I know it is associated with some of the most obnoxious shitposters, but you can't deny a good distro just for that. Those shitposters are just a small subset of its userbase and because they are mostly present on Sup Forums it's easier for you to generalize. And even if they are the majority, even if they're all the lowest scum of the earth, you still can't deny this: > Arch has a great package manager. > Even though it's rolling release and has the newest packages, it's still quite stable (never had a problem). > Official repos combined with the AUR have approximately as much packages as in the Debian repos. > Even if a program is mising from the repos, the ABS allows you to easily make a package out of it and install it via pacman. > Also, it spawned the greatest GNU/Linux wiki that mankind has ever known and 99.9% of it can be applied on any distro.
If the distro is good and works for you, who cares about it's userbase? Nobody's making you interact with them anyway.
Overall I think Arch had more good than bad influence on the FOSS world and I don't think it deserves the hate that it gets.
learn how to shitpost you bash arch, as its popular here not argue that its being unjustly hated, as its not lurk more
Jason Perez
> Arch has a great package manager. Nothing too special. AUR is a gem, however. > Even though it's rolling release and has the newest packages, it's still quite stable (never had a problem). Nice anecdote. > Official repos combined with the AUR have approximately as much packages as in the Debian repos. So why not just use debian? > Even if a program is mising from the repos, the ABS allows you to easily make a package out of it and install it via pacman. Just make install? > Also, it spawned the greatest GNU/Linux wiki that mankind has ever known and 99.9% of it can be applied on any distro. For desktop use it's quite great, but RHEL docs are pretty fucking good as well.
Basically arch is probably the best desktop distro along with Fedora, but it's not a miracle distro people make it out to be.
Joseph Perry
the logo is hideous.
Justin Turner
>worst community >shitty package maintenance practices are called "rolling release" now >only a matter of time before your install gets broken >it's always the fault of the end user aka everything wrong with GNU
Ayden Ortiz
I once tried antergos and it broke upon reboot. Not sure if that reflects on arch tho
James Taylor
>only a matter of time before your install gets broken >it's always the fault of the end user
Thia is truth for every distro if the end user is retarded
Isaiah Watson
You seem like a nice and smart guy. Here, have an upvote!
Aaron Price
[x] worst community
Colton Thompson
I don't use it, I use debian.
Jaxson Hughes
>> Arch has a great package manager. >Nothing too special. AUR is a gem, however. the client is a lot better than the mess that apt is in apt based distros. >> Even though it's rolling release and has the newest packages, it's still quite stable (never had a problem). >Nice anecdote. Most people don't have any sort of problems with arch. I'm not him and I haven't either. >> Official repos combined with the AUR have approximately as much packages as in the Debian repos. >So why not just use debian? Because it actually has a lot of shit debian hasn't. Look any new emulator, it is in arch and not in debian; the same for most recent projects. Rolling release distros obviously are much better if you're going to be using this sort of software. >> Even if a program is mising from the repos, the ABS allows you to easily make a package out of it and install it via pacman. >Just make install? Are you fucking kidding me? If you don't see the convenience of having the program installed through your package manager it's because you haven't used linux for more than a week. >> Also, it spawned the greatest GNU/Linux wiki that mankind has ever known and 99.9% of it can be applied on any distro. >For desktop use it's quite great, but RHEL docs are pretty fucking good as well. ...
Ryan Martinez
this is true for most linux distro's. Arch's isn't that bad. Debian's, ubuntu's and fedora's are much worse offenders.
Juan Reed
Arch haters are mainly wintoddlers
Brayden Rogers
OP is absolutely correct, and displays not so much as a hint of any latent or flagrant homosexuality. Arch werks breddy gud.
Grayson Garcia
In the end it's all the same which distro you use because they fundamentally work the same, unless you are using Gentoo or Slackware. All the big players use systemd and packages can be found for pretty much everything.
Arch is the best because it doesn't come with shit apart from the basic system.
running selinux+grsecurity is possible though but man is it fiddly and unsupported on arch. when i thought i had it, i got so many little bugs that i can't even..
selinux prevented pretty much every bit of software to compile i wanted to run from the aur with this its unusable as a day to day setup at all what is what i wanted to use it on my laptop for.
i also got zfs braking on arch kernel updates on other machines at the start of this year with arch and zfs-dkms wouldn't play nice with grsecurity when even attempting this (maybe i messed up but i think it was by design)
i pretty much ended looking for other options after a short time
fedora has support for selinux but lacks good grsecurity support and realy didn't look like it wanted to be customized this way. i also don't want to reinstall my system every 6 months and hate rpms so fuck that
ultimately decided to just run everything on gentoo because who cares if it compiles a lot from time to time. gentoo seemed much more stable and update resistant with this configuration.
conclusion: arch should finally stabelize selinux support and buildflags for it. i am unhappy because that hasn't happend this year as far as i am aware.
soo.. only stable choice for a secure linux this year: gentoo. wtf?
Aiden Wood
>Arch is the best because it doesn't come with shit apart from the basic system.
I think all big name distros offer a "base install" option. Arch is great because it's rolling release and has bleeding edge vanilla software which means you're always going to have the latest features.
Josiah Martin
>using SELinux
Why? The only reason to have it if if you have a huge enterprise level network and don't want a pissed off admin to fuck up the network and access stuff he isn't supposed.
Jaxson Thompson
every day i tell myself that this board can't get any dumber god i need to leave this fucking place
Dylan Garcia
> Arch has a great package manager
Can someone explain why exactly ? I've only used apt
Kayden Torres
Thats not why you use SELinux From the wiki: selinuxproject.org/page/Main_Page >Access can be constrained on such variables as which users and applications can access which resources. These resources may take the form of files. Standard Linux access controls, such as file modes (-rwxr-xr-x) are modifiable by the user and the applications which the user runs. >Conversely, SELinux access controls are determined by a policy loaded on the system which may not be changed by careless users or misbehaving applications. SELinux also adds finer granularity to access controls. Instead of only being able to specify who can read, write or execute a file, for example, SELinux lets you specify who can unlink, append only, move a file and so on. SELinux allows you to specify access to many resources other than files as well, such as network resources and interprocess communication (IPC).
tl;dr; SELinux prevents a application running on your system to do shit. further: SELinux+GRSecurity is a further sandbox for your shitty Firefox/Chrome and the like.
an alternative to this is firejail, although that requires a patched kernel too and builds in a user root mode that is a potential exploit so..
Kevin Perez
> Even though it's rolling release and has the newest packages, it's still quite stable
typical arch user, doesn't even fucking know what "stable" means
Josiah Richardson
pacman -Syu pacman -Ss yaourt
Luke Wood
It's not slow as fuck, like apt is.
Nolan Murphy
>yaourt >not pacaur
Ayden Price
What are the differences ?
>pacman -Syu apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade ? >pacman -Ss apt-cache search ? or for Ubuntu, just type the name ? >yaourt Not sure exactly what's the purpose
Isn't the speed just limited by the bandwidht ?
Wyatt Baker
>pacaur >not yaourt
Jeremiah Watson
We had a few threads on this the past couple of days, and it has to do with weasel words, relating to the words "breaking" and "a moment", or more importantly your view on what should be handled manually by you, and what time is to you. Keyword: to YOU.
Arch really and genuinely is the best distro if you're an autistic piece of shit. Allow me to elaborate. Consider the following sentence: >I used Ubuntu and it always explodes for me what we're focusing on is: >I used That is true, when you try to manually do everything, it will freak out and crash, because distro maintainers know that even a P4 is faster than your shitty "manual control", and didn't have a condition for which you disable everything to calm your autism. But towards YOU, it does appear to that every time you use another distro, it breaks. You just keep either forgetting to mention or forgetting that these things have been all automated since 2002, which is why you keep running into this problem. YOU.
Now let's take a look at the other side, when Arch breaks: >It only took a moment to fix arch the few times it broke for me Few times it broke for me, per week, per day, is absolutely equal to the "moment" it took to fix it for you. Because if you are interested in Arch, your time is 101% worthless. "A moment" could mean 5 minutes or 500000 minutes, because time is worthless to you. YOU.
You need to keep both of these things in account when you read these statements together: >I used other distros and they explode for me >Arch has been pretty much perfect for me >YOU.
Carter Baker
>Isn't the speed just limited by the bandwidht ? No. When apt/dkpg updates its package database, it's just very slow at doing it.
Isaiah Rivera
Simple syntax, Ability to access AUR rather than individually add PPAs, ability to easily build and install custom packages and have them integrated into you pakage management system.
Jaxon Flores
Archlinux is the dumbest available distro, it's just the win10 of linux distro. Winfags use archlinux because AUR is like chocolatey, so they are not lost.
Eli Richardson
this is the saddest attempt at bait i've seen on this website you have you go back
David Richardson
>firejail, although that requires a patched kernel too and builds in a user root mode What's a "user root mode"?
Jaxson Gomez
sage
Wyatt Brooks
Arch noobs prefer to use shitty AUR packages than the official ones because they were used to use chocolatey on Windows and after 3 or 4 days they break their archlinux and shitpost on Sup Forums.
Christopher Cruz
>Arch noobs prefer to use shitty AUR packages sage
Jack Parker
>Sage is a downvote >Tripfagging You need to go back
Daniel Butler
>back To /r/unixporn? They told me you guys like desktop threads.
Nicholas Butler
i am going to link this thread in my suicide note
Jayden Johnson
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Jose Bailey
Archfag detected
Ryder Hernandez
Arch Linux IS a suicide note, it's just really elaborate and takes 5-10 years to finish.
essentially its a kernel namespace that is run as a user where the process that runs in it thinks it has root rights, but can't manipulate the rest of the system because its just a root for that namespace
again a feature that arch choose not to enable, see the bugreport. you might get that on gentoo or chromeos though.
Noah Garcia
thank you kind stranger!
Owen James
>used both >it's basically the same thing
Evan Turner
Fuck yaourt. Use pacaur.
Angel Phillips
why though
Grayson Sullivan
Arch doesn't break -- except for morons like you.
Grayson Flores
Try them both - see for yourself.
Ryan Williams
the oficial hated distro is Solus (or at least the las month)
