>no thread about the freshest ryzen price leak
what did (((Sup Forums))) mean by this?
overclock3d.net
>This new leak prices the 4GHz 8-core R7 1800X at €599.99, which includes tax, with the R7 1700X being priced at €469.99 and their R7 1700 being priced at €349, which is pricing that is highly competitive with Intel's current offerings.
>Right now Intel's 8-core 16-thread i7 6900K costs €1109 and their 4-core 8-thread i7 7700K costs €360 in the EU.
We don't care about AMD here
intel shills on suicide watch
ayymd and jewtel are botnet shit
open-source arm cpu when
Why the fuck do 6core 12 thread ryzens compare to 4core 4 thread i5s?
Shouldnt ryzens be stronger?
is that website supposed to read overclock 3d or overclocked?
>We don't care about AMD here
At Intel HQ ?
looks like bullshit.
I wouldn't pay too much attention to their comparisons yet. AFAIK only the prices/models are the leak, the intel-equiv list is just what the site believes.
oh shit, amd. what are you doing??? you want 100 bucks too much. it seems i wasted my life waiting all these years for zen.
those are euros tho
looks more realistic than anything else before it
also 1700 has 65w TDP which would be impressive
>€599.99, which includes tax
So that would be about €480 without tax, which is about $510, likely $500 flat state-side. Not a bad price if it will be able to compete with an intel 8-core, as it would cost as much as intel's 6-core.
I'm disappointed in the cheaper SKUs. they clock lower than the higher core count chips. there must be some intense binning going on right now.
we might end up with some monster HEDT chips but otherwise nothing but sloppy seconds in the lower market segments.
all will depend on motherboard pricing, if it's 2011 all over again it will fail
if it has prices of around $100-150
450 for a 8c/16t doesn't look expensive
it's not 2011. no quad-channel memory. fewer PCI-e lanes. motherboards are going to be cheaper to make than even the mainstream Intel stuff.
But the euro is essentially at parity with the dollar now
There are conflicting leaks
guru3d.com
>What however is interesting is an availbility date on the 28th or February alongside a ¥ 1999.00 pricetag, which translates to 275 euro and 290 USD. The chip is listed at 14nm and yes, that 4.2 GHz turbo clock frequency is mighty interesting, as it does seem 200 Mhz higher then expected.
And most likely with a ~20% VAT already on top as well
>arm
Never. Because ARM itself requires licensing.
SPARC is your FOSS ticket.
that might be 4c or 6c
Clockrates have never mattered, if you think they do you're a consumer fuckwit idiot.
Instructions per second is the only metric that counts.
All the leaks are bollocks, AMD is holding their cards until release to prevent Intel organising a response as long as possible.
Any 'leaks' are clickbait articles.
the exchange is at 1.06 tho
No suprise at base 8core chips coming in at mainstream i7 prices, it's the biggest upset they can cause and it finally brings a decent performance improvement to lower tier consumers.
This is the thing, that r3-1400x chip is the only one I can see hitting 4.2ghz and there's a market for it, my best guess is it's the highest clocking part but isn't coming out on release so it doesn't cause any complication with marketing the 1800x. Not that anyone on Sup Forums should care where everything is left at whatever oc you want.
You're not very bright.
Already bitching stfu and wait nerd
Or cleverly designed to gather market feedback
>which includes tax
Can't you read?
They certainly matter less when every chip is unlocked.
According to Guru3D, a Spanish store leaked some prices, VAT included
guru3d.com
Spain's VAT is 21%, so considerable.
Europe also gets fucked on PC prices anyway.
Please explain how clockrates matter vs. actual performance metrics.
I'll wait.
>mfw those prices are roughly the median monthly income in where I live
they matter if we're comparing CPUs from the same uarch, because then we can assume IPC is equivalent.
as it stands, intel's 4c/8t chips clock much higher than the broadwell-e 6+ core models and have superior single core perf as a result. this is all verifiable info.
take your reddit tier knowledge and go back.
hopefully you're right and those boost clocks go through the fucking roof. but if they really did clock that high, wouldn't the base clocks also be higher?
Intel is officially dead.
>R7 1700 being priced at €349
I'm seeing €389.95 here, they changed it or you wrote it down wrong.
>they matter if we're comparing CPUs from the same uarch,
Sure, but that's not what the poster was doing.
>as it stands, intel's 4c/8t chips clock much higher than the broadwell-e 6+ core models and have superior single core perf as a result. this is all verifiable info.
>More cores in a similar thermal envelope results in lower clockspeeds
WHO WOULDA THUNK IT!!!
Your performance metric is as overly simplistic as the one you are currently criticizing
higher clockrates mean more clock cycles can be performed in any given period of time and hence more cpu operations. try downclocking your cpu a ghz or two, see how you like it.
>take your reddit tier knowledge and go back.
why don't you try talking to this guy, he needs a chatting to...
VAT is 21% and europe gets worst pc parts prices in the world
ARM is as proprietary as x86. I don't know why people thing getting cucked by a different company is any better. Heck intel is already the cheap commodity processor company. They uncucked us from specialised systems like expensive IBM Mainframes.
So clock rates have absolutely zero indication of performance?
>hopefully you're right and those boost clocks go through the fucking roof. but if they really did clock that high, wouldn't the base clocks also be higher?
Mega boost clocks aren't a bad shout, might have low base clocks to keep their tdp in the 65w range as well. Then again I doubt 3.6ghz is hard to hit for 4c if the 8c does it at 95w.
As long as there's no parts like shitty low end i5 (
it is overpriced as fuck
will not upgrade til 2021
Skylake and Zen have roughly the same IPC. That's why clockrates matter.
I don't understand why more people don't get this.
SPARC is the only decent free harvard arch now.
But no one does it because ARM was cheaper before SPARC was free.
>Sure, but that's not what the poster was doing.
I was comparing ryzen to ryzen. can you fucking read?
>WHO WOULDA THUNK IT!!!
that's exactly what I'm saying. but it isn't the case here. smaller ryzen chips also have lower clock rates. that means they're just bad candidates.
>Im a poorfag and a general failure in life
>€
EUROPOOR! HAHAHAHAHA!
That's like 30€ above the 7700k.
I don't know why the poorfags are so mad.
They probably expected to get 8 cores for free.
>sparc
Are you serious?
Or same as a 5820k
As long as they overclock well, the base 1700 for around 380€ is a killer upgrade for those of us stuck on Sandy/Ivy K-series.
Across different uarches/arches - Yes. absolutely.
Thought experiment time:
an engine doing 100rpm that produces 1000J energy per cycle vs an engine that does 1000rpm that only produces 80J per cycle.
Which is doing more 'work'...
Cycles/speed doesn't matter, work output does.
In the same uarch, more clocks generally means just means more work, but a also now consider (real world example time!) an FX9590 (5ghz) vs. an Xeon E5-2690 V1 (2.8ghz) both are 8 core, both are x86, The Xeon is much faster, even in single core integer math, than the FX9590.
Clockrates themselves don't matter, work output per X period does.
It's the only recent harvard-like arch that isn't encumbered by many patents and crazy licence agreements.
I didn't say you should use it.
Seriously fuck off with your car analogy
I understand ipc and clock speed you massive faggot
Is the R7 line up was the one that only will be released in March?
Are the R5 and R3 an APU line up that rumored will be out in November?
I need to upgrade my shitty sandy.
That nice.
All of them are CPU only without iGPU and supposed to be released at the same date (at least as a paper launch), APUs aren't expected until this summer.
Instructions per second is instructions per clock times clockspeed. How does clockspeed not matter there?
Faggots and your shitty car analogies. I hope you get throat cancer and choke on your own blood.
That's nice.
R5 is 6core cuts of the 8core chip.
R3 is probably a 4core cut, some here insist that they are not going to soon, but most expect them after release. The APUs will probably be another product line and then R3 ryzen chips will be populated with cut apus and 8cores.
Great, looks like I'm gonna get the R5.
If this rumor true then the cheapest R7 will cost 50% more than 6700K in my country.
6 and 4 cores might be released some weeks later. AMD want their top dog to take the stage for reviewers
Not every instruction takes the same amount of clocks to complete.
Let alone cache misses or other failures.
nice analogy fag. here's my food analogy
>making spaghetti bolognese
>have your mince, your vegetables, your spices, your spaghetti etc
>'TIME HAS NEVER MATTERED, IF YOU THINK IT DOES YOU'RE A CONSUMER FUCKWIT IDIOT'
>throw all the ingredients onto the stove and immediately take them out again
>your dish turns out raw
>'Gee whiz how the fuck did that happen???'
>tfw Zen looks like it's going to be fast enough to the point that Intel having a slight IPC advantage won't matter at all for people benchmarking Skyirm on low at 736p
>tfw all unlocked so I might finally end up overclocking
>tfw 6c/12t for midline gaymen
>tfw AMD has VT-d or whatever their equivalent on all their chips
>mfw I could ditch this 3570K for a 1700X and run a Linux host with a Windows gaymen VM using GPU passthrough
I want this now, and I want it bad. Do these come with a shitty iGPU I can use for the Linux host, or is my plan ruined?
APU line is a different silicon called raven ridge. Scheduled for Q4 2017, said to be 4c/8t and graphics performance expected to be somewhere between 750ti and rx 460
I guess AMD are going to have to go back to performance ratings rather than clockspeeds, since idiots like you still exist.
>I want this now, and I want it bad. Do these come with a shitty iGPU I can use for the Linux host, or is my plan ruined?
No iGPU
Unless you want a mini-ITX board you should have one PCIe slot free for a cheap R5 250 or GT710.
Seeing as even a shitty barely-working GPU is a decent chunk of money because used things don't lose much value in this third world shithole, I'm now sad.
These price leaks helped me decide on the Intel.
Buy a shitty gpu form overseas.
>R7 1800X €599.99 8/16 4GHz
>i7 6900K €1.117 8/16 3.2GHz
INTEL BTFO!
Both R5 230 and GT710 cost 31 Euro here in slavland. I don't know what 3rd world shithole you live in but I already pity you.
Hope these chips can make 4.5Ghz with ease like every skylake-kaby lake out there.
If not I'm not interested, I only care about IPC and single threaded performance.
>go to customs
>"What'd you bring into the country son?"
>"A graphics card"
>"What?"
>"A computer part"
>"Well that's not on the whitelist that consists of literally just books so you're going to have to pay a 50% tax on the total price, product and shipping"
>Alright, I paid 50 dollars total for that thing on ebay
>"Whoa, $50? This isn't right"
>Customs guy goes on the local equivalent of ebay and looks up what I just bought
>"On the local market they go for $150, you're going to have to pay 50% of that plus whatever the shipping was"
>"But I paid $50"
>"Yeah, but that's not what they're worth here, and how do I know you didn't just tell the guy you bought it from to put a low price on the invoice just to avoid taxes?"
This has literally happened before to several friends every time they imported something. They end up paying so much in taxes whatever you imported is more expensive than even buying local.
Because, you know, we gotta protect all those stores that live off importing shit in bulk so they get discounts (or know a buddy in customs who will simply let all their shit go through without question) and then resell for a profit. If we let everybody import themselves, they'd go out of a job!
That's a funny way to spell RISC-V.
Most expensive one is something around that. Stop wasting money on vodka and kebabs and start saving up. How do you think all those chavs get those iphones when they are not pushing drugs?
>single threaded performance.
You could just gem Pentium G OR I3 and be happy with it.
Why bother paid 4 times the price for minimal gain in single thread performance?
RISC-V is good but we still need open GPUs and chipsets.
the new Skylake-X and Kabylake-X are going to rape Zen so bad
no one can compete with Intel, AMD thinks they can but they can't
they will be so absolutely destroyed it will be like Nagasaki after the nuclear bomb(Intels new premier products) has been dropped
i'm already pre ordering buckets to collect all the Ayymd fanboy tears,since there are going to be many
Tbh those are beyond shitty. I think me meant stuff at least in the 750ti range.
There's no iGPU in the 750Ti range even in Intel's offerings.
>take apart laptop
>go through customs
>>woah what's all this then?
>parts...?
>>Cary on
What shitty country do you live in?
>Honestly though that's not meant to be an insult, that fucking sucks. I'll give shit to idiots all the time, but that's just shit you get stuck with.
what kind of backwards country taxes you for repair parts?
I don't see how that relates to what I just wrote. iGPU's are terrible.
But why? He only needs it for 2D shit like displaying the desktop on a monitor and video acceleration since all gaming will be done in a VM with the gaming GPU, as I understand it. A dirt-cheap low-end GPU is absolutely enough for that.
They're fine, people are terrible for expecting more than just basic video out of them.
I'd love a 1cu@400mhz iGPU in Ryzen CPU's proper (not just the APUs) just so we have something to drive a display if a GPU is fucked or otherwise to drive a GPU for a host OS in a VM situation.
But at least you have cheap internet?
:^)
this
the 6900k-equivalent zen will cost 600 fucking euros
the r7 1700 is only a 65W part which will be utterly BTFO by the 100W i7-7740K in real-world applications
this
they can just put 1cu gpu in SB to be honest.
No need to pollute CPU with such nonsense.
ebin copypasta from another thread you shill
Lisa Su said they were going to be going for a full product stack at launch. I doubt they would hold off on launching their quad-core chips in this case.
kys AMDeluded idiot