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Other urls found in this thread:

openconnect.netflix.com/en/software/
freebsdfoundation.org/testimonial/netflix/
arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/netflix-finishes-its-massive-migration-to-the-amazon-cloud/
smile.amazon.com/dp/B01MQDNJ9D/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1FI0I062X1H8K&coliid=I2DE2KR39AEL9B
net-informations.com/q/faq/encoding.html
differencebetween.net/technology/protocols-formats/difference-between-ansi-and-utf-8/
community.clickteam.com/threads/89160-ANSI-vs-UTF-8-vs-Unicode
man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-current/man1/ed.1
portsmon.freebsd.org/portsoverall.py
over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/03
freebsd.org/handbook)
twitter.com/NSFWRedditVideo

I plan to switch to TrueOS after I get another computer and am out of college.

I'd like to know what the best alternatives there are for Windows':
>AutoHotKey (scripting that can hijack and replace keystrokes)
>Rainmeter (Is Conky good, or is there better? Would I be better off making my own in Python? What libraries?)

Also, can I get the following to run easily on it, and using what emulator? (WINE?):
>Kindle for PC
>Discord (the app, not in the browser)
>Steam (although, of the stuff I listed, this is less important, though would be nice)

BSD sucks at emulation. And no, true OS is not usable. Just like any other BSD distros

Whats the point of BSD then, I'm just gonna use it to post screeshots on Sup Forums?

Routers only. Not even screenshots are posted here in Sup Forums, nobody uses it per se. I think there are 3 BSD users at max in Sup Forums

BSD is dead. Every version of BSD out there isa hacked up mess created by autists who like to pretend they are great old Unix wizards when the actual Unix wizards all moved to Linux like any rational person would.

Not even OP will will come along to tell me to hang myself. That really tells you something.

Just install FreeBSD, it's not hard. Neither is OpenBSD. You should be ashamed of wanting to use proprietary software that takes away your freedoms, though.
But yes, FreeBSD can emulate Linux, and while emulating Linux, you can use WINE, as WINE is a Linux program. Never heard of rainmeter or autohotkey though.

>Emulate Linux to emulate windows
>Otherwise enjoy your 32 bit emulation layer'
>A BSD fag that never heard about certain software
Not surprised at all

It's not like I use Windows for anything but games when OpenBSD is a usable desktop, so there's no reason why I'd know nonportable Windows software.

But anyway, as for replacing keystrokes, you can usually do that with xmodmap or xkb, sometimes even your window manager.

ssh [email protected]

I don't need any other games

t. OpenBSD user

>not needing angband or adventure
Plebeian.

hmmm
alright, I'll look into that

yeah, b/c like AHK allows me to, say, type "x[some command]x", and it would replace the text with something else, like I have one that swaps "xnowx" with the current time (04:44) or I can get 2016-12-29 by typing xdatex.

I also use this for custom auto-correct scripts and to open different programs or directories (the pause/break button opens my media directory, for instance).

>Just install FreeBSD, it's not hard. Neither is OpenBSD.
I know it's not. I have a test version of FreeBSD on an old netbook.

I was considering TrueOS, because the Lumina DE looked pretty good.

>You should be ashamed of wanting to use proprietary software
There's nothing wrong with proprietary software. There IS something wrong with non-standards software, though (Windows).

>But yes, FreeBSD can emulate Linux, and while emulating Linux, you can use WINE, as WINE is a Linux program.
Alright then.
Although I was more specifically interested in those 2 specific apps (Kindle for PC; Discordapp). I'd be most concerned with Kindle for PC, though, since it stores data a specific way.
There IS a Kindle for Mac, however, and since Mac is UNIX-compliant, the file structure would probably not be an issue with saving textbooks. Can WINE emulate Mac, too?

Netflix uses BSD
Whatsapp uses freeBSD
its far from ded

And ps4 is also BSD

I see.
You can install Lumina on any BSD, and the documentation is fine, so you'll easily be able to set it as your default if desired.
I use OpenBSD, and WINE, being a unportable Linux program, isn't available on OpenBSD, so I don't know about WINE. Just pirate some PDFs.

>You can install Lumina on any BSD, and the documentation is fine, so you'll easily be able to set it as your default if desired.
Hmmm, ok. That's fair.

>I don't know about WINE.
Oh, ok.

>Just pirate some PDFs.
I usually buy my books.
The reason I don't wanna lose the functionality of this program is because it's extremely advanced.
>pic related

Actually, I just looked it up, though, and WINE supports Kindle for PC and will run on FreeBSD for most things.
So, I should be fine, then.

I buy books too, but a digital file not made out of paper isn't a book: it's information, and no information should cost money.

Netflix actually uses Amazon S3 which runs on Linux.

Yet none of them has BSD desktop client


Cuck license at work, lads

>source: my ass
openconnect.netflix.com/en/software/

freebsdfoundation.org/testimonial/netflix/

The servers that serve Netflix content are Amazon S3 servers, they do not run BSD.

I don't know what an open connect embedded netflix device is and I have never used one.

The client software runs on Android and Windows, and the server shit is on S3.

Ignoring evidence doesn't make you look very smart.
>I don't know what an open connect embedded netflix device is
Wow, maybe you should have read the link.

Netflix switched to Amazon a long ass time ago. You are posting shit that is a decade old.

[[citation needed]]

arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/netflix-finishes-its-massive-migration-to-the-amazon-cloud/

ongoing for years

oh crap I forgot the picture.

>it's information, and no information should cost money.
But those who write code or create works should be compensated for their effort.
The information can be obtained elsewhere, though not always in the best format. Authors of books take information which may be freely available or may not be and convert it into digestible material. Therefore, you are not purchasing "information" in a raw form; you are purchasing a right to use "formatted information"

>you don't even read the own articles you link to
Netflix operates its own content delivery network (CDN) called Open Connect. Netflix manages Open Connect from Amazon, but the storage boxes holding videos that stream to your house or mobile device are all located in data centers within Internet service providers' networks or at Internet exchange points, facilities where major network operators exchange traffic. Netflix distributes traffic directly to Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, and other big network operators at these exchange points.
Once a customer hits the “play” button, video is delivered from one of those sites.

i.e. all the streaming comes from FreeBSD machines. Only non-streaming functions went to Amazon.

>l the streaming comes from FreeBSD machines.
for now*

discord works natively on linux tard

Delete all those C books and get The C Programming Language, second edition, and some man pages.

>and some man pages.
Just need an honest answer.

Have you ever actually made any practical C programs? Like ones that are not fizzbuzz? Like have you ever made ONE project that people use/contribute to?

Yes, netcat.

I said real ones. Not obscure relics

netcat is not your program

And the PS3 and Vita

>damage control
No wonder you can do nothing on Sup Forums but call people fizzbuzzers: your intellectual capabilities aren't advanced enough to do anything else. Please try a different board, like /soc/.

Are you actually pretending to be the creator of netcat?

I was not aware of that. I still use Windows for at least a few more months.

But, that solves the problem. Thanks

>get The C Programming Language, second edition
I legitimately asked a friend about that book, and he said it wasn't that good. Moreover, it's old AF and outdated.

Also, "ANSI C". Why not UTF-8?

>Delete all those C books
I also will not be deleting them, because I spent hundreds of dollars on these books, and they are extremely useful. They have excellent highlighting features, text sizing, and I don't need to use the default white background for the page (I prefer sepia, because my eyes are extremely sensitive)

>and some man pages.
Yeah... either practicing or elsewise, I use those as a last resort, at least when I was testing Linux... They are so badly formatted.
I'm thinking of investing in this book, though:
smile.amazon.com/dp/B01MQDNJ9D/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1FI0I062X1H8K&coliid=I2DE2KR39AEL9B

>man pages as last resort
please don't use BSD, stay on windows

>t. the netcat creator(!)

>Also, "ANSI C". Why not UTF-8?
Please tell me this is a joke. ANSI is an organization that sets standards, UTF-8 is a standard.

fuck no, faggit
the entire Windows system is broken as shit.

The man pages need to be updated significantly in most things.
They're good for checking the flags you can use with the programs, but the explanations are not the best.

ANSI doesn't support UTF, though. UTF is an ISO standard.
net-informations.com/q/faq/encoding.html
differencebetween.net/technology/protocols-formats/difference-between-ansi-and-utf-8/
community.clickteam.com/threads/89160-ANSI-vs-UTF-8-vs-Unicode
Just pick one.
Yes, ANSI is an institute, but it also refers to the encoding scheme of using a single byte per character. This scheme, in particular, is pretty much replaced by UTF-8.

man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-current/man1/ed.1

Ok, to be precise, I thought you were referring to the man command, like in the CLI.

Those are very difficult to read over due to formatting.

I wouldn't mind that webpage, though. That's decent. It's pretty well organized, too.

But, regardless, I see no reason why I shouldn't get a book on it... especially an electronic book.

Everything about that picture is the worst stuff I've seen in my lifetime.

Why?

Now you know what Sup Forums fizzbuzzers read.

I like FreeBSD.

Other companies, besides Netflix, Sony (PS3, Vita and PS4 aka OrbitOS) and WhattsApp, that use BSD include but aren't limited to Citrix (Netscaler), NetApp, Apple (although arguably only the process model, netstack and VFS are still used nowadays), NASA (through Wind River Systems, used to be part of freebsdmall and cdrom.com), Dell (their line of SANs, specifically), Juniper, Panasonic, Verisign, Yahoo, most mail servers on the internet, ScaleEngine - and those are just the companies which openly acknowledge it. If you've ever worked with embedded systems before (think PoS, ATM and PLCs), you'll know how heavily BSD is used there.

Thanks. You've saved my ass many a time.

Yeah, soon enough they'll migrate the rest to it too ;).

Trolling Sup Forumseniuses aside, Netflix won't switch to Linux pretty much ever because Linux isn't capable of delivering content at the speed of FreeBSD and the GPL is problematic to ISPs. Netflix gives the code back, but they don't need FSF lawyers knocking on ISPs doors asking about a CDN that the ISP didn't build.

I never said otherwise

Orbis OS is BSD derived, not a BSD.

>56 posts
>14 IPs
>most posts are shitposts
really fires up the good old neurons

Normally I'd reply but the image in OP gives me the impression this is one of those thread shitters that spams the regular BSD thread.

he is, he also replies to his own thread as you can see

it's funny that he's always telling us to stop making threads then he does shit like this

Got a ID for a regular BSD thread?

I want to try out *BSD, but I like being able to do things with software from this decade. Wat Do?

Run FreeBSD.

>botnet
kek, which one of you guys did this

Not me, but that's pretty fucking funny.

Aren't the repositories shit though?
And nobody develops programs fro FreeBSD unless the Linux program is finished and polished, and the dev feels like wasting time
But I like the fact the FreeBSD is a Unix system that is developed as a whole OS, not a clusterfuck that is GNU/Linux

There is the ports tree too

No. According to portsmon.freebsd.org/portsoverall.py there's over 26000 ports available, and all are precompiled for tier1 architectures (x86 + amd64, and soon to be ARM).
The vast majority of people who develop for Linux still manage to write POSIX compatible code meaning it's literally just a makefile and a bit of testing away from going in ports and thereby getting a package (since packages are auto-built from ports), despite the stance of people like Lennart Poettering who's literally against POSIX and want to see it abolished and all of Linux be 1 OS.
Well, apart from the licensing debate, and the fact that FreeBSDs development is controlled by a democratically elected core team, not just 1 guy, that's one of the general philosophical differences that underpin the BSDs in general, that an OS can't be complete without things like a base system ( and a compiler (clang/llvm, used to be gcc but gcc is still in ports) - much of this is discussed on over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/03 if y've got too much time.

As an addendum to this, a package is a precompiled binary similar to Linux binaries except on the BSDs they come from a central repository rather than an absolute assload of different pages (although the source files for the ports still come from the developers or their mirrors).

can I use the ports tree as a repository with the standard package manager?
Because if I can that is awesome
might switch to FreeBSD today

nvmd didn't read wow, I didn't know that I was so affected by the GNU/linux shills memeing against *BSD
It makes linux look like a makeshift router OS

BSDs are literally quite often used as a router OS though

lol bsd.

that's the meme

If you type 'pkg install nethack35' it fetches an automatically compiled version from pkg.freebsd.org which has been made by using ports and pouridere on a set of servers run someone involved with FreeBSD (technically I think it's Dan Langille who hosts them).

Another big thing about FreeBSD (although I'm told this is much less true now than it was back in 2001 when I started using FreeBSD as my daily-driver OS), is that the documentation is abso-fucking-lutely fantastic. There's a handbook (freebsd.org/handbook) and several specialised handbooks (like the porters handbook - for making makefiles for ports, developers handbook for people with a commit bit (not something that's easy to acquire), and plenty of people on the mailing lists and irc channels who are actually interested in helping provided you aren't asking stupid questions that's covered by the handbooks).

No worries. It's not always easy to keep track of what's bullshit.

Correct (see: pfSense, or a few closed source projects), but that's primarily because of the netstack and its stability and support (it was first to have full ipv6 support through kame.net - something Linux still doesn't have). It's so stable it got used by NASA (Wind River Systems) for the Mars rovers Spirit and Oppotunity.

In the wise words of , lol internet.


A I really that much of an oldfag? Fucking hell, time flies.

>being this annoyed.

kek

Thanks for the info :3
was gonna try out arch today, but i'll take a look at FreeBSD instead
I tried it on a VM a few months back, and it felt pretty good, but I had no clue how practical it would be for everyday use

I think the word you're looking for is apathetic.

How newbie friendly is openbsd?

If you have prior experience with linux, it's pretty plug and play, at least when I tried it in VirtualBox

To a *nix noob?
Not very

The point of BSD is that it's a lot of nothing, just like the people who use it. Perfect mental match.

>pretending to be cool

Good one. Gonna need some ointment for that burn.

try permissive snake oil.

>MacOS
>closed source
GNU fags are this delusional

XNU and the remaining parts of Darwin in MacOS are opensource (namely process model, netstack and VFS), everything else (all past NeXT code and the vast majority of present Apple code, excluding stuff like bonjour which is Apache licensed) is, iirc, some form of closed source.

How does it feel knowing your cuckold OS has no video games? Sad!

*

>goes back to using linux with wine which barely works

>stuck in 2010

>What are ports
ell emm ayyyyyyyy oh

I know gzdoom has a *BSD port. If there was only one game I could play for the rest of my life, it's doom. Quality mods still getting made to this day.

How active is nethack?

BSDs have emulators too

literally infinite games

speaking of bsds
my latest project involves running netbsd on a sharp x68000 and finding a modem connect to the internet over a 300 baud s.l.i.p connection

ok

you have no idea what im talking about, do you

Define active

does it make your post any more relevent or make people need to know?