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What's actually holding you back from switching away from Windows for good fully over to a Linux distribution?

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linux nerds of Sup Forums: what's holding you back from switching to an actually good os (macOS)?

Windows 10 is the superior operating system, that's why... Why is this so hard for lincucks and iToddlers to understand?

It's about preference and need

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

Shut the fuck up you toe fungus eating sack of shit autist.

I have daul boot Winblows and N00buntu. The only reason why I'm not 100% linux is Adobe.

If Adobe were to release their products on Linux, I'd delete the Windows partition in a heartbeat.

Microsoft knows that

music software

Perfect people have an equal mind, subjectivity is inferiority. Linux is the answer.

They stay on Windows for 2 reasons
1 - muh gaymes. They also actively browse Sup Forums and couldn't imagine not being able to play the latest pure shit from a large AAA dev
2 - Retarded. They think they know about computers because they watched a youtube tutorial and built their own PC for gaymen and then complain that Loonix is 2 hard

Productivity.

Everything in Windows is built for productivity, whether it's office, graphics, spreadsheets, engineering software, architecture and so on.

And for those who like to game, it's the most supportive computing environment for gaming.

There's a professional or decent software solution for everything.

And you normally don't have to worry about drivers since most are installed by the system, unless you need some very specific ones, which are usually provided by the manufacturer.

There is also a huge userbase and lots of experience built around the ecosystem, so you can find a reliable solution for anything fast. You don't have to wait for some obscure hobbyist to develop it in his free time and release once a year or two.

>Productivity.
>Having the OS restart during the middle of work against your will
So productive
>Gaming
Can't argue there
>Drivers
>Have to install drivers from some website or from a disk 90% of the time
wew
>Reliable solution for anything
You've clearly never seen the difference in an average linux forum post and a ms forum post

Releasing their products on Linux would only take them a month tops. I don't see why they won't do it.

>Everything in Windows is built for productivity, whether it's office, graphics, spreadsheets, engineering software, architecture and so on.
Linux has all this. Also
>office
>productivity
Conformed bait

>Having the OS restart during the middle of work against your will
Never happened to me, because I know how to configure it. It's a shame hearing so many people complain about this on a technology board. It shows how many people are technologically incompetent here.

>Have to install drivers from some website or from a disk 90% of the time
The only special drives I had to install on my setup were for the logitech mouse, so I could use custom DPIs and such. Big deal.
Everything else was installed by default by Windows.

>You've clearly never seen the difference in an average linux forum post and a ms forum post
Well that's because Windows appeals to a much larger userbase and in order to seek a fringe OS and go thru the hoops of installing it, you have to have something really borderline about your personality.

And borderline people are complicated and really like living on the edge, complicating their lives as much as possible, to feel like special snowflakes because they're not using something popular.

>everything else is installed by default
Does not include
>GPU
>Bluetooth
>Ethernet
>WiFi

>Linux has all this

Examples?

Do you know like 10 accountants who use spreadsheets software on Linux?

Any 10 engineers who use 3D software to build physical systems?

Architects?

Musicians?

Graphical artists?

Sound producers?

Lawyers, secretaries, clerks etc? (office work)

I've worked in many office environments (both for govt and private firms) and I never saw anyone use Linux there.

In fact, I never saw anyone use linux, except an ugly vegan bitch working for an NGO.

xmodmap.

No seriously, what does POSX have over linux?
Everything just works on linux, why give that up to use worse hardware?

>what is hackintosh

Awful for gaming

Because Linux isn't windows.

Linux has all of that, you just rarely see someone outside of hobbyist use it because companies force people to use certain products

Wtf are you talking I never installed a Bluetooth, ethernet or wifi driver. It installed by itself with the system. Even the SSD driver auto-installed from Intel's servers.

I can't tell about a GPU since I have an iGPU, I don't game that much to need a GPU.

Give some examples, so we can compare the professional/productivity software.

He never heard of Microsoft vga driver and Ethernet and wifi equivalents. How would you expect normies to connect to the internet?

Proper software, video games and the "just works" part of Windows.

I'm embarrassed to admit it, but the reason is video games and Photoshop. I only use Windows offline these days so I'm technically a Lincuck most of the time.

Examples of the software or companies forcing them to use certain ones?

People don't trust software made by some hobbyist devs in their free time.
Since there's not much support or corporate reliability either. Can't sue anyone if shit goes wrong.

That's important for firms. No one to hold accountable if something goes wrong, no support, no service. No contract to sign with someone who provides you the software or the service for the software.

That's how things work in a company.

Unles you live in a Communist commune or hippie village, that is.

>How would you expect normies to connect to the internet?
Drivers come pre-installed on pre-built computers and laptops. Normies buy those exclusively. They usually include driver DVDs.

You tell 'em, my fellow unemployed expert!

The desktop environments all feel unfinished and shit
Linux is always changing and mutating, there is no backwards compatibility. Drivers often suck. New hardware is not outright supported
EVERYTHING GETS FORKED TO DEATH LEADING TO DECREASE IN OVERALL SOFTWARE QUALITY
You have like 50 shit distros that only get developed by one dude in his moms basement. If they all would band together to create one big, wonderful distro, Linsucks would maybe become good. But no. Now we have like

Xorg on the way out, Wayland in - but it still sucks and is broken
BTRFS - still broken and unstable for almost a decade
GRUB still is the main bootloader instead of something sensible
SystemD is always more spreading and has no stable, long-term support version
Snappy instead of .deb packages but not really lol so they will both co-exist, leading to more confusion
and so on

Linux is good if you like to fix things and tinker with them. If you want to do things with your OS, rather than make your OS do things, stay with Windows.

You are terribly misinformed

shit graphics drivers
games not available on linux
shitty port when the game is available

>Drivers come pre-installed on pre-built computers and laptops. Normies buy those exclusively. They usually include driver DVDs.

Not really. I don't have a prebuilt or laptop. When I installed Win10, I didn't need to install any other driver except for the mouse one because it had extra options.

Even the driver for my bluetooth keyboard autoinstalled, because it was a microsoft keyboard. Didn't have to lift one finger, I just paired it with the computer and the system installed the driver in a few seconds and I could use it. No restart needed either.

>You tell 'em, my fellow unemployed expert!
Not the case. I already have 5 years of work (office) experience. Maybe you never worked in an office or anywhere, but that's not the case for me.

>who is RedHat

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

Go kill yourself you fagtist.

Heterosexuality and self respect.

It's weird you say that, coz most Linux users I know are either traps/trannies or pedos.

>pedos
Fuck off, Sup Forums.

>traps
is just a joke.

I also forgot anime manchildren who live in their mom's basement.

I have been gaming on linux the past 10 years what is your problem?

I, ok with this.

Because I have a job, social circle hobbies, friends and events to be at. I don't have all day (nor do I want to) living off neetbux to fuck around trying to get my sound to work on a hoopty ass diy system while sperging out on websites.

I use Linux on my old Thinkpad T61. Works okay, but I mostly use my gaymur PC instead.

Muh games. Osu and VNs don't really run on Linux and I'm not going to bother with wine or patches. True otakus use Windows.

Why should I switch distros when Windows is doing me fine? I could care less about ricing my desktop or "programming"

.tWindowstoddler

They are poor.

Poor and autistic.

If AAC had my little pony icon packs and allowed theming, and could be afforded by single mothers on welfare they would be all over it.

nada viejo me vale verga la vida

I use both. Ubuntu is a secondary system on my machine.
I like Windows, I've been using it all my life.
I also tried os x, but I felt like I was wasting my time. I know only about limitations in that os, but I don't find anything offered by the system that would be unavailable in win/linux or a way that os x somehow would enhance my performance, on the contrary I didn't find many features and software or analogs of the software I've been working with in win/linux, so os x is for toddlers and I had this feeling like I went back to Windows 2000 or something, feeling of a huge mount of extremely old legacy crap. Looks like os x is stuck somewhere in 2002. It's total crap, it doesn't have future. Several of my friends who were iOS devs moved to Android and started using Java and changed their jobs.
Even with Linux I don't feel it.
Also, in Windows 10 they added Linux subsystem, that's good. I'm working with virtualization, docker and etc.
Don't be a retard, you can use many systems. I know people who have a Windows desktop at work, have a Macbook at home and use a smartphone with Android.

In my case it's Ableton Live

>Can't sue anyone if shit goes wrong.
That's why RedHat exists.

Sup Forums

My college

winehq.org/search?q=ableton live

You're welcome.

>installing a windows compatibility layer that most definitely runs the program worse instead of just using Windows natively.

Lincuck stupidity never fails to astound me lol

No Photoshop or Lightroom.
Simply put, if Adobe had linux support I would get rid of windows.

Videojames

I make vidya jams for a living and most of my userbase is on windows, i also doubt my tools would work on linux without either ton of tinkering or crippling bugs.

Linux is shit on a tablet

Encrypted Windows 7 with updates turned off is pretty comfy for me

As soon as GNU/Linux gets Xenocara to stop the gaping security vulnerabilities in Xorg I will move over. I tried Wayland on Fedora 25 but it's still not great and I really don't want to have to use GNOME.

But until then, Windows is for me since I'm pretty security concious

No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.

You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?

If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this:

Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux' huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don't be a nag.

Thanks for listening.

Because Windows is better than Unix systems for the purposes I am using it. And for you too, darling.

Given the vast majority of Sup Forums are tech-illiterates who can't comprehend even Control Panel in Windows 10 to configure/disable their updates (and that's done in like 4 mouse clicks), I can assure you - you have no real purpose in using anything Unix-related. You are wasting your time trying to recreate some elementary functions proper desktop OS have and get a feeling of satisfaction and superiority when you finally get something done.
Surprise, it's still a massive waste of time and a really casual task that feels like an achievement to you only due to your own ignorance.
I have much more respect for people who don't use Windows (or even OSX while we're at that) with the strange motivation of refusing to pirate stuff while not being able to afford to buy it properly than for people who are putting up an act of c001 h4x0r3z fighting "botnet 'n' stuff".

And having the need (and hence creating these threads) for self-reassurance to justify yourself is pretty pathetic. You are wasting your time and your life playing "gaymes" - it's just your "gayme" is actually a Unix system.

Unix environment is used when it's needed. It's used for getting shit done, not to watch Chinese porn cartoons and like fresh memes on Facebook. It's a sign of genuine idiocy to unironically suggest using anything Unix-based as a desktop OS (Well, save for OSX, I guess, but I hate OSX personally). It wasn't made for this purpose. It isn't developed for this purpose. The rudimental desktop-oriented functions these OS possess are made as convenience measures for developers, not as means to "overthrow the botnet".

Please provide the source link for the original full image.

Games and ease of use. I have FreeNAS server for tinkering but most of the time I just want easy mode

>What's actually holding you back from switching away from Windows for good fully over to a Linux distribution?
Having it work without wasting my time.
Priorities:
1. Doing what I want.
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1337. Freedom from ``possible'' thought based oppression.

Extreme stableness while having the latest software.
Debian and Ubuntu have broke on me from package updates. Windows has never failed me.

Because I'm a gayman

Linux seems to have issues with Youtube and the Windows environment is what I'm used to. Though Windows 10 has so little in common with classic Windows that I might as well switch to Linux when continuing to use Windows 7 becomes a non-option.

I've given Linux a few tries as a primary OS but the amount of time I spend fixing any one issue is ridiculous. I wanna watch netflix. Oops gotta install a specific browser for that. Oops gotta configure some file somewhere to make the HTML5 display correctly. Oops gotta configure all these files to make font rendering not retarded. Oops it's not supported on that branch of that driver, you better get this other one that won't recognize your hardware and only works half the time. It's GPL!

>Windows 10 has so little in common with classic Windows
That's a blatant lie.

Why would you want to pay hundreds of dollars for a bloated proprietary shitware OS that will try to delete your existing OS partition, when you could get effectively the same functionality with a simple apt-get command?

Android is definitely WAAY better than whatever "Windows" version runs on a tablet

Battlefield 1

>whatever "Windows" version runs on a tablet
Windows 10. The version the runs on a tablet is Windows 10 - the same as on PC. With all the functions and tools available, limited only by the specs of the tablet.

Look, a cuckold.

What Linus Torvalds created - the Linux kernel - is not by itself a complete operating system. You have to add SOMETHING else to make it minimally usable - that something is often, but not always, the GNU userland. So the general family of operating systems that combine the Linux kernel with the GNU userland is GNU/Linux. Distributions are a separate matter - they are a collection of software, including the Linux kernel and usually some form of GNU userland, as well as various third-party programs, in a form that can be easilly installed and run on a user's computer.

If your reasoning is that the Linux kernel by itself DOES include everything needed to meet the definition of a complete operating system, then you'd also have to accept that Microsoft Windows is not an operating system. Instead, the operating system is merely MS-DOS or NT, and Windows is merely an additional software package provided on top of it.

Your XFree86 argument seems to be one of the strongest arguments against "GNU/Linux", however recall that the GNU/Linux refers to an operating system FAMILY. It does not represent the most precise definition of any particular operating system package. The most precise you can get without getting into actual version numbers would be something like "Debian GNU/XFree86/Linux", though the exact order of terms after the distribution name isn't particularly relevant. It means a system which uses the GNU userland and XFree86, on top of the Linux kernel, and is a distribution maintained by the Debian people. But "GNU/Linux", the term, refers to ANY operating system with both GNU and Linux, it neither confirms or denies the presence of XFree86. The terminology is a specification of features - if a program requires both the Linux kernel and GNU userland, it would be labelled as "runs on GNU/Linux". If it requires only XFree86 but has no other requirements beyond what XFree86 requires, it's "runs under XFree86".

Keep in mind that by "classic" I mean Win2000 and earlier. Even the transition to Win7 was painful for me.

Which just shows how shitty an OS is. You shouldn't be running a tablet OS on a PC.

I'm lazy and Windows (7) werks. Also muh gaymen.

Videogames.
WINE is shit and Linux ports usually run like dogshit.

I switched to OSX instead.

You could just get a console. That's what I did. Laptop + console masterrace.

Console games are bad and run at bad framerates.

I can't be arsed. I'm aware of the myriad reasons why switching would be a good idea, and in theory I agree with them, but at the end of the day what I'm currently running Just Werks™.

Fear of looking stupid for not doing it before
Fear of looking stupid when they can't install a program

There are no proper DAWs available for Linux. Ardour, Bitwig etc are a joke.
And eben if there was a DAW available you still couldn't properly produce music because there are no plug-ins available.

Solidworks is the only thing I need to run on Windows that I can't get anywhere else. I've used my Linux laptop exclusively for a few months before, over school breaks, and that was fine.

Which shows you know shit about the platform you are talking about.

I think I like to micromanage the shit out of my systems and with Mac OS or Windows it feels a lot easier to write off a lot of things as simply part of the operating system. GNU/Linux is so incredibly modular and I never feel satisfied with my setup, I'm always tweaking the shit out of it or installing new packages to try things out and I ultimately end up with a system I feel is cluttered and incoherent.

But that's just one of the ultimate reasons, I have plenty of other reasons for liking my current setup; I prefer the Windows look-and-feel, I like the history and underlying architectural ideas behind NT, I like the commercial staples, and I like the compatibility that allows me to run all kinds of weirdo software I find in the depths of the internet. I'll stick to using both (and many other operating systems) where they're most convenient to or fun for what I want to accomplish.

>What's actually holding you back from switching away from Windows for good fully over to a Linux distribution?
Give me a linux distro that is complete GUI only, no command line whatsoever, not for troubleshooting driver problems, not for installing or updating anything.

Gaming mostly. If not for gaming I'd be on Linux. I'm actually planning to use it on my new laptop, since laptops are for srs bsns anyways

>laptops are for srs bsns
wat

switching cost is too high for the benefits I'd get, pretty simple vOv.

maybe I'll reconsider when Windows 7 extended support is done and Windows 10 is inevitably still a bad OS.

Android is shit on large screen, ironically they were the ones who pushed phablets

>whatever "Windows" version runs on a tablet
Nowadays, that would be full-fledged x86 Windows 10.

KDE breaks a lot.