You guys don't believe all this Russian hacking bullshit right?

You guys don't believe all this Russian hacking bullshit right?

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Not the place but yeah, it's bullshit

At the techincal lvl its imposible to determine who hacked who if done properly. Company hacks dont requiere the amount of resources that a big DDOS attack use. One little breach can be explotied by a single guy sitting in a car with his laptop

wouldn't put it past those shifty ruskie fucks.

>if

I'm sure they at least tried, and it wouldn't be surprising if they succeeded on some scale

If not them then who?

from what ive heard about the NSA's capability, if there was a hacking the NSA could follow the addresses back. But so far there is No evidence that the Russian Government did anything at all. Just Anonymous Officials making baseless claims.

makes sense why the cia would be lying. Syria was blocking 2 oil pipelines because they didnt want to hurt Russia's oil market.

Syria is russia's only middle east ally. We have been providing support to the terrorist groups fighting assad. pretty sure we faked the whole using weapons on civilians since the only evidence found was on the turkish border (us ally) used by terrorists.

Our sanctions on Russia, after their actions in Crimea, crippled their economy which had finally recovered from the Cold War.

If someone hates Russia they would want Syria to fall so they can Develop oil pipelines to compete with Russia in the European Market. It would handicap russia's economy. So making Syria and Russia look like the bad guy is all that these bullshit hacking accusations are about.

....probably to keep Russia weak so they arent useful to china.

Nonsense

>Why doesn't the NSA publicly disclose the methods it tracks hackers through, surely that won't have consequences at all

It was an internal leak. Several former NSA and CIA peoples have came forward and said the same thing.
Think about it. If someone actually "hacked" into a Google account, through all of Google's servers and defenses, they would have released some security bulletin or notice. None of that happened, because nothing was "hacked". It was leaked by people who were sick to death of the corrupt fucks running the Democratic party.

i wonder what happened to the Lusitania
i wonder what happened in the Gulf of Tonkin
all that nuclear material in iraq and his "connections" to al qaeda.
...where are all those terrorists getting all those weapons.... hmm maybe we should ask the Pentagon and CIA.

well we already put more sanctions on Russia.

I understand your concern for secrecy, but come the fuck on, we fuck wiht other nations for fun and profit on a daily bases for nearly the entirety of our existence. We dont need a reason and i sure as hell wouldnt believe their claims until they provide evidence. Or are you ok with us attacking other countries Economies/Citizens without a good reason?

nice counter-argument

t. Dmitry

Explain why self-proclaimed Romanian hackers were unable to speak it?

Explain why people of far greater knowledge on this subject say that it looks similar to known attacks by the Russian government?

Why are you acting like this is a very clear cut case when in no way has the possibility of Russian infiltration has been ruled out.

Post this on Sup Forums next time, toddler.

How can I argue with nonsense speculation

Are you guys fucking retarded?

Look, I get that you can't believe anything the government says. But if you think the NSA and the CIA don't have the assets to determine the origin of hacking at this scale, you're goddamn delusional.

Have you considered that the "hack" could have been a successful phishing attempt?

>it looks similar to known attacks by the Russian
What hack doesn't? Also, if you want a laugh check out: fancybear.net/
These are the hackers bent on destroying freedom? Stop eating the shit you're being fed.

no... it's just more Obongo lies.

here's an actual analysis of it:

robertmlee.org/critiques-of-the-dhsfbis-grizzly-steppe-report/

and it appears that Washington Post withdrew the claims they made as well.

twitter.com/anncoulter/status/815453908034351104

from the little i know about that Guccifer guy, he seems to like Guessing Passwords by looking through peoples lives. Not much of a hacker, more Social Engineering.

>attacks by the Russian government?
who are these people you speak of and are they talking heads on CNN,MSNBC,and FOXnews?
they are pulling stuff out of their ass to cover for the fact that they Ran a terrible candidate and are blaming everything on russia. cause big scare red communist russia is an easy babyboomer boogeyman.

>Why are you acting like this is a very clear cut case when in no way has the possibility of Russian infiltration has been ruled out.

a former uk ambassador came forward already and said he was the middle man for the leaker within the DNC, for Wikileaks.

there is no evidence that russia did anything to the voting systems. but the republican party has enough systems in place to rig shit in their favor, like Voter Ideas, Jerry Rigging, Cross Check Systems, closing down voting stations, broken machines, uncounted provisional and mail in ballots. ...russia doesnt even need to enter the equation if we are looking for irregularities.

That's what it was, at least in Podesta's case. At least that's what I read.

>But if you think the NSA and the CIA don't have the assets to...
Tor was used. Unless you have been targeted in advance, in very specific ways, it's just not possible. The Silk Road faggot proved this.

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are you fucking retarded?

>Tor was used
I have never heard anything about Tor being involved in this

>russians are now hacking everything!!!!

so desperate it is getting really pathetic.
whats next? fucking bigfoot started pizzagate?

>latimes.com/nation/la-na-us-intervention-foreign-elections-20161213-story.html
>The U.S. has a long history of attempting to influence presidential elections in other countries – it’s done so as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000
>b-but no-one would ever try doing that to us!

>from what ive heard about the NSA's capability, if there was a hacking the NSA could follow the addresses back. But so far there is No evidence that the Russian Government did anything at all. Just Anonymous Officials making baseless claims.

This isnt speculation. this is the current state.

>makes sense why the cia would be lying.

this is speculation

>Syria was blocking 2 oil pipelines because they didnt want to hurt Russia's oil market.

this isnt speculation. there were 2 pipelines planned to go through Syria from Iran and Qatar that were scrapped by Syria.

>Syria is russia's only middle east ally. We have been providing support to the terrorist groups fighting assad. pretty sure we faked the whole using [chemical] weapons on civilians since the only evidence found was on the turkish border (us ally) used by terrorists.

this isnt speculation

>Our sanctions on Russia, after their actions in Crimea, crippled their economy which had finally recovered from the Cold War.

this isnt speculation

>If someone hates Russia they would want Syria to fall so they can Develop oil pipelines to compete with Russia in the European Market. It would handicap russia's economy. So making Syria and Russia look like the bad guy is all that these bullshit hacking accusations are about.

this is speculation

>....probably to keep Russia weak so they arent useful to china.

this is speculation


the bits that arent speculation is what you should be aware of if you arent getting your news from cnn.
the speculation is my best guess as to why this is happening.

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The wordfence analysis explains things quite clearly.

Tor is susceptible to an adversary that has taps in many places worldwide. It wasn't designed to thwart that kind of attack. I believe the NSA is fully capable of deanonymizing Tor users. The problem is: They have to construct some parallel line of evidence if they want to *act* on that info because they don't want to reveal their capabilities. I think you're being naive if you think Tor can protect you from the NSA.

>uses speculation in an attempt to tie real events
>THE LAMESTREAM MEDIA IS KEEPING IT ALL QUIET

You're acting like you have some unlimited knowledge and capacity on this subject. One side is adamant that it's the Russians, the other is not. So far no invesitgations have confirmed that Russians are out of the questions, so until you can prove otherwise, you're just an annoying tinfoil hat.

Guccifer is in prison. I'm talking about the Guccifer2.0 leaks.

The people are CrowdStrike investigators on the case.
crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/

This is where we have a disconnect. I'm discussing the Guccifer2.0 case. These are the leaks that are highly likely to have come from Russian sources. As for the UK ambassador please provide sources.

That's not even *considering* the possibility that maybe, just maybe, the CIA/NSA/whatever might have some human asset inside of the FSB, providing intel on operations

You still need to know who and when and where. Once the act has been committed, especially if botnets were used, you've basically got nothing. My point still stands.

Then do some research because the malware and everything else has been analyzed

thats cute

I don't see how it matters. It's not like the US has democracy.

>You're acting like you have some unlimited knowledge and capacity on this subject.
It's common sense and most of the security world is laughing at the ridiculously bold statements being made.There's more at stake here than the feelings of some failed presidential candidate.

Why would they hack a power grid when trump is taking office soon? It makes no sense. Maybe if hillary had won i could understand.

>believing the CIA in 2016+1

>Security world
You continue to not back up any of these statements. Link me an investigation saying the hacks are clearly not Russian, link me a trustworthy source where "the security world is laughing at the ridiculously bold statements being made". So far there is almost a consensus on this subject confirming Russia's involvement in this. They've done it so many times in the past, why would they not do it now?

Once more

>CrowdStrike
>Google owned
>Google contributed to the Clinton campaign
>Create a scare and keep the contracts coming in.
There's a clear conflict of interests here.

>american have been intervening in elections for years
>finally get their comeuppance
good.

What a retarded line of thought

Posts like this show the mental gymnastics you Sup Forums tools will take to keep your narrative up. I wish I saved the picture from the first thread about this where it was mentioned these threads would be nothing but people plugging theirs because it wasn't the answer trump wanted to hear

They didn't hack shit, but they did spam a fuck load of stuff all over the internet.
I got prompts to vote for Trump in my Google Analytics, the locale usually is "en-us" but you sometimes get;
>"Secret.Google.com You are invited! Enter only with this ticket URL. Copy it. Vote for Trump!"
All from russia when you follow where those visits came from.

>Google once mad an investment in this company
IT'S ALL OVER GUYS. NEVER TRUST THEM AGAIN.

>Both adversaries engage in extensive political and economic espionage for the benefit of the government of the Russian Federation and are believed to be closely linked to the Russian government’s powerful and highly capable intelligence services.
>believed to be closely linked
>believed to be

>and may indicate affiliation with Глaвнoe Paзвeдывaтeльнoe Упpaвлeниe (Main Intelligence Department) or GRU, Russia’s premier military intelligence service.
>may indicate affiliation
>may indicate

>While you would virtually never see Western intelligence agencies going after the same target without de-confliction for fear of compromising each other’s operations, in Russia this is not an uncommon scenario. “Putin’s Hydra: Inside Russia’s Intelligence Services”, a recent paper from European Council on Foreign Relations, does an excellent job outlining the highly adversarial relationship between Russia’s main intelligence services – Фeдepaльнaя Cлyжбa Бeзoпacнocти (FSB), the primary domestic intelligence agency but one with also significant external collection and ‘active measures’ remit, Cлyжбa Bнeшнeй Paзвeдки (SVR), the primary foreign intelligence agency, and the aforementioned GRU. Not only do they have overlapping areas of responsibility, but also rarely share intelligence and even occasionally steal sources from each other and compromise operations.

would make sense

with Guccifer2.0 im not sure who they are or where they fit.
but even if there were hacks going on from the Russian Government, the stuff that was released is stuff we should have known anyway. But we have a less than a handful of investigative journalists in american media.... replaced by Buzzfeed Public Relations firms.

the part that stinks to me, is that the Article you link was posted in June and only after the Democratic Candidate lost do they make a fuss about it.

Really? It's the literally standard procedure for everything in government. Agencies and contractors have used these tactics throughout this countries history. Surely you all remember what went on in Iraq? Who pushed the Patriot Act? How did the current form of the NSA come to be? Are you all really this simple? Investigate the origins of Bin Laden or how McCarthyism came to be. This isn't paranoia, it all has its origins in the same kind of behavior.

user provided a plausible scenario. If you have no counter-points to offer then you are just a troll that has to accept that he might be right.

it was crowdstrike the ones who claimed that it was the russians.

>Explain why self-proclaimed Romanian hackers were unable to speak it?
why would you even trust journalists with this sort of stuff? they are retarded, anyone with a bombastic twitter account can tell a journalist "I did this", and journalists will believe it and claim it's 100% true

ITT: Trumptards who have a passing interest in technology

>there is No evidence that the Russian Government did anything at all

It's not like when a government does cyberattacks they do it from their own office IPs, to make sure it's very clear who's doing it.

No, they use mercenary hacking groups or groups they created themselves and which nobody knows they are financed by a government.

Just like the Russians have that internet institute in St Petersburg where they employ tens of people to post propaganda and pro-Putin stuff on Russian or foreign sites.

It's a cheap method to destroy the credibility of an enemy. It doesn't really cost that much to hack a foreign institution or post propaganda everyday. And it can be very effective.

And Russia as a relatively poor state (with rich oligarchs though) can't afford to use expensive methods against the West.

unless they hacked Hillary into an immoral shit then all they did was whistle blow

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_interventions_of_the_United_States
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations

You are right, all of those pieces of history show that because a company was given money by Google that means they are inheritly going to make sure their report goes with the presidential candidate they have money to

Apparently the RNC got hacked too, but the hackers didn't release what they found out.

That's why the intelligence were basically saying the hacking was directed at only one candidate.

It's not like Trump is Snow White, you know. Or the Republicans, for that matter.

these companies have lots of links to the US military. hell, just look at their boards of directors...

I'm not going to do your homework. Don't come to class if you aren't prepared. There's quite a lot of information out there on the topic and most of it contradicts Crowdstrike, creators of the bogus Attack Map.

>Apparently the RNC got hacked too
the DNC "hack" was, supposedly, a phishing campaign
stop talking about a "hack", this is supposed to be a technology board

Man, you're sure hung up on Google aren't you? Perhaps you should read what Wikileaks had to say about them.

Besides macafee you could post one. Everyone in these threads always post stuff to show it was, but people like you can only muster up a year old youtube interview or some shit. That might fly on the board you are from, but here it takes actual technical analysis

The podesta emails were a phishing campaign, but there were actual hacks of the dnc you idiot

>they use mercenary hacking groups or groups they created themselves and which nobody knows they are financed by a government.

that would seems more likely.

I never said this was an open-shut case. I'm saying that the chance of Russian involvement is high as compared to nil.

Motherboard contacted Guccifer2.0 through a verified source.

And?

It's all on my laptop and I'd have to go downstairs, are you really going to make me do this? Google is right in front of you! It would mean more to you if you find it yourself. It's very easy. Search:wordfence russian hackers That should provide you with enough to get started.

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Indeed. It's ridiculous how they can even consider this news.

>I never said this was an open-shut case
i understand. tho the stuff i keep hearing from Congressmen, talking heads, and the president they are drawing a clearline the Putin. Im not convinced we have actionable intelligence, but the media is spinning it as tho we do.

i think its dangerous considering our current situation in syria.

the "evidence" presented by crowdstrike, DHS, etc talks about a RAT being used to enter the computer of someone related to the DNC. that means, they got his credentials.

seriously, if you'll talk about shit, at least read about it and try to make sense of it...

>Motherboard
oh, you mean, the website that spreads military/propaganda conveniently favorable for the US govt

>And?
do you really think people related to the military ever stops working or being close to them? do you think the brainwashing they go through doesn't make them very biased towards defending their government at all costs, even if that means lying? also, have you ever thought how these companies (infosec startups like crowstrike, mandiant, etc,) grow so fast? they barely have any well known infosec people... most of them have a few more-or-less known specialists, some military people, some very good smoke vendors and nothing more.

Just like you posted this in the last shit show of a thread, one of those is talking about the voting machines and one of them is poorly titled

Grow a brain

Not for a second.

There is so much fishing and brute force worm bullshit coming out of RU that its all noise.

Once you begin to pivot and gain persistence, it goes beyond being called phishing. Don't try to act smart kiddo

Go to bed Hillary

they're more than capable of it, and it's not like they're above doing something of the sort (they did just annex a sovereign nation).

but i don't think their hacking was just the votes. it was obvious that 90% of the shit on Sup Forums and /r/thedonald was from someone with a serious vested interest in Trump's presidency. it wouldn't surprise me if all of those threads/memes/news/etc were created by russians just to sway the vote in his favor. either way he's obviously in bed with Putin for some weird reason. why would a successful businessman be in bed with some poor shithole? i don't know, but we'll see it play out eventually.

>if infowars didn't say it, it's biased!

Great response /r/the_donald

Not who you were replying to but, this. All of this fear-mongering is dangerous in a time when the United States has already spread itself too thin.

Do you really think we'd be getting the same response if the Democrats won?

Why would the US cooperate with one of the most powerful democratic nations on the planet?

Better question is why would Obongo the ape constantly slander Russia for no reason.

You've clearly overdosed on the red-pill. You shoot down these sources but refuse to present any of your own. Stop attributing your idiotic, paranoid view of the world to the way it actually works.

Surprise surprise, a tripfag is completely retarded.

>Everyone I don't like is Hillary Clinton - An Emotional Child's Guide to Arguing Outside of Their Limits.jpg

t. CIA nigger

Don't start with this crap. The thread will get pruned. Keep Clinton/Trump out of it.

What do you mean? If they won we would still be calling out Russia, of course

You can blame .ru for over half of pretty much any hacking and be correct, its a scapegote.

Because that's Russian and US's thing for decades now. How old are you?

Considering Podesta's and even the DNC passwords were simplistic. The fact they apparently didn't even bother to change them after knowing they were compromised. I'd bet on phishing attempt that's common. Leaks in general seem to be people with a conscious within government or political parties. Snowden and Manning were all inside jobs.

Old enough to have had a map with the USSR on it as a kid.

The Clintons are to blame for any bad juju between us and Russia, we were very friendly with them after the soviet union fell.

>Keep Clinton/Trump out of it.
Impossible. since there is no evidence either way, whether you blame Russia comes down to Clinton vs Trump.

I recall hillary attempting to reset russian relations too. Think she even had a staples button on hand.

It's not that simple, just because you think they did it does not mean you are a hillary supporter

Not really, there's plenty of evidence being put out there by people outside of Sup Forums.

Blaming Russia for retarded email leaks just looks like an excuse and makes Obama look weak, insignificant shit like that should just be ignored and security should be fixed.

It shouldn't even have been made into international news at all.

They've admitted to intervening in other foreign elections. Now all signs point to them, but for some reason it's not them this time?

The reason for that is because it's a clear narrative given by the democrats in power and the biased media outlets which were also proven to be paid shills of the DNC. Clinton essentially signed off on the narratives and articles as if by her own hand. The Obama Exec Orders creating a truth ministry further put things to bed regarding that.

Yeah, you could be an Obama or Bernie supporter too I suppose

Dude the US fucking straight up assassinates bad candidates. Hacking some emails is nothing and wouldn't be possible if Podesta wasn't a moron.