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On you finish your broccoli, then you can have all the gentoo you want.
William Hall
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Owen Anderson
Is GNU/Hurd ever going to be a thing
Owen Mitchell
probably in a few years. there are still people working on it though it's noones priority since GNU actually found a replacement kernel for it's system.
Too bad it's 2 decades late to make any impact whatsoever. Hurd in itself was absolutely goat.
Justin Evans
youtu.be/AzebnJkfdvM >Secretaries using emacs >anybody with a job using free shit
Evan Morales
>Hurd in itself was absolutely goat. then why isn't it being used over the linux kernel? Why does only debian come with Hurd?
Robert Watson
they don't teach reading comprehension in elementary school anymore?
Austin Harris
who are you quoting?
Carson Bailey
sorry, i was busy listening to and left out one key aspect of the question What makes it so GOAT compared to any other *nix kernel?
I'm using elementary OS which have Nautilus as a file browser.
I can mount my samba share, and read files etc, but i cant access the files in other aplications, like qbitorrent and Firefox.
I have already set the permission in Elementary OS to 777 since file permissions on the share is handled on the server, still cant access the share in other applications.
Anyone have any idea what this could be?
Ryder Adams
fix your font rendering, holy shit
Robert Hall
>disable addon updates Nope, you uninstall that shit if you still have it.
you have one microkernel which manages only the most basic kernel services. everything else runs on top of the kernel as a server.
everything is kept separate, which implies greater security reliability is great because one server crashing does not make the entire system shit the bed, you just restart the server (MINIX 3 had a feature like that).
same goes for drivers.
You could write kernel servers/modules/drivers without having to possess an in-depth knowledge on how the rest of it works.
Just "plug it in" to an existing "Hird of Unix-Replacing Daemons"
Charles Cooper
wasn't there in the first place
Gavin Campbell
i fail to see what's wrong with it.
Jayden Rivera
Ah, so a more hackable kernel
Nathaniel Robinson
Why won't the proprietary Nvidia drivers work in Debian Stretch?
>install Linux headers >install nvidia-driver and nvidia-settings >reboot >still using nouveau driver >run nvidia-settings, it tells you to run nvidia-xconfig >install nvidia-xconfig and run it >reboot >X won't start at all
This used to work perfectly in Jessie. I'd use Jessie but the latest nvidia-driver for Jessie is so old that it doesn't support my card.
The Debian wiki doesn't say anything about what to do in Stretch to get the driver working.
Henry Gonzalez
Next time don't use a NVidia card.
Justin Mitchell
did it finish or what
Mason Ward
yes
Cooper Johnson
if there's not a red
ERROR : Couldn't make ********* line xxx; ERROR [error name]
it finished
Robert Lee
I got a really weird question
How do I make it so that when I open a new folder window I get a different background in the folder window. I want it to be like I'm moving around in the environment by "mapping" the "sectors" hahahahahah
Yeah. Two reasons why it didn't succeed >mismanagement resulting it being greatly outpaced by linux in a short period of time >at the time the performance impact of running a microkernel was just too big (microkernel switches between kernel mode and user mode all the time).
It's architecture would even stop FSF from complaining about MUH PROPRIETARY FIRMWARE because it would've been very easy to simply distribute driver modules in binary form.
Just imagine. A world where youre using a fully free as in freedom kernel. And you install new hardware drivers just by plopping a file in the right place on your HDD. and start them without even having to reboot
Sebastian Clark
just fucking grep the ls for -x11
Jeremiah Ramirez
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 445 Jan 4 20:44 gdk-x11-2.0.pc -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 396 Jan 4 20:44 gtk+-x11-2.0.pc
Zachary Campbell
Dude, you made me cum.
Julian Gonzalez
There it is!
Jacob Baker
sorry, i'm not really into free as in freedom, so this might be a noobish question, but aren't there already deblobbed linux kernels?
Joseph Nelson
aaaaand what the fuck that has to do with anything?
learn to read
Christian Foster
I forgot to apply the FUCKING PATCH
Leo Taylor
what distro u on?
Easton Walker
ubuntu 16.04
Cooper Thompson
>Just imagine. >A world where youre using a fully free as in freedom kernel. learn to read
Isaiah Martin
I will think on this. I'm not super great with linux but I think I can figure this out.
Carson Morris
Did your parents gift you with an additional chromosome?
Adrian Lewis
I have already spent some time reading through the readLine() documentation and got to imagining it all that way. I don't really know how to approach the kernel yet but the idea of it just gets me so hott.
Cameron Powell
you need to have gvfs installed.
qbittorrent and firefox are not network aware applications.
Benjamin Evans
ok so, patch applied gist.github.com/ahodesuka compiled installed ~$ sudo dpkg -l | grep gtk+ ii gtk+2.0 2.24.30-2 amd64 CUSTOMBUILD GTK
but no thumbnails
pls dont tell me I have to recompile everything else too
Landon Roberts
did you patch and recompile glib too?
Nathan Campbell
Your schreenshot is full of thumbnails
Gabriel Butler
Thanks gonna try that, was tugging my hair with permissions and similar..
John Anderson
no I want bigger thumbnails, like in the file explorer icon view, for the file picker
Jackson Barnes
>bigger thumbnails hahaha use KDE if you don't want to be stuck with the retarded GTK file picker
James Foster
Hey Sup Forums, what's the best lightweight and user-friendly distro for daily use?
Isaiah Bailey
unironiacally gentoo
Zachary Watson
nonfree pig disgusting
Ryan Richardson
If that's too much and you aren't going to be hardcore abot it give Pixel OS a try. It's cute as fuck.
But really it's not shabby at all.
Eli Reyes
is it really the best distro? if so why?
Joseph Flores
Yes.
Try it and see for yourself. Or, try Antergos, then Arch when you are ready.
Chase Rodriguez
gentoo/HURD then :^)
Jonathan Bailey
It's a meme. It sells itself as simple and lightweight while in reality it's the opposite. The userbase is a bunch of freedom hating teenagers who feel somehow 1337 for copypasting some wiki commands.
Chase Brown
bloated, insecure trash
Ian Martin
>he couldn't install arch
Aaron Harris
Thanks for confiming the cringe.
Blake Martinez
>The userbase is a bunch of freedom hating teenagers who feel somehow 1337 for copypasting some wiki commands. guess that's just some winkeks running arch in a vm in order to be cool, not everyone is like that, I actually try to keep nonfree shit to the minimum
the bloat is what makes arch simple, it's called convenience
arch is nice, just ignore the bad part of the userbase
Carson Hall
patched, compiled, installed glib no change
$# dpkg -l | grep CUST ii glib2.0 2.48.1-2 amd64 CUSTOMBUILD GLIB ii gtk+2.0 2.24.30-2 amd64 CUSTOMBUILD GTK
but now I know how to compile things
Caleb Morris
looks like I was just looking in the wrong place, Firefox 50 already uses GTK 3
well "icon view" works in Gimp and inkscape, but thumbnails don't but some people commented about that in the github gist
Hurd is part of the GNU project. You can say just GNU for the entire operating system or Hurd if referring to the kernel.
Lucas Hall
>when you theme so hard xorg crashes and xfce shits the bed
Michael Myers
no, i mean GNU/Hurd specifically GNU can also be assumed to be running the Linux kernel Hence my being so specific
Ayden Cooper
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.
Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.
One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?
(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.
Owen Perry
Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.
You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.
Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?
William Thomas
dude omg ur so funny i've never seen this pasta before teach me pls
Christian Jackson
For some reason, the Ubuntu Software program ain't opening for the last few days, and I've no idea why. Either way, what's the most recommended office software for Ubuntu? Libre Office is lacking too much of the stuff that I got used to use in Botnet 10.
Dominic Cruz
Libre Office or use something decent (as in no office software)
Benjamin Wilson
Post useful shell scripts
Jaxon Gray
> (as in no office software)
It was more of a catch-all term, I need my not-excel spreadsheets and docs with plenty of format features, and Libre Office is just too basic.
Isaiah Thomas
software center? it's shit, open a terminal and do sudo apt-get install synaptic as for office just use google docs
Jackson Bennett
This classic pasta. Also people misunderstand Stallman. He thinks in terms of decades/centuries. When he sat around staring at proprietary AT&T Unix realizing that if he didn't do anything there would never be a way to run your own free OS and forever we would be in walled prisons he remedied this by creating GCC which is more than a monumental effort, without it there wouldn't be Linux, wouldn't be BerkeleySD distros, no Illumos because Open Solaris had a proprietary compiler, ect.
Sure we have LLVM now, but what will you do when Intel/AMD/hardware mfg make an agreement with LLVM that only a proprietary module can be leased in order to compile code against their CPU? We can still run all the lisp we want on those systems but the underlying actual OS will be proprietary and spying on everything you do.
Cooper Wilson
>do sudo apt-get install synaptic Thanks.
> just use google docs But what if I don't want the botnet to read my gay fanfiction and backlog progress?
Dominic Phillips
>For some reason, the Ubuntu Software program ain't opening for the last few days, and I've no idea why. start it from the terminal, if you see something concerning, file a bug report.
>Either way, what's the most recommended office software for Ubuntu? L Libre Office
>Libre Office is lacking too much of the stuff that I got used to use in Botnet 10. Like what?
Jackson Rodriguez
>wouldn't be Linux, There were various other userlands in existance at the time. If not gcc something else would have been used
Zachary Martin
but if the botnet doesn't read them, then who will? you want followers don't you? but seriously if you're too paranoid for google docs then I guess give wps office a shot
Aiden Morales
gcc is the compiler which enabled Linus to even distribute his kernel, at the time no free compilers existed and patents threatened to sue you out of existence if you used their software to build your free software.
Stallman got together people like Knuth, Sussman/Abelson (who are all old FSF members) and the MIT hacker lab to build his new compiler. He also worked on it something like 12hrs a day for a year straight. Nobody else was going to do this, ever.
LLVM/CLANG is a great improvement on this early work but there will always be a threat of mfg selling proprietary build modules meaning you can't make anything to run on their system without getting auth and paying fees.
Austin Watson
So, you want some most basic shit but Libre Office is too basic? I call bullshit on this.
Dominic Wood
>this task was monumental and if my hero didn't do it then it would never have gotten done you got some stars in your eyes bruh
David Cooper
Nvm, I'm a retard who didn't try Libre Office enough to see all it's features. Thanks for the help either way.
Finish that attempt to make your own gcc for just one arch (or a Haskell compiler, or even the Golang compiler). Now spend a year debugging what you've written and read the entire Art of Computer Programming series by Knuth in order to optimize it. That should take you about 6 years. Come back and post your new compiler
Zachary Young
>you personally can't do it so no one else could have performed said task, not even the other people at the time who were headed in that direction he only got there first bruh. there was never a need for more than one open source compiler to exist, so of course the first working compiler would become the only one, but it's not the monumental task you think
Jason Nguyen
Don't reply to him, he's a rectally annihilated BSD faggot that comes here everyday and once he get shat on by everyone asks "why do they persecute me so I just wanted a discussion on reeeeel unix"
I'll save you the trouble of reading through his post and give you a tl;dr of what you'll learn today >rms is a toejam eating communist kike >gpl is more restrictive than proprietary licenses (communism too) >bsd license is true freedom >openBSD is the apogeo of operating systems and it works on 99% of the hardware he tried it on so you should try it out too >it's so robust, safe and beautiful he doesn't understand why it's not the leading operating system on this planet because theo personally reviews and tests every character of the code >btw sony used it for playstation but closed the code so eh still massive success >theo dindu nuffinz >not having software actually doesn't matter
Here I just saved you a solid hour of your life.
Angel Williams
i have xubuntu 14, can i upgrade to 16 without losing all my installed programs, home folder and so on? and how?
Kevin Russell
holy shit dem tiddies!
Noah Sanchez
>he's a rectally annihilated BSD faggot that comes here everyday That is of course every BSD thread on Sup Forums ends up in them bickering with every neet and Sup Forumsedditor who pops by to have a laugh.
Eli Moore
>GNU can also be assumed to be running the Linux kernel It cannot.
Jayden Evans
You do it by normally installing but during the partitioning part of the installation process you select your /home partition to NOT be ereased and instead be kept as-is
Samuel James
like in mah animes
Wyatt Thompson
It's just systemd, which can run any kernel and any userland.
Austin Murphy
There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of it's kernels.
Carter Powell
>shitposting
It was about timing. Right when gcc was released SunOS was selling proprietary compilers, and the exact timing of gcc being available started the free software movement because you could download SunOS parts and compile them with gcc to hack and change the system. It was Linus who was doing this, hacking together his own system on SunOS with gcc which led to him deciding to write his own kernel.
Justin Reyes
bsd malloc busybox qlibc
Juan Richardson
nice "replacements" to copy the gnu system
Christian Robinson
gnu was a replacement for existing userlands at the time :^)
