Okay, so putting Win 7 on this may be difficult, should I bother...

Okay, so putting Win 7 on this may be difficult, should I bother? Would it be better to keep my good OS and live in 6mb SSD pleb-land? or should I be like the kool kidz and get this wonderful thing and be saddled with Spyware10: Selling your personal information edition?

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It's easy. I work at a small engineering firm and we've been switching over to NVMe drives (SM951, SM961, 950 PRO). You can either use the Samsung data migration shit or just install fresh and load the drivers on installation (literally just put them on a flash drive and click three extra buttons during install).

It wont boot or load your games quicker than a sata drive so whatever works for you

I know you're right, and practical...

But my ePeen...i want it to say i can data transfer at 2000 mb per second.

>SSD on an SATA connection = max of about 550MB/s on reads
>SSD on an NVMe connection = max of about 2.9GB/s on reads
>says the NVMe won't be any faster
>stupid fucking people will be the death of us all

>It won't* boot or load your games quicker than a sata drive
>magnitude better I/O ops
>significantly better bandwidth
PLEASE, at least read something about it before posting

>same computer
>Fallout 4 HDD load speed: 40sec
>Fallout 4 SATA SSD load speed: 4.50sec
>Fallout 4 NVMe SSD load speed 1.90sec
hmm

The human eye can't transfer faster than 23MB/s anyway

NVMe does not queue like AHCI does, it can literally send, receive, request several commands and files at once.

It's what I'm planning to do for my last rig to ride out Windows 10.

support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet

Windows 10 ends its mainstream support, meaning that despite what MS tells you, this isn't the "last" version of Windows.

At that point I hope to be dead from too much sex with beautiful women on top a pile of money. But barring that I'll actually be considering installing gentoo or whatever the fuck alternatives there are. Or maybe be like the millions of people that still run XP and don't give a fuck anymore about updates.

The bottleneck eventually becomes the program itself, and not the hardware. A big ass SolidWorks assembly only loads marginally faster on an NVMe drive because of other limitations.

I've read about them. I've used them. They're useful, but "le big numbers" only goes so far.

Same only it's win 7 for me (the op) no win 10 for me, going to some kind of distro from this point on...maybe mint. Windows from this point on is nothing more than a video game os and will be treated as such by me.

I do some video editing and would like to get into 3d animation so i feel like the NVMe, while still overkill, will get a lot of use out of me.

Windows 10 will just give way to "Windows 10 Update 1" or "Windows 10.1" or "Windows 10 2018" or some shit.

We'll be drowning in Windows 10 for many years to come user.

>using wangblows

Just remember that Windows 7 came with NVMe drivers. You need to patch an install USB with a NVMe driver hotfix and even that won't include TRIM support.

>hypothetical game needs to load 1GB of data
>10s with HDD 100MB/s
>2s SATA SSD 500MB/s
>0.5s NVMe SSD 2000MB/s
The NVMe SSD may be 4 times faster in relative terms but in absolute terms it's only 1.5 seconds faster in this scenario. As soon as the game needs at least 1.5 seconds of CPU time for the load process the NVMe SSD won't make even a difference.

1.5 seconds are well within the 3 second attention span of your average user when it comes to a response to an action

That doesn't matter when the programm loads files like this.

for(int i = 0; i < len; i++) {
load(file[i]);
}


The program waits for each individual file to be fully read before processing the next.
We need async for file access to take advantage of SSDs.

One non-performance related benefit (for most in practical terms) of NVMe is you don't have to sacrifice sata slots (good if you have all those drives full of porn) for it - pcie lanes are relatively expendable.

Go fuck yourself

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I'm wondering how much CPU time is spent on unpacking the data. If none then we're fucked otherwise they should start using something like flatbuffers or capnproto.

Where does sata come from you dumb shit?

>good if you have all those drives full of porn

this. VR porn is KILLING my HDD, my 1TB is dangerously close to full, and thats without factoring in the 4k video future. I have to put Star Trek Discovery somewhere!

like other anons have said, it's likely largely from software not even attempted data loads in parallel with async/multiplexed handling.

Yeah I also have the sm951 on my home pc. Doing a fresh install is the same as using a hard drive.

There are VERY FEW tasks that fully utilize ssds, much less pcie ssds

Everyone posts that one fucking outlier, but real world, you see no difference once your read speed goes passed 350-400mbps due to other bottlenecks.

Its a reason I recommend people to get a game hdd, not a game ssd. store more and most of the time, if its only used for games, it will read 200+mb seek time may get a bit fucked but its your entire game collection on one drive.

Then get a 256/512 ssd for boot at minimum. personally have a 120mb sata 2 intel drive that i have yet to fill completely after 6 years, just using it as boot, 256-512 will allow for 2-5 actively played games that do benefit massively from an ssd to be installed.

point being, when going for an ssd, make sure its 500mb read, somewhat reliable, and after that price, if it happens to be a pcie/m2/sata/nvme what the fuck ever, cheap trumps 500+speed

Oh, if you record raw data, or do video editing work, this is one of the VERY few applications where nvme/pcie drives actually preform better then sata.

Why do you and other people here seem to be against advantages in technology? I mean hell M.2 pciex4 is coming soon and we are talking 4 gigabytes a second. That is crazy insane and so awesome!

>M.2 pciex4
I meant M.2 PCI-E 3.0 x8

Guess what? Turns out it's difficult with Windows 10 too if you have any other drives plugged in. Decent chance you'll get errors upon trying to install unless you physically unplug the other drives.

Is this even a problem?

People keep talking about minor speed increases for the money, but there is also a 20 percent reduction in latency that you can feel.

I have a 128GB ssd drive for Windows, drivers, basic software

A 480GB ssd for games that take advantage of faster loading time (DE:MD, Witcher 3, etc)

And a 1TB HDD for games, movies, music, pics, etc.

Here is mine

get fucked

can't you just put the Win7 NVMe update into a Win7 iso and install it without a problem?

Also latency reduction.

He could just download the tool from GIGABYTE's website.

I'm not sure if the 960 has a different driver that may not work with 7, though.

...yeah really don't know the point you were trying to make with that at all. 1/10 made me reply

>I'm not sure if the 960 has a different driver that may not work with 7, though.

Why would people want to use m.2 with an old system/OS. It probably is x2 anyway.

Why not?

The new M.2 interfaces are x4 and much faster. x2 isn't much faster than a sata 3 ssd.

Yeah thanks, but what does that have to do with W7?

Quit being a massive faggot and install Gentoo

Why is putting win7 on nvme drive "difficult"?

How is it different to normal install?

Are newer windows affected?

That there is no reason to buy a new system and put win7 instead of 10 on it and M.2 is designed to work with newer systems.

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Because Win7 doesn't come with integrated NVMe drivers

So it's just a problem for luddites who don't want new windows.

Cool, thanks.

>he has a kingston/ocz ssd

What about the fact that Win10 is an awful OS?

Bullshit

It's all the same driver, moron.

>It's all the same driver, moron.
If you mean the same driver starting in windows 8, not 7, right?

No, you stupid inbred pajeet, the same driver is good for ALL of them

samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/download/tools.html

>UEFI Bios

hes right. i noticed virtually no performance increase with my 950 pro (1.5gb writes / 2.5gb reads) over my 850 pro on sata (550mb). i think bf1 loads maybe two seconds faster? mankind divided 1 second? i'm just guessing here because i can't really see a big, let alone decent improvement. fresh install of everything and using the samsung driver too. i've been fairly disappointed with how much the thing cost me. i mean yeah its cool that i can copy a file on the drive and write it back to the drive again at 1.5gb but that's been about it from a noticeable standpoint. it wasn't like going from a mechanical to a sata ssd at all. no where close to that level of being noticeable.

1) unless you got a heatsink they have severe throttling issues
2) they cost significantly more
3) there are VERY few outliers where applications actually perform better over pcie then they do off sata.

I'm not against the advancement of technology, but when it costs more and literally does not proportionally do better why the fuck brother?

here lets look a 256 range ssd up. the cheapest 240-300gb range ssd is around 67$ from known brands
the cheapest M.2 driver that actually offers speed above an ssd is 120$

and when 99% of applications stop showing tangible benefits after 400mb read, is it worth the double the price for epenis? Unless you happen to fall in the VERY small range of people who benefit tangible from higher read and write, this is something you may as well pass on unless its cost difference is insignificant.

seeing as I am currently looking at 1tb boot/game ssd myself for my next build, what is the cheapest nvme, because the cheapest m.2/2.5 is 255$ right now.

I paid $200 for my sm951 two years ago. 256gb. It was a great buy.

I imagine by next year the x8 versions will be out. Only problem is I'll need a new motherboard.

So you're asking whether you should add the driver at install or hand your balls to Microcuck?

Just install W7 on it. It's not that hard.

you just have to install Win7 in uefi mode and you have to have the driver for the NVME drive on a second disk

>Make a UEFI windows 7 disk
>Put drivers on second flash drive
>Boot flash drive in UEFI
>at choose destination disk insert driver flash drive and select driver
>install windows 7

I early adopted a Intel 750 series and use Win7