There's a vim thread, so we need an Emacs thread. Questions and screenshots welcome.
I just converted from vim recently and already I'm finding the lack of vim's mode system really nice, as well as the frame system and e-lisp. I think I'm adapting to it pretty well, but still need to work at moving more of my workflow to Emacs. Right now in addition to editing text I just compile things and do some git stuff from M-x term, any advice?
Also if the vim users here to talk shit about Emacs despite never having tried it would just fuck off that would be great.
Pic related is my setup, doom one color scheme, rust mode, company, and a few other tweaks.
I tried emacs for a few days and didn't like it. Then I tried it for 3 months and hated it. My complaints are: extensions are very low-quality. For example. geiser would hang randomly while doing nothing, which in turn would hang emacs as a whole (despite the concurrency meme). This has been a recurrent theme. Control scheme is dogshit, period. It's not borderline unusable, it's plain unusable. Evil mode is a very poor imitation of vim controls, nevermind the incompatibilities with the logical functions of other extensions. The default modes are a joke. Protip emacstards: tabs for indenting, spaces for aligning. Space-only fags deserve the death penalty. Finally, the abysmal support for working in terminals is disgraceful.
However I love the elisp and multifont, and the usually more powerful extensions. Smartindent is great and orgmode is downright unparalleled. The integrated package manager is also a godsend.
Overall, I still prefer vim, but I always reevaluate whether I should move to emacs because vim is always chuckfull of bugs (the program itself, rather than the extensions which are usually significantly more polished than the emacs ones).
Nathaniel Walker
vim is a lot better, emacs is putrid
Tyler Collins
Rust is the best language ever made. Fuck off shill. Remacs master race.
Ethan Hernandez
>abysmal support for working in terminals Did you even try using Emacs over ssh? Emacs-nox on the terminal works fantastically.
Grayson Smith
In a terminal, emacs has tons of limitations, with regard to colors, use of keybinds (esc doesn't work in keybinds for instance, except with a set of horrible hacks as performed by evil-mode), commands and controls. I don't know what emacs-nox is or if it differs from emacs. If not then that's that.
Anthony Morgan
I'm just starting with Emacs. But the default keybinding for simple text editing are so shit, that I basically have to use evil-mode if I want to be productive.
Lincoln Bell
I absolutely love Magit for git work (and evil-magit to go along with it because I will never give up modal editing. Too comfy.)
Xavier Evans
OP of vim thread here. Linus torvalds uses Emacs.
Anthony Scott
openbsd ships nvi and mg, a tiny emacs clone, because "there shouldn't be any reason to learn more editor types than emacs or vi."
a good reason
Dylan Gomez
Who uses vi/vim then?
Jaxon Moore
Linus and rms.
Isaiah Rodriguez
Why would RMS use vim when he is the person who created emacs?
Isaiah Garcia
That looks pretty nice I'll have to try it. I tried evil in the past after using vim, but it got too messy for me because you still need emacs editor commands as well, then I tried full emacs and haven't looked back since.
Jacob Morales
I've been using emacs for about a decade. I occasionally have to curse Saint IGNUcius when my emacs.d gets out of control.
Emacs + Clojure(script) + REPL is really comfy for dev work.
elfeed plugin for RSS reading
Mu4e plugin for email.
Still haven't converted to ERC or FF/Chome keybindings yet.
Henry Hughes
nice font size in your emacs
Hudson Green
monospace-16pt is actually pretty comfy.
I tend to have a projector on most of the time when working (movies/yt/streams) - so I can throw it up on the projector and work and still read it without contacts.
Also I tend to be able to think better about my code when it's in visibly large chunks.
MS Word default of 12px and the eye straining hethens who run 10px be damned.
Gavin Evans
Hi there fellow emacsen
Jose Edwards
Probably one of the best things you can do to improve your Emacs skills is to read the entire Emacs User Manual and Emacs Lisp Manual. You don't need to and probably shouldn't try to read it all at once, but read a chapter a day or something.
Zachary Hughes
>Protip emacstards: tabs for indenting, spaces for aligning. First of all, your taste is shit. Second of all, complaining about something that is literally toggled by a single option makes you a retard or an asshole, probably both. Third of all, Emacs indents with tabs by default, you retarded piece of shit.
Chase Davis
Emacs has the same limitations as Vim in a terminal, except Emacs actually has far better terminal support than Vim. Hell, Vim doesn't even support 256 colors in terminals automatically, and don't even bother trying to run Vim on non-UTF-8 terminals.
Juan Roberts
>installed emacs to check it out >navigating through gui menus >see "calendar" >"what? why? if you want a calendar just type cal in a terminal" >see "email" >what? why? if you want an email client just install and type mutt in a terminal"
then I uninstalled and went back to vim
Levi Butler
The point is that emacs isn't a default, you can't just ssh and open emacs on a production system, because it wouldn't be there.
Brandon Carter
you may not know this but emacs is the native DE of the gnu/hurd distribution
Josiah Howard
I really want to use emacs, but I'm so used to vim... > ctrl + key > meta + key
these things are hardest to adapt for me... I have leader key set in my vim config, but I rarely use it.
Also, I failed to set up eclim in emacs, but succeeded in vim.
So... how to rewire my brain in to use emacs more comfortably than vim?
Not besides what spacemacs gives you at the new splash screen, I don't actually use it really
Chase Sanchez
Install use package.
Specify all packages you use in your init. You will get the same emacs env on every machine that way.
Projectile, ivy, counsel, swiper are godly.
Also a reminder that emacs isn't a text editor. It's a totally customisable environment that includes the ability to edit text. Emacs holds no opinion on how this should be done.
Also being able to browse documentation in emacs is super important. All packages tend to have good docs l.
Ryder Ramirez
To learn lisp is to learn emacs.
Nolan Gray
Unironically used exwm for a long time. Always having a scratch buffer available was a dream come true.
Adrian Peterson
Use spacemacs
Connor Parker
emacs gave him rsi.
Hudson Gray
>toggled by a single option If only. You have to toggle it manually for each filetype because pretty much all filetype-specific modes override the default settings
William Sanchez
What the fuck am I reading. vim has supported 256 color terminals based on $TERM since forever. Vim does not have problems with the esc key unlike emacs. Vim doesn't have problems replicating a color scheme in terminals except in esoteric ones. Vim doesn't have limitations on commands either. Plus, because its command scheme isn't retarded by default, it works significantly better in a terminal than emacs, due to things like tabs, but also for plain window switching. Not to mention undo history and buffers. Unlike emacs, all vim plugins work in terminals. Emacs support for terminals is so bad you might as well just pretend it doesn't exist. On the other hand, vim in terminal is the preferred mode of operation.
Jaxson Jones
How did you configured your fonts in X this way? I mean rendering settings.
Hunter Hill
Emacs is a good operating system. Too bad it lacks a decent text editor.
Dominic Howard
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Christopher Martinez
>subdued parens The epiphany of learning to read Lisp by the indentation instead of having to focus on the parens anymore. Pure beauty.
Caleb Gonzalez
Emacs has an excellent editor written for it, it's called evil-mode, check it out. Vim fans love it.
Nolan Hughes
he actually did it the absolute madman hahahahahahaha!
Dylan Diaz
This is my Emacs. Colorscheme is 'gotham-theme', font is 'M+ 1m'.
William Edwards
Evil is dogshit. It's a joke, plain and simple, unlike vim.
Robert Young
what font is that?
Matthew Reyes
>On the other hand, vim in terminal is ONLY mode of operation. Fixed, the only reason you're complaining is because Vim's GUI is a joke. The reason Emacs's GUI has features the terminal version doesn't is because of physical limitations of terminals. Emacs can't do anything about that.
>vim has supported 256 color terminals based on $TERM since forever Wiki says you have to set t_Co=256, so not automatically. Emacs has supported automatic detection and support for a long time.
>Vim does not have problems with the esc key unlike emacs. Emacs doesn't either; terminals have problems with esc.
>Vim doesn't have problems replicating a color scheme in terminals except in esoteric ones. Neither does Emacs. Not only does it adapt to 256 colors, it also adapts to 16 colors.
>Vim doesn't have limitations on commands either. kek, Vim commands aren't even comparable with Emacs commands, which are first class functions.
>Not to mention undo history and buffers. A Vim user talking about undo history and buffers when shit-talking Emacs. Next you'll tell me Vim has macros (protip: Emacs keyboard macros make Vim look like a joke)
Jeremiah Hall
>you can't just ssh and open emacs on a production system, because it wouldn't be there.
Lmao. Why are people on Sup Forums so desperate to voice their opinion despite being absolutely clueless on the topic? Is this the famous Mount Stupid?
If it's a file, it will open the file as expected. If it's a directory, it will switch to DIRED.
Owen Carter
what guarantee you have that the remote machine you will be connecting to will have your-editor-of-choice? None. tramp supports ftp, ssh, rlogin and telnet, so just take your editor with you.
Frequently taking your work home? Set up an emacs server on your workstation and connect your local emacsclient to a remote session and continue work exactly where you left off.
But how do I get tramp to work properly? Sometimes, I'll open and edit a file, but do not have the appropriate permissions to save (system file like fstab for instance). I've looked it up in the past and various sites talk about 'M-x tramp' but this never really works. I'd like to know the preferred way of escalating permissions with Emacs, rather than running as root.
