for buying Sup Forums from mook

Help me set up our kickstarter page for buying Sup Forums from mook.

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japmoot is never going to sell Sup Forums. He wants to cash in on suckers who thinks funds are running low.

Even that jew will sell if we can offer enough money, anyways, help with this reward page, i don't know what to put in here

Each reward is a stake in running Sup Forums. You should not submit yourself to be ruler based on others money.

It's be a foundation, i want the site to run and be improved upon long into the future.

I don't want to give stake in running Sup Forums to people giving money.
Ideally no rewards should happen, we get the money, kick mook out and start the process to make the Sup Forums foundation.

We will be completely transparent with the community and we will take the best decisions for the site.

People who are best at the job will get a seat at the board and people who are dedicated and can be trusted, i don't want to give someone who has a bunch of money control, just look at mook.

>I don't want to give stake in running Sup Forums to people giving money.

Then you're not getting any to begin with. Why should anonymous users trust another anonymous user. Trust no one but yourself.

Sorry OP but I'll only trust a "Sup Forums foundation" started by moot himself.

sage for off topic.
When Sup Forums inevitably goes belly up, I would like to reg and host it as a community and find a way to keep it running forever, so that there isn't a single point of failure, like with moot or hiro. Pass will still be a thing, but only for no captcha. Donate or die would happen as often as necessary (which I expect to be once every couple years). There will be no politics of any kind, all political discussion will be deleted on sight. Normalfag boards will also not come back, every board MUST be about hobbies. Newfaggotry will be banned. Overall, admin/mod intervention will be a lot more noticeable.

also this.

That sounds absolutely awful and I hope it will never come to pass. Banning newfaggotry will kill the website and heavy moderation will destroy the rest of what makes Sup Forums what it is.

>Banning newfaggotry will kill the website and heavy moderation will destroy the rest of what makes Sup Forums what it is.
How do you figure?

You have no idea how much banning all the twitter and facebook and reddit shit would improve the website. You just want to shitpost.

Because we want the site to as good as possible and having a bunch of rich people telling the rest of us how it's going to be will not get us anywhere.

moot is gone, he sold the site and got a sweet deal at google.
I'd give it to moot he didn't try to milk us or fuck us over like mook is but neither has moot really done much to improve the site, we need the site independent from one single person.
I propose a foundation, one with the purpose of keeping the site alive and improving on it, that will insure that it will be kept alive but most importantly that it won't be controlled by only one person.

But do tell me, what do i have to do for this to succeed?

you're not describing Sup Forums to me, you're describing something like facebook or reddit, Sup Forums is neither of those places, Sup Forums is freedom to say what you will, on sfw boards that is limited but on boards like Sup Forums there is no limit

the facebook and reddit shit isn't by newfags but by older users that like to see you rage about it.

we need new and fresh blood to the site, many boards have gone stale because people have left but nobody has come in and filled their spots

>neither has moot really done much to improve the site
Every once in a while, there's threads about what could be done to improve the anonymous imageboard experience, and they literally always end with "it's fucking perfect as is and any improvements made would just make it more like reddit", and I agree with that. What could moot or hiro have possibly done to make this place any better?
>new boards
Yeah and look at how /d/ had a fucking meltdown when /aco/ was created. /news/ is a ghost town. The only new board that deserves to stay is /his/.

>Sup Forums is freedom to say what you will, on sfw boards that is limited but on boards like Sup Forums there is no limit
Shit's freer (less heavily moderated, but only cause of a lack of resources) than other websites, but as far as I'm concerned, this place is about discussing interests and having fun. Using it as a political activism platform is genuine faggotry of the highest order. If you want to do that, there are better places for it.

I would love the website to be independent but everything else you described was awful. The fact moot rarely interfered is what made him a good admin in my opinion. Everyone dreams of getting the reigns and cracking down on everything they don't like. Getting rid of the boards they don't post at and making sure moderators only allow the content they approve. And that's exactly what should not happen.

>Because we want the site to as good as possible and having a bunch of rich people telling the rest of us how it's going to be will not get us anywhere.

So kickstarting a buyout is a bad idea to begin with.

You're either brand new or are in denial that fags from twitter and other social media websites don't post here because of the elections.

>What could moot or hiro have possibly done to make this place any better?

More tools for self moderation. Moderators surely can't do a good enough job.

>More tools for self moderation
Self moderation is impossible because the website is too big. People who just want to shitpost because of the epic screenshots they've seen on /r/Sup Forums outnumber the people who want to actually have a quality discussion.

Going along that line of thinking, I believe that the only self moderation we need are blue sage/Heaven and more willingness to post LURK MOAR.

Bringing back public sage would benefit this site big time, I see no downsides.

Of course it's possible. Tools for shaming people like visible sage or even selective OP-moderated threads to some degree akin to /qst/. "the website is too big" that's an empty argument. How does being too big influence self moderation when the latter is applied at a smaller scale for instance?

>What could moot or hiro have possibly done to make this place any better?

What about the general performance of the site? Why do images take forever to download? Why does the site just break randomly and isn't accessible for a day or two at a time?

What about the malicious ads in the archive? What about the new invasive ad panel? What about /vip/ and the little icon de-anonifying people with Sup Forums passes? What about people with Sup Forums passes being able to post faster than regular users?(not the no-captcha thing but the actual option to post more often)

>Using it as a political activism platform is genuine faggotry
If anons want to discuss politics on Sup Forums or Sup Forums or other boards were that might be relevant, then let them, if it isn't against the boards rules then there is nothing wrong with it.
I wouldn't allow that sort of censorship, even something like gamergate, i would allow it aslong at it doesn't become spam, if that happens we'll have to contain it to a few threads at a time but i would not have that in the constitution of the foundation, anything that's allowed to be talked about on the board should be allowed.

And i would want better regulation of the mods, they have gone rampant and even destroyed communities on several boards.

i've probably been here longer than you, election talk should be allowed on appropriate boards

Would you rather have a completely transparent foundation that has the site's interests at heart or mook?

having ids back on Sup Forums would help alot, removing them was a mistake.

Having features like Sup Forums-x integrated into the site in some way would improve its usability

I'm not talking about talking about the elections. I'm talking about people who don't belong here think it's their epic shitposting website have come here in huge numbers in more recent years. The elections hurt this site big time.

The problem is parading to be a single person who knows best or is pure enough. No one will buy into that when their money is involved and they realistically have no say. Promising a say is no the same as actually buying one.

>improve its usability
javabloat should stay clientside.

>What about /vip/ and the little icon de-anonifying people with Sup Forums passes? What about people with Sup Forums passes being able to post faster than regular users?(not the no-captcha thing but the actual option to post more often)
These are all things that hiro thought were good. They are not, as you can easily tell.
>What about the malicious ads in the archive? What about the new invasive ad panel?
Caused by hiro's insistence that he's bleeding money hosting this place.
>What about the general performance of the site? Why do images take forever to download? Why does the site just break randomly and isn't accessible for a day or two at a time?
Money problems. You can't throw money on a Mongolian pottery painting BBS board when it barely gets by year to year. Seriously, if moot had the money to make this website faster, why the hell would he have gone on to get a 9-5 job at Jewgle?

>If anons want to discuss politics on Sup Forums or Sup Forums or other boards were that might be relevant, then let them, if it isn't against the boards rules then there is nothing wrong with it.
Yeah sure, I had no problems with politics up until I started seeing that shit show up in every big board. If political posts stayed on the politics board, no one would give a flying dildo. But they don't, do they?
>even something like gamergate, i would allow it aslong at it doesn't become spam
Summer of '14, during the Five Guys incident, literally a quarter to half the threads in the Sup Forums catalog on any given day were about Quinn.
>And i would want better regulation of the mods, they have gone rampant and even destroyed communities on several boards
I'd like one example where it wasn't completely deserved.

I completely understand what you mean but i just don't see it happening, having people that can throw that much money on the site for a throne is not the right reason they should be given money to buy the site in the first place.

yes, but it doesn't have to be an external plugin for the site, let it rather be an option for people that want to try it.

if people are being off-topic on boards with required topics, then they have to be warned and if they continue, banned for a period of time.
The only reason the american election has influenced us so much is that Trump has been such a meme machine, and ofcourse we have taken that to us, Sup Forums hasn't helped it either and now that he is the president-elect, we will see alot more of his memes in the future, that is something we have to accept.
And lastly shitposting should be on /s4s/ or Sup Forums

If more efforts were made to keep mobilefags out, it would work out for everyone.

>These are all things that hiro thought were good. They are not, as you can easily tell.
That's what i meant, they are all bad things that hurt the site, i was implying that he hasn't helped the site, rather the opposite.

>if moot had the money to make this website faster, why the hell would he have gone on to get a 9-5 job at Jewgle?
That's one of the points i wanted to bring up, moot hasn't done that much for the site, if he had taken more interviews or tried to spread the word more, we would have had many more users on here, which inturn would have generated more revenue but instead he kept quiet.

>But they don't, do they?
This is a problem with the mods not being regulated, too often is someone banned or threads deleted solely on the opinion of that mod, not because someone broke the rules, we need accountability for the mods, mods are not gods, they should not have that much power.

>Sup Forums catalog on any given day were about Quinn.
Anything that's on topic should be allowed but if it becomes spam then we have to regulate it, my suggestion is to only have 1-2 threads of this on-topic spam allowed and if the threads get overpopulated we can extend their livespan to keep the spam contained, not impossible to do, very possible solution.

>I'd like one example where it wasn't completely deserved.
I have been perma-banned before, when i came to appeal the person that worked on my appeal did not understand why i was banned at all, it was clearly just the mod not liking me.
We have the /ban/ or whatever it's called that let's people see who was banned for what, do silent-bans show up there? i don't know.
What i would like to see there is someform of id for the mod giving that ban, so we atleast have some way to see how's giving which bans and why. Oh and i'd like to remove silent-bans or atleast restrict them, they do not benefit the site.

There's nothing wrong with phoneposters, plenty of us have used our phones to post when not on our pcs, there's nothing wrong with that, i would want us to have an official Sup Forums app on android and ios, as an foundation we can justify getting these made or acquire clover or one of the other existing apps and make it official, how we'll get it on those platform is something i'd have to think abit more over, we could justify it as freespeech or have an age-restriction on those apps to get them on those devices, i want our site to grow and get stronger, the cancer that's killing us is mook and the cancer before that was the inability to present ourselves to the world and let everyone know what this place is.

What do i as the founder of this foundation and this kickstarter, what would i have to do to gain the trust of everybody on here?
I'd go unanonymous if that's what i'll have to do and the more i talk with you anons about this, it seems like that's the only option or else we won't get founded.

This post has to be bait.

senpai, i'm serious, if you don't think i can do it, just look at the last american election and tell me again that i can't do it, i will succeed.

You can fuck off if you're not baiting, normalfaggotry is part of whats killing this website.

That's what you think, except you're completely wrong, the lack of new users is what's killing the site.

>which inturn would have generated more revenue but instead he kept quiet.
All for the better, in my opinion. Do you really want to talk to newfags who don't know shit and constantly spam their retarded facebook pictures without understanding the culture. Self moderation would help, but it wouldn't go a long enough way.
>too often is someone banned or threads deleted solely on the opinion of that mod, not because someone broke the rules
>mods are not gods, they should not have that much power
>too often
>implying
I've gotten away posting dolphin porn for hours on threads that went 342 posts and 122 image replies omitted. I can see what you mean though, mods decide what is "in" and what's "out". It's my opinion, and I think everyone can agree, that we need oldfag mods, mods who can recognize board culture and differentiate it from newfaggotry and crossposting. Ultimately, what this does is it forces posters to get to grips with the board they're on. If this thread was to get deleted right now under GR8 and I got banned, I would give no shits. Mainly cause I agree with every rule on the rules page. That would be one of the things I wouldn't change about this place.
>it was clearly just the mod not liking me.
What were you banned for?
>do silent-bans show up there
No, but there's no reason for silent bans to show up anyway. /banned, I think, is just a showcase of faggotry that isn't tolerated. If you were silent banned, it's mostly a case of you simply not following rules.
>Oh and i'd like to remove silent-bans or atleast restrict them, they do not benefit the site.
Then just make all bans public bans. Simple, no?

There's 5 of us samefagging this thread to oblivion and I doubt anyone's lurking. This isn't going anywhere, Jethro. I'm sure that when the website keels over, the IRC will be abuzz with a whole bunch of mods and janitors and anons who would be eager to try and glue together all the humpty dumpty pieces, though.

>Do you really want to talk to newfags
We were all newfags at one point, people have to start somewhere and not getting new blood in means we don't regain our numbers when people leave.

>that we need oldfag mods
If we somehow hit gold with the foundation and had infinite resources, we would hire mods that are paid to regulate the site.
Unfortunately that isn't going to happen so instead we need more transparency on why people are banned and who banned them, mods can't go around banning whatever they like/dislike.

>What were you banned for?
I can't find the picture right now, it was basically this picture but the user facing forward and i think i was talking shit about someone on Sup Forums in that one post, got permabanned several hours later, i didn't break the rules though.

>If you were silent banned, it's mostly a case of you simply not following rules.
That would make sense but i think the mods are using it to just remove posts and hoping nobody would notice.
I think now-a-days, silent bans are the majority of bans that are happening right now, if we had only the old system were a post would be marked as "USER WAS BANNED" then that would have been better, but i think most mods know that some of their bans are not fair and just have gone to using silent bans entirely. Silent bans don't benefit the site and we would probably be better off without them.

>Then just make all bans public bans. Simple, no?
Yes, so simple and would greatly improve the banning system upfront, yet it isn't being done.

>would be eager to try and glue together all the humpty dumpty pieces
There's an endless supply of Sup Forums clones, but they have all failed, why?

>not getting new blood in means we don't regain our numbers when people leave.
So how is it that, without moot giving any public appearances (which he has, just not that many), we still get newfags? In smaller numbers, they are easy to deal with, but shit like the Fox report and the "who is this Sup Forums" on CNN bring in way more newfags than usual. Word of mouth gets the job done man, that's how I and all my friends found this place. Hell, that's how Sup Forums is recruiting right now, except they're doing it via social media. I'd wager that Sup Forums is more profitable now than ever, but at what cost?
>i was talking shit about someone on Sup Forums
>Note: "ZOMG NONE!!!1" applies to moderators as well.
Sup Forums moderation has always been laissez faire.
>but i think the mods are using it to just remove posts and hoping nobody would notice.
They started doing this with "reply to this post or your mom dies tonight" shit and my god, it feels so much better.
>if we had only the old system were a post would be marked as "USER WAS BANNED" then that would have been better
I agree wholeheartedly. Nothing on Sup Forums gives me more joy than seeing Yotsuba r34 get public banned.
>but i think most mods know that some of their bans are not fair and just have gone to using silent bans entirely
Again, I don't think so. People always complain about being banned and always, not usually, not most of the time, I mean ALWAYS, there's a good reason for them getting banned. Even if it weren't directly in violation of a rule and they were just acting like a complete fucking faggot, the community would agree that the ban was deserved.
>There's an endless supply of Sup Forums clones, but they have all failed, why?
Because they're not Sup Forums. It's also no big secret that Sup Forums was brought back after being killed by mot himself.

The last thing i can find is like 5years old. Publicity, not advertising usselves is not helping, we need to spread the word and get more people here.

>Word of mouth gets the job done man
Plenty of people on here don't mention this place, it's somehow shameful to talk about Sup Forums anywhere, because all that brings up in people's heads is Sup Forums, Sup Forums isn't Sup Forums but that's what the world thinks, we need to change that, let people know what this place is and that Sup Forums is a small part of it.
The people we get in from CNN and such, i'd doubt they would stay for much, i think most of them leave but some might stay.

>I'd wager that Sup Forums is more profitable now than ever
If we're to believe @Sup Forums on twitter, the site is struggling to break even and that's why /donate happened, i don't mind that we allow donations but if we're struggling to pay the bills then why not just tell us how much we need to stay afloat.
If the foundation was a think we would know exactly how much was needed to keep us up and even better we might get tax-cuts because we're an non-profit foundation who's sole purpose is it keep this site and it's community alive.

>"reply to this post or your mom dies tonight"
those posts are fine on Sup Forums but on other boards they are meant to derail the topic.

>a rule and they were just acting like a complete fucking faggot, the community would agree that the ban was deserved.
I think the rules should be followed, i don't think we should allow this form of partisanship, we have rules for a reason, to keep the site running without too much shitposting but if a post doesn't break the rules then that poster shouldn't be banned, in alot of cases the bans are unfair, a warning would be better, what if a mod could only ban you after you've gotten 2-3 warnings first? what if there was a mute function were the mod could mute you for a hour or something, something were you aren't entirely banned for a couple of days to weeks at a time.
We have to think of...

... more like a justice system, where the person who would be banned has to defend themselves from getting banned, it needs to be fair for that person.
Have you ever gotten banned when there were still users in that thread you got banned in that shitposted even more than you? but somehow you were the only one to get banned?
Why? that's not fair.
The system has to be fair for the user.

>Because they're not Sup Forums.
Exactly, even if the site completely died, we would have a hard time to get something alike back up.

I've tweeted at mook on twitter.com/hiroyuki_ni
Asked him how much he wants, we'll start there and go on with the rest of my plan when we have a number to go off from.

I'll probably have to use my real name and identity to get us through this, it'll be a big price to pay but i'll do it.