Post your component list, rate other anons', and ask questions in general.
Always state the purpose of your PC, your budget, AND YOUR COUNTRY if outside the USA. If you are asking for improvements, clarify whether you want to lower price or to improve specs or build quality.
Assemble your parts list; built-in price comparisons by vendor and a compatibility filter. pcpartpicker.com
Gaming builds based monitor resolution and refresh rate pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/ >To activate the Description, select build from sidebar then click on the title over the parts list >Description contains notes, other options, and build skeleton for easy customization / cost savings >Note: Win7 and 8.1 cannot be installed on a Kaby Lake system
Have a budget, but don't know where to start? This will recommend you a parts list based on price. logicalincrements.com/ >OUTDATED CPU RECOMMENDATIONS (no mention of Kaby Lake) >Consider substituting an i5 7500 for the i3 in any RX470/480 or GTX 1060 tier build >Consider stock fan+heatsink for any i3 or locked i5 build without a Z mobo >Consider a B150/B250 or H110/H210 mobo for any i3 build >Add a 240GB SSD to the "Great" tier build
General build advice including chipset compatibility, power supply advice, Windows activation information. pastebin.com/9Pbm4nHL
Kaby Lake has been released! Skylake is depreciated if corresponding chips are similarly priced (e.g., i5 7600K vs i5 6600K)! >Some motherboards will have a one-click, 5GHz on air OC button that works for 80% of i5 7600Ks >Z series chipsets have an "Enhanced Turbo" under XMP, which allows all cores to run at the highest single core boost clockspeed (works for Skylake CPUs as well) >Pentiums now have hyperthreading, and are thus the new default budget / entry level gaming CPUs >Pentium G4560 is the best price / perf four thread CPU on a modern platform >All Kaby Lake CPUs work natively with 2400MHz DDR4 memory >Do not underestimate the impact of fast (>2400, e.g, 3000MHz) RAM in conjunction with a Z series chipset, which often provides as much of a performance boost as a CPU overclock
Brayden Lee
>tfw 2133 max ram speed plebean
Matthew Butler
But HGST is WD.
Cameron Cooper
why are the new shitty krabby patties cpus and 270 mobos on the saved part picker list
they're terrible compared to previous gen
Connor Hughes
not to mention still leaving that shitty logicalincrements site in the OP
Lincoln Johnson
Only one worth the while is Pentium G4560, the Skylake i3 at half the price
Daniel Davis
>they're terrible compared to previous gen I mentioned last thread i bought a i5 6500 2 weeks ago, and now a realized the 7500 is that same price, did i do good or did i fuck up?
Brody Davis
you did fine
the new mobos to compliment them are overpriced
Connor Taylor
not to mention they heat up hard
Ayden Morris
Not exactly, it's owned by WD but the manufacturing method is still the same
Literal retard. Kaby Lake is slightly better than Skylake at the same price
It's a little outdated and not perfect, but it still gives users and idea about tiers and upgrades
Not true at all. All Kaby Lake CPUs have native support for 2400MHz RAM for starters. They have higher stock clocks, too
You're fine, only a few percent difference. You should probably flash your BIOS with the Kaby Lake update because you'll have access to a few more features
Nah
Liam Butler
>nah
Yes they do shill.
Matthew Ward
GTFO retard, 80% of i5 7600Ks can easily OC to 5GHz on air.
Grayson Morris
(Me) Meant more that they are not really worth upgrading from Skylake to Kaby Lake. For some one that is making their first PC then yeah £30 more at most including motherboard prices might be worth slightly higher clock speed and 2400 ram
Nathaniel Morales
>Some motherboards will have a one-click, 5GHz on air OC button that works for 80% of i5 7600Ks You realise Kaby Lake will go up to 100°C on air @5GHz? Possible problems are unusually high variation in chip quality and shit TIM. >inb4 only on shit Z170 mobos Nope, on both Z170 and Z270.
Because OP is a retard, don't buy into it.
Brandon Foster
>"Enhanced Turbo" under XMP >Enhanced Turbo >CPU core >XMP Does not compute, GTFO Pajeet shill. You clearly didn't study your own shill materials from Intel. Get it right.
Brayden Wright
shill
Jackson Perez
>Kaby Lake is slightly better than Skylake at the same price Oh my God! 200 more MHz for $50 more! They are not the same price you fuck.
Grayson Hernandez
It's never worth upgrading from the last generation, unless some kind of jew magic would happen and they made everything right in the world, it's not worth it ever
>XMP www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/extreme-memory-profile-xmp.html >Extreme MEMORY Profile You're so fucking retarded that it's adorable. XMP profiles have nothing to do with the CPU itself and everything to do with the adjusted frequency of the MEMORY controller. CPU core frequencies and Turbo clock adjustments are under a completely different system that has jack squat to do with the memory controller or XMP. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Turbo_Boost
Hang yourself, you dumb little shill.
Blake Anderson
I bought a freesync 75hz monitor and a RX470. What settings should I use for games?
Do I leave vsync on, off, or cap fps to 75?
Elijah Brown
even in my shithole they cost the same, in some cases even cheaper by a euro or two, in some cases literally the same to the cent and the most extreme I've seen, 5 euro more expensive, fuck off
I was thinking I could get one and add drives over time while maintaining warranties on all the individual components.
James Cook
Thoughts on the sentry ITX case?
Andrew Wright
In USA, going for a gaming build with a budget of $3,000. The aim is 1440p/144hz. I'd appreciate any tips toward improvement of quality build, and balance of parts or optimization. Will it last for a few years, with room to upgrade gpu, cpu, and ram, and still remain balanced?
Dell has one that blows a fan across all of the M.2 drives and is a PCIe x16 like the one in your link too bad it's OEM only
Anthony Rogers
>15 CAS RAM pfft
Luke Young
I queued this motherboard since a year, and thinking to buy one now but I hesitate because not sure and can't find if any newer has supered it yet.
Camden Price
trash ssd with that budget, get a 960 pro or whatever the best samsung is now, with PCI not SATA interface, they're like 6 times faster, if not more If you don't plan to SLI and even if you do, might as well go mATX and mATX case shit mouse, look at newer Logitech if you want Logitech your budget would allow to go 1080/1080Ti, unless you plan to upgrade in 2 years, when nvidia finally decides to put proper vulkan and dx12 support
Colton James
also you're buying 4 fans, one of which not in bundle, while in bundle they're basically 3 for 2, do you really need 4 over 3 then ?
Austin Lopez
Kind of an OCDP thing that kicked in.
Blake Lewis
How am i doin Sup Forums? >450 watt psu
Jacob Watson
How does the RX470 compare to the 480 with both having 4GB of VRAM?
I'm looking for 1440p gaming performance. They'll be replacing crossfired 7770s. I'm currently using a 1680x1050 setup but am upgrading by the end of the year.
Levi Morris
If you're going to use M2 drives via PCI-E, that card looks to be the best option.
Brayden Nelson
I think the 480 would be close to decent 1440p after settings are tweaked, but the 470 may be pushing it a little. Unless you got a deal on a freesync monitor (and there are plenty out there), save up a little for a 1070, but really go with freesync.
Dominic Butler
I'm not going Nvidia because of their business practices.
Asher Green
If you want 1440p 144hz get a 1080. Ditch the hdd and get a samsung evo ssd of some sort. IMO ditch the thermaltake AIO and get an NZXT Kraken. I have one and like it, and NZXT's accompanying software is easy to use and works well. If you want you can even get their fan controller and led controller and rgb led fans, all of which work through the same software.
Ignore don't get a samsung pro ssd because you aren't constantly writing data to it. Also don't get a PCIe or NVMe or M.2 because for gaming you don't really need the minimal performance gains from a SATA ssd. A SATA ssd is all you need for gaming, as you should be focusing most of your money on your GPU and monitor. Also ignore him and get a regular sized ATX mobo. I have an MSI mobo as well and it didn't come with as many internal usb connectors as I'd liked so I had to get some expansions for my fan controller because the AIO and front I/O took up the measly two that were on offer.
tl;dr looks solid overall, ditch hdd completely and replace with high capacity ssd and replace 1070 with 1080
Juan Brown
>I'm not going Nvidia because of their business practices
lol people on four channel are the most entitled people on the internet. AMD is to blame for them being btfo by NVIDIA as of late. I miss the radeon days. If you want 1440p performance from AMD you will have to wait for Vega, as at least one of the cards will be along the lines of the r9 Fury. The rx480 is not a 1440p card by any means, unless you will settle for meh settings and meh framerates. Don't kid yourself
Christian Sullivan
>Refusing to support an actively anti-consumer company >Entitled SLURP SLURP SLURP
Adrian Ortiz
Then go with a fury x or wait for vega on a 480 8gb
Oliver Gonzalez
>Wait for Vega That was my original plan before one of my two 7770s finally kicked it. How much longer until Vega? I guess I can play shittier games until it comes out if it's soon
Robert Ward
>he doesn't know that Enhanced Turbo is a checkbox inside XMP. Literal retard
I mean, it could be a while, if you find a good deal on a fury x then you shouldn't be afraid to pick it up.
Dominic Davis
Vsync off, FPS cap to just under 75
Might want a higher wattage PSU if you ever plan to mGPU. Probably unnecessary for 1440p going forward.
Don't buy now, retard. Also don't CF. You'll either want AMD's Vega or Nvidia's Pascal refresh. When you buy your monitor, get either freesync or gsync
upsidedown / 10
Andrew Butler
>eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-intel-core-i5-7600k-review XMP and Enhanced Turbo are NOT a part of each other, but a part of a larger suite within the chipset. They're either as retarded as you are or chose their wording poorly. You're still a massive retard, though.
Logan Edwards
Looked for a Fury deal, but Canadian pricing is prohibitive. Even an RX480 starts near the $300 mark. Budget is around $350 after shipping and tax.
Luis Robinson
For the record, I'm already running a crossfire setup, the new GPU would be replacing both existing cards.
Samuel Walker
Okay, now I get what they're saying and I'm still right. They just worded it terribly because the writer probably doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about either. XMP is NOT AT ALL related to ANY part of the Turbo feature (if it were, then that would be a serious flaw in the CPU's design), but if the CPU detects that XMP is enabled, it ALSO engages the automatic CPU clock adjustment that they're calling "enhanced turbo". The memory controller has nothing to do with changing the CPU's core and BCLK multipliers, but the CPU does it all automatically for "convenience". You're still a massive fucking wanker for thinking that a feature tied to the memory bus and controller had anything to do with a CPU's core multipliers.
A couple of follow up questions around this if anyone with more experience or insight can help, as these boards are very expensive and good info can be hard to find:
Is there any sort of standard binding four lane PCI-e 3.0 + NVME? As in, will this be the way these drives are released and produced in the new few years, or might we see M2 drives adding more than four PCIe lanes to utilize higher bandwidth and making older carriers obsolete? It does seem as though the samsung 960 pro drives are pushing the limit of what 4x PCIe 3.0 can accomplish.
Also, I haven't looked into RAID in a very long time, but would software RAID be capable of dealing with the throughput of several high speed SSDs like this in a configuration like RAID 0? Is this dependant on the board's PCIe switch or what?
Adrian Turner
>look mom, i posted it again, mom, attention please, MOM !!!!111
Hudson Lopez
>/vgcag/
Joseph Harris
Is this any good? Is there anything I could improve or change for a similar price or lower?
Hunter Ward
What is the go-to 512gb ssd these days? Budget isn't much of an issue outside of extremely costly ones (y halo thar Intel). Looking for some pointers for my own research in anticipation of an upcoming zen build.
Gavin Baker
>1060
You chose...poorly.
Asher Baker
No, it's shit, do more research.
David Fisher
How so?
Care to expand on that?
Anthony Gonzalez
You need B250, H210, or Z270 mobo Only way you can fully use that 3000MHz RAM is with a Z270
Personally I'd say the 480GB "budget" SSDs are plenty. Either PNY or OCZ
David Foster
>do more research.
Xavier Robinson
>How so?
Generally speaking the 480 is the faster card these days (though not by much) and the extra 2gb vram never hurt.
Justin Hughes
They are neck and neck. The aftermarket 8GB 480 is likely more expensive than the aftermarket 6GB 1060
Evan Ward
Thank you for my (you)
Nathaniel Bennett
What is the best AM3+ CPU under $200? Under $100?
Zachary Evans
source
Wyatt Ortiz
*best for per clock performance
Levi Mitchell
Really don't know why you're asking this. If you're buying used, you might consider and FX8350 because it's the one of the highest clocked (for the single core perf) without being retardedly hot.
If you buy a new AM3+ mobo + CPU + DDR fucking 3 you have only yourself to blame
Jordan Smith
Im trying to upgrade an old prebuilt, all I need is a PSU and a CPU
There is nothing wrong with DDR3
Alexander Baker
you want an 8350 for 149
Parker Moore
what's the best GPU option for this?
Matthew Walker
this is the kind of mentality that needs to gtfo of /pcbg/
we all build computers for different reasons, some of us are re-using parts given to us and some are working off a clean slate.
Thomas Lee
you'd want a 1070 or a 980ti. you'd be able to run pretty much anything in 1080p at 60fps, even more for several games. but if you're not trying to break the bank, 1060 or 1050ti
Gabriel Torres
thanks
Jose Stewart
>If you buy a new AM3+ mobo + CPU + DDR fucking 3 you have only yourself to blame
I'm still using my i7 2600k but i want to build a amd machine next eventually but after browsing this general for a while you guys make it sound like that's a retarded idea
Julian Carter
>There is nothing wrong with DDR3 There is if you're buying it with a new system
Come back when you've learned to take a screenshot
Are you illiterate? I answered his question and told him that buying the AM3+ platform NEW is stupid, which it is.
All your posts are moronic, right down to your broken shift key
Jonathan Taylor
Fortunately Zen will be here soon.
Cooper Sullivan
Mellanox ConnectX-2 $20 on ebay
Brandon Peterson
some of us aren't so privileged as to have a shift key. and you're still a douchebag
Thomas White
all the AMD cpu's are a few years old, and in today's tech market that's like dog years. i have a buddy who has an 8350 with gtx1080 that can run battlefield 1 at 50-60fps but the CPU does limit his graphics card.
so if you want to go AMD, you're basically building a machine that is 3-5 years old. there's a reason all of these builds incorporate intel CPUs
Kayden Parker
putting this together next week.
going for 1440p gaming and 80-100fps with maximum usability.
also, is it worth it to stack fans on a liquid cooler (fan on inside and outside)
Alexander Jackson
All comments welcome. Already have a PSU.
Jace Wright
ill sell you all of that same ram in 4x4gb for $80 brand new
but otherwise, your build is pretty solid. IMHO case is too big for one 1060 but if you wanted to run SLI at some point then you have some room to grow. and a 1060 in sli outperforms a 1080
Colton Cruz
I would recommend getting a larger SSD and maybe faster RAM.
Brandon Rogers
do you think with 4 fans would be good enough to o/c the motherboard?
Evan Turner
Drop to i5 7600K Drop to 1070 Get 3000MHz RAM 240GB SSD
Get i5 7600K Z270 mobo 3000MHz RAM
Jesus, it's like you people don't even fucking read the OP
Christopher Walker
>720p @60hz
are you trolling?
Unless you plan on getting a 1440p monitor don't get a 980ti or 1070 good lord. Get an rx470. It is more than enough at that resolution on your speccy. Hell, intel hd graphics might cut it
Luke Jackson
it is not worth stacking fans unless you really, really fucking want to. just make sure the fans push air through the radiator just do your cable management and get rid of unnecessary drive cages and 4 fans is plenty. not sure why or what there is to oc on the mobo though
Zachary Gutierrez
>16gb of ram >skylake i5
and you recommend a low tier card? a 1070 would be awesome with that.
>drop >drop >3000mhz ram >bigger SSD
so basically you're saying i should drop two great parts and then o/c the shit out of my mobo and upload it all to an SSD
actually i'm steering towards the crucial 1.1tb m.2 for that wire management.
Dylan Anderson
sorry, I'm not using that display, planning on gaming 1080p @60Hz
Adam Young
the motherboard only runs 2400 without an overclock.
but i've already gotten rid of my drive cages besides the SSD and basement HDDs, so there should be a good bit of airflow
Ayden Watson
Hey guys, I ended up digging up info to answer my second question myself so I'll post it here for anyone who was considering using multiple nvme SSDs over PCIe.
If you're going to use M.2 SSDs through PCIe and you want to use RAID, you can use software RAID, but I don't know if any software RAID supports TRIM. If your motherboard chipset has PCIe lanes and "intel rapid storage technology" a hardware RAID mode is available with TRIM support, but the SSDs you use have to be on PCIe lanes that go through the chipset, otherwise you're forced to use software RAID. Pic related.
However, it looks like NVMe RAID under IRST might still be buggy, or even limited by the hardware in the case of faster NVMe drives. From a mod on the asrock forums: >forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=305&PID=21812&title=sm951-as-os-boot-device-information#21812 >You can see the Intel RAID software, or possibly the limitation of the chipset, hits a wall at ~3.5GB/s for the large file sequential read speed. So we get virtually no RAID 0 scaling of performance with a SSD that is already at 3GB/s+ read speed. >WARNING!!! You MUST, MUST have at least one SATA drive connected to one of the available SATA ports BEFORE you attempt to install the IRST Windows software. If you don't the installation will freeze about 2/3 of the way through it, and if it does complete, it will say an unknown error occurred. The IRST Windows program will NOT run in that situation. You can't fix it by adding a SATA drive after the fact. At least it never worked for me.
tl;dr: newer intel chipsets have hardware RAID that works for nvme drives that pass through the chipset, but it's new and potentially buggy.
Juan Rogers
>1280x720 >needing a 1070
do you hate money? rx480 is mid teir and 1070 is just too much for 1080p 60hz then get an rx480, much better performance per dollar at 1080p 60hz. if you want some 144hz buttery smoothness or 1440p then get a 1070, otherwise not worth the money as it is about $150 more or so than the rx480 on amazon so you're ocing the ram?
Nathaniel Peterson
What would a make a cheap htpc? I was thinking of making a build with the new pentium, a cheap motherboard, using integrated graphics, and how much ram should I get?(I don't plan on using the pc for gaming just as a media center/ htpc for media.) Can this be done between $250-$400?