>One of the other sample takes the name of Core i5 7640K . At first glance, this is also a speed bump of the Core i5 7600K: Quad Core, 6MB L3, 4.0GHz base frequency for the 7640K against 3.8GHz for the 7600K. On the TDP side, it would also climb above the 100W. But there is much more interesting: the Core i5 7640K would have active SMT (Hyper-threading), a first for a Core i5 Desktop. This modification profoundly upsets the segmentation of the different "Core". Until now, the Core i5 were distinguished from the Core i7 by the absence of Hyper-threading.
AMD hasn't had a profitable quarter in years and Intel is posting record highs, Intel spends over 15 times more on R&D(lets assume at least half on fabs) than AMD does.
It would be an utter and complete embarrassment for Intel to actually lose like this. But maybe it was inevitable, KabyLake is still a bolted P6 arch core.
Luis Thompson
Didn't they have mad deals with console manufacturers?
they're obviously desperate but a chip with a proper fucking thermal solution that'll run 20 degrees cooler at the same clocks could be appealing to a certain segment that want performance but lack the inclination or competence to delid kaby lake, aka gaymers. it's not nearly enough to save them though.
Dominic Powell
>bandaid treatment for Zen butthurt >HT on some i5's >solder instead of TIM
Lmao Intel that's so desperately cute.
Xavier Miller
>he thinks AMD can even touch Intel
So deluded
Gabriel Mitchell
>for 8 years Intel blocked HT on desktop i5 >AMD becomes ever so slightly competitive >suddenly they enable the HT microcode rly makes you're neural network fire
Ryan Flores
Fanboy opinions are irrelevant, go suck on a 31 stage pipeline.
Jeremiah Garcia
>MOAR GHZ Literally Netburst
Ayden Martinez
Jayhawk was supposed to have 51 =)
Christopher Powell
Did no one mention that that's arson to Intel?
Anthony Jackson
This low tdp obsession needs to stop. I wan't power, I do not care about heat or power usage. Below 100W is pathetic, this is a not a smartphone. People are buying 200W graphic chips but oh no the cpu can't go across 100W that would be disaster house fire if that happened.
Evan Jenkins
Housefires are okay.
Easton Reyes
I don't understand how Intel have allowed $50-$100 of value to go for just the price of a pack of razor blades, thermal compound, adhesive and half an hour of your time.
Even if it isn't worth your time, it's worth paying someone to do it for you.
Strange.
Eli Jenkins
you don't understand, saving 5 million on 1 million chips is VERY important nobody cares that million chips made a billion, we saved whole damn 5 millions dollars in the process
accountant bureaucrats logic, someone at intel feels good about this
Levi Foster
it's pathetic even for intel, in fact it's so lame that I doubt this rumor is even true. What I think they'll do instead is just release coffee lake a lot sooner than they initially bothered.
Landon Morales
Which is Skylake 3.0: second boogaloo.
Tyler Jackson
Their CEO is an idiot so stupid moves are expected
Xavier Robinson
It's only illegal if you get caught.
Leo Green
I love capitalism
Adam King
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Christopher Lee
So if the i5 7640K has hyper-threading then what it is the point of the i7 line?
Nolan Campbell
I've been looking for a replacement for the trusty 2500K so if AMD actually provide something decent I'll consider switching to them. Knowing AMD they'll find some way to fuck this up sadly.
Jonathan Hughes
>Intel has been caught with its pants down.
This was obvious months ago
Jack Gutierrez
My bet would be instruction sets. Some are still likely to be disabled on the i5 line, making them impractical for workstation loads.
John Martin
>Le service de communication d’Intel cherche désormais à éviter à tout prix l’humiliation que représenterait un Ryzen comparable aux Core i7 6900K (1200€) >1200€ i might be a slowpoke here, but holy shit the jewing truly knows no end
Nolan Murphy
Cache, VT-d, and disabled features, better bins, power consumption.
Landon Walker
>solder instead of TIM But they literally said they stopped doing that because of cracking, and not because of muh shekels. I had this argument last night in another thread. Intel can really go fuck themselves now. No fucking way am I going to get one of their chips ever. Bringing out solder as a fucking upgrade when it was possible all along.
Jonathan Jackson
>significantly higher TDP (> 100W against 91W) >9 fucking watts
Dominic Smith
The whole delidding fad and latest chips like Kaby being house fire seems to prove certain people right. People were saying Intel has had fab production and quality control issues since broadwell/skylake. I know I'm not the only person here who remembers cpu's without an IHS (AMD) when they moved away from slot 1 and slot A.
I doubt AMD and Intel would ever magically switch market share. Even if that were to happen it would be a linear move. It's also retarded to think that if AMD has the better or equal product that people won't make the switch especially if it's slightly cheaper (even twenty dollars).
Joseph Sanders
Does this mean Ryzen is good?
I didn't follow the news, don't know anything
Lucas Brown
>you don't understand, saving 5 million on 1 million chips is VERY important well, it worked for GM
Gabriel Bell
Thing with AMD has never been the cheaper chips (For custom builders now, not OEMs) but motherboards. A high end AMD motherboard will run you $120. A high end Intel Motherboard can hit $220.
That, and AMD don't change sockets everytime someone in the office sneezes.
Kevin Edwards
>Does this mean Ryzen is good? It means exactly that otherwise why would Intel shit SKUs right and left.
Kevin Anderson
They're still using solder on the HEDT platform. And I can assure you their xeons don't come with TIM
Jace Clark
>They're still using solder on the HEDT platform.
Wasn't there a paper from Intel that was talking about cracking when solder was used on smaller dies?
I guess the HEDT/Xeons have bigger dies so that's why they still use solder.
Thomas Clark
eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1331317&page_number=2 >AMD said its upcoming Zen x86 core fits into a 10 percent smaller die area than Intel’s currently shipping second-generation 14nm processor >even Intel engineers in the session said the Zen core is clearly competitive Zen core smaller than Kaby Lake core despite using less advanced process. 8core Ryzen could be cheaper to produce than Intel's 4core+iGPU i7. Muh fabs and muh tick tock is dead.
Adrian Campbell
I buy GM cars (credit card gives me a discount) and this is semi correct. GM cheaps out which can cause a failure which cascades into another failure. That's the problem with cheaping out. Problem is they likely already figured it's still cheaper to do this and just replace it all with cheap parts. They are consistent though. Parts are cheap in general. Seems to work I guess. I don't have their spreadsheets.
That's true as AMD doesn't change things around willy nilly like Intel. It all adds up.
See The linked thread, and exact post has that paper. But because you're lazy I'll paste it here. iweb.tms.org/PbF/JOM-0606-67.pdf How about you link the ones you're talking about. Faggot.
Sebastian Phillips
The Engineering Sample (ES) we were shown at CES indicates that the 8c/16t @ 3.15ghz compares to a 6900k @ stock/+turbo in blender.
CanardPC, and French tech mag, got their hands on an A0 ES chip, so initial sampling, and a validation motherboard, they ran a number of tests, results and analysis put up by a few sites, I'll only drop one for the sake of this post not being full of links to other sites.
Zen's major flaw seems to be the lack of PCIe lanes, while this is not a major problem for the consumer market it may give some enterprise customers a moment of pause.
Another thing we learned at CES, TDP. the 8c/16t @ 3.15ghz read out as 95w max TDP, the 6900k it was being compared against runs out to 140w TDP.
Final clocks for Zen? We don't know. Some sites have been getting samples in at 3.5ghz, but the rumoured final lineup shows chips well below that. So we have to wait and see.
Su confirmed in an earnings call with investors that Ryzen is expected in March. With Day 1 availability. Until this point all we knew was that Zen was slate for a Q1 release, so march still being Q1, Zen is on track.
Alexander Walker
It's smaller because the FPU is smaller. Everything else in hardware resource, registers, retire units, decoders etc are competitive.
Dylan Russell
>100W TDP is fucking nothing for pc
Adrian Watson
>Zen's major flaw seems to be the lack of PCIe lanes, while this is not a major problem for the consumer market it may give some enterprise customers a moment of pause.
That's why you got the 2 die 16 core Snowy Owl with double the lanes. Which I don't think it'll be all that expensive, the 32 Naples one will thought
Mason Robinson
Intel won't let them fail.
Gabriel Martinez
That's dumb Pretty much everything has vtd now 14nm is mature as fuck now AMD never had anything worth a $220 mobo 5mm larger with a iGpu still places Intel ahead, friendo
Jordan Reyes
it's almost like designing all your processors at the behest of apple was a bad decision
Jaxon Green
>That's dumb No. It's business.
Levi Wood
What instruction set?
Nicholas Adams
Jim Keller certified shit wrecker
Adam Diaz
49mm^2 is just the CPU cores. Skylake 4c+iGPU is 122mm^2 Intel is wasting half the die area on their shitty iGPU
Jacob Gonzalez
>Su confirmed in an earnings call with investors that Ryzen is expected in March. With Day 1 availability. Until this point all we knew was that Zen was slate for a Q1 release, so march still being Q1, Zen is on track.
Is it not a little unusual to be < a month from launch without announcing the line up or pricing?
Landon King
>5mm larger with a iGpu still places Intel ahead, friendo
he was implying there is less silicon so they can price it a little lower. not who can make it smaller, pal
Brody Long
No, because official word always comes a day before launch or a few days before launch.
Adrian Johnson
I assume people already know like retailers etc. I used to get the skinny on certain things from sellers before a launch. Athlon was a good example. Guys kept saying the athlon was a game changer. Things like that. They had the xp in house and knew if it was shit or not already.
Chase White
This. Gotta be one of the dumbest fucking things to whine about with computer hardware.
Connor Young
Depends. AMD have been keeping lips tight lately. Su runs a tight ship.
Fuck, look at the Fury Lineup, all we knew before launch was it would use HBM. And that's it. So to have the amount of information we have on Zen I'd say we're quite lucky. ChipHell rumoured some pricing. Someone on the Guru3D forums went through and gathered up all the relevant data they could, this came out.
8core BE 450$ with tax ~ 540$ 8core 350$ with tax ~ 420$ 6core 250$ with tax ~ 300$ 4core 150$ with tax ~ 180$
The prices retrieved from the site were the initial values, but they seemed too low, so he assumed they were without tax, hence the addition of the tax value. Which produces a reasonable price.
Jaxon Campbell
cpu's are harder to cool then gpu's. They can't just up the TDP to 150W or huge cpu coolers will be needed as a minimum
Caleb Harris
So apparently Intel is already training their sellers on how to answer questions about Ryzen.
Justin Flores
Intel has 65% margins also, bud
Austin Jones
Did a child write this? These aren't answers at all.
Lincoln Green
It's a briefer, an intro to a staff training quiz, probably some other module they had to complete first before the quiz was an option.
We use similar e-learning shit where I work.
Daniel Myers
>the next answer >If you don't buy Intel, you're an anti-Semite!
Ian Price
>Thunderbolt 3 Only available on 3% of laptops >Iris/Pro Only available on 25W+ laptops Might as well get a dGPU at this point, at least it'll have drivers >WiGi Lmao I love watching my mouse lag a second after I move my hand >Optane Shit performance, shit capacities, four times the price, only useful for cache drives.
Do better next time, Intel
John Morris
>proceeds go to the six gorillion >includes free oral circumcision
Landon Scott
>We are not worried >Honestly
Isaac Johnson
howtojew.doc
Grayson Cook
They're not, overclockable i3's, pentiums, HT on pentiums and i5's and unannounced SKUs showing up outta nowhere together with dubious 1MB/core L2 Xeons in less than a month isn't a kneejerk reaction at all.
Lincoln Roberts
that's the point
Jaxson Flores
This guy will kill Intel. Meet Intel's Hector Ruiz While Mama Su will clean house
Ethan Collins
they also moved skylake/kaby 8cores to august
Adrian Evans
He's such a gigantic fucking retard with absolute zero common sense.
Leo Jenkins
>rushing their HEDT line
Lel I can already imagine what kind of hilarious bugs we'll get this time.
What the fuck is the point!? I at least fucking hope it has a load of cache because if it's just the same shit without GPU then it's absolutely worthless!
Mason Lewis
He's CEO, not a fucking engineer you dumb moron.
Nathan Jenkins
Should i upgrade my i7 4770 soon or should i wait for abit?
Leo Reed
More cache + memory channels + PCIe lanes
That can only explain the 2066 pins
Christian Flores
>Kaby Lake-X >not 4.2 base Kaby lake at 125W TDP with IrisPro L4 victim cache for another 15% performance improvement in serial workloads.
Intel is dead to me.
DEAD TO ME.
Landon Garcia
you're almost implying brian was ever involved in cpu design himself
Dylan King
No. I actually picked up a couple of 4790k's used with a mobo and ram for $250 cash a piece. Haswell's are hard to beat price performance wise. I'd even grab a SB or Ivy i7 used as well.
Liam Ross
not if you don't need moar coars/threads
Joshua Gray
Oh and if you're in the market for laptops look for used ones with a haswell cpu. Thinkpad W541 15: with i7 4810MQ (actual quad not the gay dual cores). Sammy EVO SSD expressport all that for $500 bucks. Think they even have some with 3k screens. Machine is a beast.
Ayden Butler
Alright cool thanks, where did you get them for 250$ ? Looking to upgrade my mom's workstation PC
Nah not really, i do some premiere / after effects editing but it's fast enough for me, only play some games such as witcher 3 and project cars.
Caleb Mitchell
Why do people unironically hate AMD when even if you only buy Intel shit you still win?
Caleb Howard
>How about you link the ones you're talking about. Faggot.
He is talking about the Extreme line, not the K line.
They are specifically using shit TIM on the K chips to gimp overclocking. They don't want you to overclock your chip, they want you to buy the higher clocked versions.
Dylan Brown
Got mine locally here and paid cash. Ebay would be a good source and they're likely between that and $400 depending on how retarded the seller is.
Juan Green
>specifically using shit TIM on the K chips to gimp overclocking. Citation? Like really any form of citation comparing the two. Or even pointing out difrent grades of TIM used. And showing the swing in temps.
Leo Robinson
>It would be an utter and complete embarrassment for Intel to actually lose like this. Intel has been under retarded leadership for years now, the 1% gains and the 14nm mess weren't just kikeing, but actual incompetence from management
