comparing the amiga 500 to every other computer from the era, everything just comes short in comparison and they are massively more expensive
while even the macintosh se was still monochrome, the amiga could do up to 32 colours and had the same specs.
the macintosh was around $3000 while the amiga was only $600
plus the games on the amiga where as good if not better than its arcade counterparts
how did commodore make such a capable machine this cheap?
zero profit margins and obsolete components
No CD-ROM
No MPEG
No Thanks
who the fuck had a cd rom back then?
plus mpeg wasnt even around back then
well, maybe that's one of the reasons that commodore went broke.
And you know that (((Apple))) just overprices their shit for their hipster audience because muh design
another thing I also forgot that you're also forgetting is the feature set, the Amiga on its own was a pretty capable games machine (it was originally developed as one after all) but in other areas it fell short as a cost-cutting measure
many PCs and Macs shipped with expensive hard disks by that time which were pretty much a necessity for any serious use since floppy disks are tiny, dreadfully unreliable, terrible for long term storage as a result and also slower than dog shit in a record-setting blizzard
additionally, early Amigas had terrible expansion facilities, you'd think Commodore would have realized how much of a mistake sidecars were after seeing the fiasco of things like the TI99 systems that would turn into desk-hogging abominations just to implement basic functionality you could get with no extra space on a competitor using human-style expansion cards
those are probably my biggest two gripes with the early Amigas, and if you wanted to add either of these features to one, you'd have to go with a third-party solution that would end up making the whole system cost as much as the "more expensive" competitor that integrated all of it in the first place
these situations are different on the later systems like the 2000/3000/4000, though my original points still apply to those as well, those things were too cheap for their own good
Yes, it was the best of it's time.
What's your point? What's the point of this thread? Did it really need a thread on it's own? Could just have made a old hardware thread.
no they didnt
a macintosh se with a 20mb hard drive cost a thousand dollars more than the base model that just had 2 floppy drives and that was still 3 grand
>486
>intel fag detected
>though my original points still apply to those as well
>additionally, early Amigas had terrible expansion facilities
>these situations are different on the later systems
>though my original points still apply to those as well
Wut.
Also.
Amigas always shined because of their high and open expansion properties.
>no they didnt
no they didn't what, offer hard drives? they were pretty ubiquitous outside of the consumer markets, and even if they weren't offered, you could actually add one internally
>a macintosh se with a 20mb hard drive cost a thousand dollars more than the base model that just had 2 floppy drives and that was still 3 grand
alright
what are you even talking about?
you're thinking of upgrades, not actual expansion (and that shit certainly wasn't "open" either, jesus)
if you wanted to configure a 1000 or 500 with additional interfaces, co-processors, whatever else, you were shit out of luck unless you went with expensive third-party solutions
>Wut.
shit profit margins and in some cases older hardware (which is just in the case of the 2000), is it really that difficult?
>and that shit certainly wasn't "open" either, jesus
>literary a CPU bus expansion header
>not open
topkek
>you're thinking of upgrades, not actual expansion
>implying a addon board for x86 emulation or a hard drive is an upgrade not an expansion
topkek
you know what, I'll give you that, they /did/ provide that single shitty header, and for all intents and purposes it was open
>implying the 1000/500 had facilities for either internally out of the box
>implying either of these even come close to the facilities offered by most other high-end platforms at the time
>not knowing what emulation actually is
yeah, topkek indeed
Oh sorry, did I trigger you? Nowadays we would call it virtualization, but then it was still called emulation, even when using a real x86 CPU.
Also, you seem not to understand the difference between upgrade and expansion.
>did I trigger you xD
actually yeah, the fact that you're trying to take a position of authority while not even understanding how PC compatibility cards actually worked and also equating virtualization with full-on system emulation is pretty fucking triggering, I won't lie
>CD ROM in 1987
Why so buttblasted?
Post some pics of your systems and also learn the difference between the terms you're using.
>virtualization with full-on system emulation
I'm literally in tears of laughter right now.
>I'm literally in tears of laughter right now.
not him but you need to go out more if you're crying to the point of tears over this
FUCK YOUUUUUUUUU
>MUH OLD SHITTY TECH
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>le meymay luddite hardware thread
>Post some pics of your systems and also learn the difference between the terms you're using.
I don't really see what that has to do with the current subject but okay. are you all used up already? it literally took like three posts to get you to the "haha are you mad" stage and you've pretty much been grasping at straws the whole way trying to take advantage of a technicality to preserve your delusional rose-tinted view of this shitty platform that died for a reason
>I'm literally in tears of laughter right now.
I'd be laughing at you too for not being able to distinguish two basic concepts from one another.
Shitty bait. You don't know how things work and talk about it, it's lame.
Also, I'm no way a Amiga person, I really don't give a crap about the platform, but at least I know a few things about it.
>amiga thread
>someone floods the thread with furry porn
how ironic
>I don't really see what that has to do with the current subject but okay.
To make the thread less about shitposting and actual interest. But I know you're just here to shitpost.
Joke's on you, faggot, I'm a literal amiga furry
It's neither emulation or virtualization, you could say that the original way they worked was by virtualizing the x86 chipset in a sandbox and emulation only occurred for the display adapter and storage devices. They were called expansions, an upgrade would be replacing the CPU, anything else is expanding.
As we are talking about the A500, it's Zorro I header on the side was a direct line to the CPU bus, the best expansion port anyone could ask for, I don't see the problem with it. It was a fairly expandable machine, it also had a memory upgrade slot. An A500 with an external hard drive was still cheaper than any Mac of the time, in the late 90's. If we would talk about the newer machines, than upgrades and expansions for them where even easier, Zorro II and III ports, PCI adapters, etc, etc.
yet still you can't even distinguish between virtualization or emulation, let alone offer up any actual technical counterpoints against the ones I've presented
all you're doing is plugging your ears and screaming because you know you have fuck all to actually give us
the dude circlejerked a bit and then asked a question, I answered it, another faggot got triggered that there are people who don't worship his beloved childhood gaming system and the rest is history from there, why should I post things that are irrelevant to the discussion?
this is the shit I'm talking about, thanks for actually contributing to the discussion. it seems that a lot of the PC compatibility cards I've personally dealt with usually just implement an entire PC on a card, but that method does explain why many of the Amiga solutions always looked so compact
Late 80's obviously not 90's
i know theres that one furry comic geek who loves amiga
i wouldnt be surprised if he's the one who started this crap thread
Swartz is not active with the Amiga shit anymore.
yeah i bet that's what he wants you to think
not anymore, but he used to be the biggest voice in the amiga community
his art was usually featured on amiga magazines
>all you're doing is plugging your ears and screaming because you know you have fuck all to actually give us
I'm just shitposting a little because I want to see how fast faggots who just come here to shit on others start posting.
These threads are dead, fuck anything for trying OP.
You seem to miss the obvious point that Apple, and their Mac, are still here while most people outside Sup Forums have never heard of the Amiga.
You might say the Mac today is in decline but it's much less so than the PC industry in general.
The race to the bottom, AKA competing on price, is a losing strategy.
>not anymore, but he used to be the biggest voice in the amiga community
Not really, he was just a drawfag with a passion for the Amiga, he wasn't that tech savvy.
>his art was usually featured on amiga magazines
I can recall a few times only because the magazine had some article about animations, the "unofficial Amiga mascot" thing was what it was, unofficial.
>You seem to miss the obvious point that Apple, and their Mac, are still here while most people outside Sup Forums have never heard of the Amiga.
It did sell as much unit annually as Apple did with Macs back in the day, same for even Atari ST and they are gone too. I know this has been repeated so many time, the "commodore marketing meme" but in the end it just comes back down to that, shitty marketing and failure to fund the right things at the right times.
This.
But obviously this is just a bait thread.
>I don't see the problem with it
the real problem I'd say is just the additional bulk of it, I have a hard time seeing it being a very efficient method beyond maybe one or two sidecars, and there are plenty of use cases that may require a lot of additional cards in systems like these
>An A500 with an external hard drive was still cheaper than any Mac of the time
the fifty-five-or-die markup definitely made sure of that
my point with that was just that the Amiga did lack a few things that other platforms had available to them that dipped its price into the unreal sub-$1000 level, it was certainly cheaper no matter what
>If we would talk about the newer machines, than upgrades and expansions for them where even easier, Zorro II and III ports, PCI adapters, etc, etc.
yeah, and I did say that, the 2000/3000/4000/etc tackled a lot of the problems I was getting at, but OP seemed to have been talking about the 500 and by extension the 1000, and I think those are pretty valid points to bring up, especially when talking about how Commodore could manage to sell them as cheap as they did
was gonna say, by the late '90s a cheap used system would probably be a better value than trying to source an Amiga and a good accelerator for it to bring it up to snuff
shitting on others isn't really my intention, there's a lot of fascinating aspects, historical and technical to the Amiga platform and its practical performance is peerless at its price point, but there are too many people on Sup Forums that dwell on the other side of the camp that won't shut the fuck up about them and they're incredibly annoying about it
ultimately the shilling just pisses me off and I wish we could just see each platform for what it was, good and bad, and quite honestly since I'm into high-end/workstation gear the capabilities of the Amigas really don't "wow" me all that much even if they were still good in the end
>I know this has been repeated so many time, the "commodore marketing meme" but in the end it just comes back down to that, shitty marketing and failure to fund the right things at the right times.
it is true though regardless of who calls it meme, definitely in the US market at least
anyone I've talked to about the Amiga basically thought of them as a toy in the same vein of the C64 and didn't take them seriously, and that's a pretty big deal in a computing market that was dominated by businesses
>the real problem I'd say is just the additional bulk of it
>my point with that was just that the Amiga did lack a few things that other platforms had
True that, but at the time, for what it did already, it was a pretty comfy home computer. Who was into it, probably didn't care much about the bulkiness.
>was gonna say, by the late '90s a cheap used system would probably be a better value than trying to source an Amiga and a good accelerator for it to bring it up to snuff
I did have a 1200 with a lot of beef in it in the late 90's, price and performance wise it probably wasn't too bad VS PCs of the time, could still do everyday tasks fine, even browsing the web what was much lighter back then.
>here's a lot of fascinating aspects, historical and technical to the Amiga platform and its practical performance is peerless at its price point,
>ultimately the shilling just pisses me off and I wish we could just see each platform for what it was, good and bad,
Amen, need more anons like this.
>quite honestly since I'm into high-end/workstation
Yeah, they weren't on par with the SGI and other UNIX stations at the time, what it's worth it was still a pretty good home workstation replacement, specially when it got into cheap video editing market.
I always liked the idea of beefed up A4000's, etc, like PCI 3D accelerators and PowerPC cards, SCSI controllers, etc. You know people even made drivers for the G3 PCI bus Mac accelerators.
>same vein of the C64
Fun fact, you could say that the Amiga is actually the successor to the 8-bit Atari line and the ST is the successor to the C64. Confusing times.
I seem to recall that the Amiga was the machine studios bought if they were too pleb to buy a Personal Iris.
Yeah, a lot of video editing and 3D was done on the Amiga by studios that otherwise would not have been.
Also, Deluxe Paint was a thing, a lot of games on any platform of the time owned it's graphics being drawn in it.
How many years did it take for IBM PC compatibles to "catch up" to the Amiga anyway?
Mid 90's, PCs where always behind of everything else, even Macs till the mid 90's.
Depends. I preferred AtariST. Its "High resolution" monochrome display and slm was great for word processing, DTP and CAD.
Leave it to Sup Forums to get into a autistic argument about retro computers no one gives a fuck about.
The b8 thread turned into a pretty decent thread discussing retro computers. By Sup Forums standards that's pretty good.
didn't Disney use amigas for some of its animations?
I remember they had their own animation program
For what it's worth, at the time the high res monochrome mode of the Atari ST was indeed great for office use. But they screwed up the ST latter.
Also, got bifi?
>but at the time, for what it did already, it was a pretty comfy home computer. Who was into it, probably didn't care much about the bulkiness
for sure family
for a home user who doesn't need special interfaces or weird-ass coprocessors or whatever the fuck playing games or solving small problems none of that stuff was really a big deal
>I did have a 1200 with a lot of beef in it in the late 90's, price and performance wise it probably wasn't too bad VS PCs of the time, could still do everyday tasks fine, even browsing the web what was much lighter back then.
yeah I'd probably agree, the 68k stuff I've worked with always felt like it would have a lot more life left in it especially before the internet started ramping up
>what it's worth it was still a pretty good home workstation replacement, specially when it got into cheap video editing market.
the DP demos especially that I've seen make it look like a pretty attractive option if you don't want to/can't go balls-in on a nice *nix setup, Macs felt pretty capable for it too but they had that magic markup and didn't have the toaster
>I always liked the idea of beefed up A4000's, etc, like PCI 3D accelerators and PowerPC cards, SCSI controllers, etc. You know people even made drivers for the G3 PCI bus Mac accelerators.
the level you can pimp this kind of shit out is pretty unreal sometimes, I never thought of myself as all that compatible with that part of the "culture" though since I'm a pretty dedicated stockfag, I like my shit stuck in a specific time period and the best it can be for it
if someone gave me a tricked to shit A4000 I wouldn't complain though
the other guy says mid but I'd pin it earlier, by the early '90s you could get pretty affordable VGA/SB systems that had decent enough capabilities and a heap of compatible software and hardware on top of it
but it's all subjective really, they all had their mutual advantages and disadvantages from the beginning
NASA actually used Amigas because of their solid nature.
obligement.free.fr
lifted the photos from here, actually didn't realize the ones at NASA were doing this much before, always figured they were used for dealing with footage and other media from missions
Yeah, I have read it. AmigaOS was a pretty special piece of code, too bad it has all been forgotten.
Of course.
They did make programs for the Amiga but I don't think they ever used it to produce anything considering they could afford SGI equipment.
>but it's all subjective really, they all had their mutual advantages and disadvantages from the beginning
My view on it was more an Amiga with a PPC card, that was still a beast till the mid 90's VS PCs, until PCs actually started getting 3D accelerators and stuff.
Kek
Could you program in an amiga?
I'm talking before they did 3d animation
Want to know a secret?
Yes.
You can even port UNIX applications straight to it because it has a UNIX compatibility layer available for AmigaOS, can compile UNIX source straight on AmigaOS and run them transparently.
...
Hey bifibro, remember my XT clone?
That's nice. But how could you get a compiler back then? Or any UNIX software whatsoever?
Magic of dial-up and floppies.
Yeah, how is it going? Any news? I was away for a while from this vietnamese knitting forum.
It always seemed remarkably efficient. I think the only complaint I ever had about the OS itself was just a personal thing about the look of it, I just can't get into it.
I don't really think that's a fair assumption to make when comparing two platforms generally like that, upgrades are certainly more common in Amiga space but I wouldn't go as far as to treat them as universal, it's an optional, added step that can have variable results from the sheer amount of choices available.
>how is it going?
Well, I sold it to a pretty penny to a museum and I'm quite happy that it ended up there, still miss it but it serves a purpose now.
for a pretty penny*
>Magic of dial-up and floppies
Sounds comfy. And slightly nostalgic.
>I just can't get into it.
I always liked the ricability of the Workbench
Nice move. I can't give my machines away. To much memories, feelings and shit... But it eats up way to much space...
Just quickly looking into it I can't really find anything that indicates that they would have used an Amiga to produce 2D animation. They may have used it for test footage or for experimenting but it doesn't appear they were ever an integral part of the animation production cycle.
Apparently they used Pixar's Computer Animation Production System (CAPS) software stack to produce animation in the 90s and as far as I know CAPS was only ever used on the Pixar Image Computer.
Life of a tech lover ain't easy.
Was it a local museum or something? I've got some stuff in my collection I'd like to see off to a place like that, I'm running out of space.
Yeah, people have told me you can change it up, I haven't gotten around to firing it up in an emulator to mess with it yet.
Could be worse. Btw. I need some sleep, work starts in 4 hours. See ya, bye.
>Was it a local museum or something?
Yes, a old technology company is starting a computer museum and they are acquiring exhibits for it.
>Yeah, people have told me you can change it up, I haven't gotten around to firing it up in an emulator to mess with it yet.
Get Amiga Forever if you just want a quick taste or try stock WB3.1 with Magic Workbench and go from there.
>the amiga could do up to 32 colours
Amigas supported 4096 colors since day one, you bonehead.
Nigga lean the difference between the max number of colours in the palette, and the number that could be displayed at once without HAM.
Amiga demoscene was and is still awesome and I really got to respect the machine for that. Sad that you amerifags wouldn't know anything about it
>No CD-ROM
But it did...
Actually amiga was one of the first cd-rom based machines with the cdtv.
HAM was kind of a kludge though that came with resolution trade-offs among other things and was really only best for low-resolution still images
Pretty interesting, but why would he use that when he has a fucking Genesis and Sega CD in the background!
there is an Amiga doc on netflix. I've seen a recent influx of Amiga threads since it was added. I would fuck the fat Amiga nerd chick.
bump
>I would fuck the fat Amiga nerd chick.
Who are we talking about? Cammy is not fat, just deaf.
Bumpin with commodore.
Aren't you supposed to be working?
Tuesday is fine office day. At this moment I'm searching for the key, my son accidentally ripped off his netbook...
*Home office day
Modern networks were a mistake. The ones produced in mid to late 2000s belong in a dumpster.
You mean netbooks*
True, I never liked this stuff. But the Intel classmate is nice. It's a convertible, Android runs fine and its size is perfect for a 4 years old kid. Also rugged and water resistant.