What should I choose? What is better paid in future? Which one has more staying potential, less burnout, etc?
Frontend Developer in Ireland: PRO - currently learning Angular JS (dem jobz) - have 2 years of actual experience with webshit (html,css,js,sql) - potentially can earn 40000€ (31,169€ after tax) , to about 70000€ max after another 5 years then hitting dead end - still growing industry - easy to start your own company - can sell my skills everywhere CON - super expensive rent in Ireland (1100€+) - volatile and always changing, no rest - competition will get stronger - no actual offers because I am still learning and cant actually put Angular on my CV (well, I can but...) - you HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE if you want more money (basically going full freelance/CEO startup)
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Automation Engineer in Germany: PRO - got my bachelors in that - have an offer 40000€ (31,169€ after tax) - company will pay rent (when on field in Germany) - will receive training - competition will probably not grow that much - can later move to Switzerland after I learn German and be well paid rich person CON - can't speak German - eastern european in Germany - will be looked down upon - slow growth industry - no actual experience - traveling to bumfuck nowhere for months (probably) - hard to get to the top of company (big boys like Siemens, Liebherr, whatever are fucked like that) - good luck trying to start your own company - project can take months, years - not that many countries to sell my skills (in Ireland, for example, Angular devs can get up to 75k€ and Automation Engineers 60k€ max) - automationworld.com/automation-team/personal-growth-success-automation
Henry Miller
>Automation Engineer in Germany obviously this
Lucas Richardson
like full career or until I get frontend offer? I kinda want to be a rich fuck by the time I am 40 yr old. With frontend my abilities to switch to new hot framework every year will weaken, automation is much slower but much more limited too. are you saying that because of the competition that will grow in webshit?
Noah Jones
That engineering job will look way better on your resume
Ryan Diaz
not if I want to go into webshit maybe if I sell them that IoT meme (but I don't know Java or C++ so...)
Michael Watson
>not if I want to go into webshit ...but why?
if you have an offer where a company is going to give you 40k plus rent plus training in a much better industry than fucking web shit why are you even considering the former at all?
Matthew Lopez
This
Matthew Lewis
In a five years The Man will probably fuck up software jobs with cheap kids and you will be paid like a fucking mechanic. When that time comes, automation might survive for a while longer.
Noah Wood
>- eastern european in Germany - will be looked down upon Just don't act like a bydlo and you should be fine I think
Angel Brown
>- eastern european in Germany - will be looked down upon jej, potatoes are just as bad regarding to that so just go with germany
Lincoln Martin
No one cares about Eastern Europeans, aside from Romanians. The others work hard and don't cause trouble. They're normal here.
Tyler Mitchell
pls you look down on everyone even though you're a bunch of drunkards while claiming to be white, you're worse than the english
Andrew Sullivan
>Automation Engineer in Germany this if you want to play it safe.
>- eastern european in Germany - will be looked down upon not true. between all those syrian/north african savages that are flooding the country, an educated eastern european is a welcome sight. you'll have to put some effort into learning the language though. say hello to your new friends der, die and das.
this won't make you "let's buy another yacht"-rich but it's more than enough for a decent lifestyle.
Levi Nelson
>this won't make you "let's buy another yacht"-rich but it's more than enough for a decent lifestyle. Well depends on which area you live in. With 40k per year you wont have much after covering the costs of living, but in eastern germany you will pretty much live like a king with that money.
Carter Williams
potential to get to the project leader position. but I do agree with you, I just need couple of different opinions to bounce off
thanks
no worries there, shirt, occasional tie (I like to dress up not dress down), smart shoes and pants, being well groomed, acting like a professional with some safe humor will take care of that I don't know if it will help with getting to higher positions though
oh, good to hear guess we are not in the 70's and 80's anymore just need to make sure I learn german perfectly
what about potential for growth and career development? like should I join some "yacht club" (well, play soccer with colleagues or whatever with higher ups) to get on their good side and be more than just a reliable foreigner? and what would that club/society/activity be? what do project leaders/managers/higherups do in their spre time?
yeah, but it's a fine start year and a half later I will be looking for a position that pays 60k€, or 100k CHF in CH (if I get the language part perfected)
Jackson White
>year and a half later I will be looking for a position that pays 60k€, or 100k CHF in CH (if I get the language part perfected)
don't fall for the swiss ruse. their cost of living is ridiculous.
Kevin King
2500 CHF a month, I know. need 30k CHF a year just to break even however - people push up to 100-120k CHF, mid-level up to 140k CHF
Tyler Jenkins
also Switzerland is generally not very welcoming to foreign workers You can live with there but it's hard, if not impossible, to be accepted as one of their own.
It is a clean and beautiful country tho.
Oliver Hall
odjebi pederu
Isaiah Stewart
first is better in all cases so far
Angel Martin
In both countries you will get stabbed by savage rapefugees. Move to America if you aren't here already.
Julian Martin
how do I move to amerika?
Leo Morgan
You can't now. Should have tried a few months ago.
Justin King
Not a mudslim you faggot >aryan master race
Adrian Myers
>and what would that club/society/activity be? what do project leaders/managers/higherups do in their spre time? Golf is typical Don't do this though, we hate sucker-ups. Be your own man
One thing to keep in mind is that daily cost of living (groceries etc) is much higher than in Germany, especially in the east of Germany (I'd go to the west though, that's where the money is)