>City of Munich abandons their massive project to migrate from Windows to Linux >After over a decade, the whole thing is a total failure >Millions of millions of tax euros pissed away >Countless man hours completely fucking wasted >techrepublic.com/article/linux-pioneer-munich-poised-to-ditch-open-source-and-return-to-windows/ This is what happens if you let autistic freetards make IT decisions that should be taken by grown ups. Linux on the desktop is a fucking joke and most desktop open source software is poorly designed, hopelessly outdated, incompatible with industry standards and inefficient in daily usage. Anyone that disagrees with me is a spergelord that doesn't have the slightest idea what concepts such as 'productivity' and 'total migration costs' are.
More like >Be average day German working in the Munich city hall >Receive Word file from someone >Open it in Openoffice >Oppenoffice can't even open it without fucking over the entire make up because it is incompatible with docx even though it has been an open format for many years and it is 2017 >This will not be fixed any time soon because the spergelords that develop Openoffice had an autistic nerd fight within their team and half of them left to work on Libreoffice >Manually fix the lay out to make it at least presentable (as far as this is possible, because Openoffice doesn't have the same advanced features as Word) >Finally done. Try to print it >Newly purchased printer doesn't work because the specialized software to run it isn't available for Linux and whoever bought it didn't check if it was compatible >Send an email to your boss saying you can't bring said documents to the next meeting >Can't do that either because the mailserver can't even handle mobile synchronizing
Mason Roberts
can libre office handle .docx?
Dominic Lee
Yes
Andrew Wilson
freetards btfo... and still they wonder why they have less market share that windows... Vista, kek
Brayden Brown
>have migrosert office >get odf file >try to open it >doesn't work
David Roberts
Unrelated, but I don't even see why printers should have to have much driver-wise, seeing how computerized they are now. There has to be mostly platform agnostic printers out there, that you just push a file to any old way and it prints it. Oversimplification, but Jesus, man.
Asher Price
Pretty much every printer is able to print PostScript and EPS, there's no reason why you would care about drivers nowadays
Oliver Reyes
We all know this happened since Microsoft bribed the new major by promising to install major offices there of he abandoned the Linux project
Robert Jenkins
Use the right tool for the right job. Turns out using a spanner as screwdriver doesn't work.
Linux is only good for servers. They would have saved more money by deploying ChromeOS + Google Docs
Alexander Foster
I'm sure they will screw up everything on W10 too, like the linux mailserver, but this time it will have no media coverage. Who know why :^) I have seen MS servers failing countless times and W10 LTSB is the only good desktop shit from them and it will cost the allowance of a rapefugee per year. Good job.
Ethan Hernandez
Every single company I have dealt with that tried this has gone back within 24 months. It always starts the same way, a freebie loving usually autistic kid sysadmin comes in and sells admin on saving money. Problem is autists never think of the actual business and people costs of this, basic shit like can Mary figure out printing in Autistix. So technically everything is right and it should work, and then the real world smacks them in the face, it is always an utter disaster and free does not mean free the costs are usually enormous in time and effort, which is not free.
Owen Johnson
Yup, Linux made by committee and factions. That is always a great way to get shit done right. We don't need bosses we can all work collectively. And then they wonder why there are more and more massive holes, no one wants to do QC because that's not the cool job.
Christopher Richardson
That's cute, since we use loonix on workstations for 4-5 years and the printers always werked. Our sysadmin is a pajeet, maybe this is our secret.
Henry Long
>Managing G Suite especially Drive in a large size business Pray for those admins
Elijah Lee
That's why at google windows is forbidden. R-r-right?
Jace Ward
Better that tax money be wasted than going to some raping muslim subhuman
Joshua Harris
Probably using good printers and not some $50 special that purchasing though would be a great deal. Maybe your Pajeet knows that the fuck he is doing.
Zachary Stewart
>our sysadmin How big is your org to only have a single sysadmin? Might explain why.
Andrew Robinson
Microsoft refuses to follow their own standards.
Juan Scott
got to earn your keep
Caleb Wood
>linux is buggy and unstable as shit >almost every update breaks shit >VS windows 10 which is the same thing except people are used to windows so its got one advantage
Nathaniel Evans
I worked helpdesk with 5 other people for a company of ~1500. We only had one sysadmin.
Depends a lot on what your company actually does. You don't really need more than one, maybe two sysadmins in a company that isn't 17 sub-companies under one logo
Dylan Walker
Meanwhile in the actual world outside of Microsoft India shill center
And of course don't forget about the fact that the city of munich got an external contractor to "reevaulate" their IT. Said contractor happened to be a company called Accenture
So it took a SHILL in office and an entire SHILL company lobbying the local government to make it happen.
This is the power Of proprietary software
Mason Sullivan
>This will not be fixed any time soon because the spergelords that develop Openoffice had an autistic nerd fight within their team and half of them left to work on Libreoffice
not half but 99% of devs left Oo after oracle bought it. Also almost every opensource project that got into contact with oracle died instantly for good reasons.
Jacob Lewis
Pajeet shills suck circumcized jew cock.
Dominic Murphy
Doesn't matter, Germacucks are too busy taking their white women to mandatory nigger breeding camps
Zachary Johnson
>people switch to proprietary software when they're paid to do so color me fucking surprised
how will microsoft ever recover
Carson Wright
pajeets on suicide watch
Ryan Davis
CURRYSOFT
B LOWN T HE F UCK O UT
Jayden Barnes
I get the tribal "us against them" feeling and all of that but being serious and as a simple user and potential customer why should someone be happy about this assuming it actually happens?
First of all Microsoft already has practically a monopoly on the office suites. While i consider MSO maybe the best product in its category i certainly don't see the benefit on being locked to the products of only one company. Let me explain: - If you create documents with MSO you're slowly becoming dependent on Microsoft's products because despite having "standardized" their OOXML format it's a well known fact that most of the documents created by this program are not compliant with said specification. - When another competing program tries to open a MSO document it's probable that it'll not be able to open it perfectly as some people already pointed in this thread. However far from being fault of the competing solutions it's fault of microsoft for creating forced incompatibility. - ODF is an open and well documented specification. I never had any problem an ODF document among different version of LO for example but opening an OOXM document on different versions of MSO sometimes gives strange results. It's obvious that there's ambiguity on how to interpret OOXML documents coming from different versions of MSO. - This is by far not the first lock-in attempt on Microsoft's history and there's criticism on how a format coming from a company with an anti competitive behavior was accepted by ISO. A lot of people points to bribery and corruption and it's not far fetched considering their record. - The document foundation actually fights for promoting open formats that can be implemented by any party properly. If more people decides to use open formats we can stop depending on one product coming from one company similarly on how happened with html5. So i don't get why OP is happy about this news.
Chase Ward
>So i don't get why OP is happy about this news. Sup Forumseddit and the "haha stick it freetards".
A lot of folk here rejoice when something bad happens to an open source project
Adam Kelly
Use libreoffice dumbass
Brandon Phillips
>Openoffice >2017
Leo Baker
I'd rather upgrade to Windows Vista than to any of the """operating systems""" that Microsoft is pushing these days.
Christopher Hall
>Sup Forumseddit and the "haha stick it freetards". >A lot of folk here rejoice when something bad happens to an open source project I know, that's why i pointed to the tribal feeling. I'm just curious if any of this people has an actual reason to feel happy about this aside from the typical "us against them" feeling or the "i'm psting for teh lulz". I often ask this simple questions in this place and i almost never get an answer that seems to come from a reasoning where the people who cheers microsoft get benefited in a significant way by keeping the statu quo (the current MSO lock-in). It usually boils down to: >LO/OO sucks that's why it deserves to fail. >Linux users are mean and they feel superior that's why i enjoy when they fail on something. >I use windows only products in my work and i defend microsoft because i depend on windows. But hardly i get a reasoning where the people who cheers for open standards and chioce of platform should feel happy about microsoft locking them.
Jordan Sanders
> They would have saved more money by deploying ChromeOS + Google Docs True, it's all comes to down to installing Gentoo (because ChromeOS is variation of it).
Dominic Parker
>At the time the report was released, the FSFE questioned why Accenture was commissioned to co-author a report assessing the use of Microsoft software, when the consultancy runs a joint venture with Microsoft called Avanade, which helps businesses implement Microsoft technologies. For its part, Accenture said it has an "independent view of the technology landscape.
>At the time Munich began the move to LiMux in 2004 it was one of the largest organizations to reject Windows, and Microsoft took the city's leaving so seriously that then CEO Steve Ballmer flew to Munich to meet the mayor. More recently, Microsoft last year moved its German company headquarters to Munich.
Gabriel Morales
>The city's human resources department (POR) is particularly critical of LiMux, saying that since 2006 when the POR started using LiMux and OpenOffice, later switching to LibreOffice, that "the efficiency and productivity of the POR-supported workplaces has decreased noticeably" - referencing crashes, display and printing errors.
There was a price to being 'free'
It was a nice little experiment, but now that the dust settled we can call it a failure and go back to windows.
Brayden Bailey
> Communism fails yet again Oh my god how could this happen? it has never happened before!
Ethan Long
Not well. It's also pretty resource hungry compared to office 2003, despite not having the same features.
Justin Peterson
Why did they try to invent their own distro instead of just using ubuntu or something?
I think you're confused, what does any of this have to do with communism?
Leo Edwards
LOL, no. Windows is forbidden at Google because the entire world is always trying to hack them. Windows would make it too easy, but whatever business you're at probably doesn't have to deal with state sponsored hackers 24/7. You probably would like to believe your that important while using Linux, but you're not.
Mason Perez
>Linux on the desktop is a fucking joke >Free/open source software is communism
Honestly this kind of arguments sounds a lot like someone is trying to push a notion mindlessly expecting no one to question its validity. Sounds a lot like when microsoft tried to push the "chromebooks are not real laptops" idea on their scroogled campaign. youtube.com/watch?v=TjQhYBKInwo
The most cringy part is when they try to deter people from using google products talking about how google tracks everything you do to target you with adst when they do exactly the same (pic related).
Christopher Taylor
In my experience what happens is there isn't any money years ago, so someone set up a Linux server for mail/fileshare etc. It just werks, werks 100% for about 7-10 years straight, hardly any maintenance done, the original people moved on and actually didn't maintenance tbqh.
Doesn't get hacked or anything either. But - after all those years it finally falls over stone dead from a hardware failure, really dead, no backups, management is like WTF is this piece of shit our OMG company data.
Calls in new (((IT consultants))) who use it as chance to both shit on Linux and sell a fuckload of new useless crap, from MS servers to Cloud to client software. Nothing works, everyone is upset, people feel like dinosaurs and blames the old system for [working too well and letting them get on with other things so they didn't have to pay attention].
Josiah Hughes
Mary should stop being a dumb cunt then
Thomas Hernandez
>>Oppenoffice can't even open it without fucking over the entire make up because it is incompatible with docx even though it has been an open format for many years and it is 2017 this gets said all the time on Sup Forums so you have surely heard it, but it's actually Microsoft breaking the standard
Bentley Harris
>>Newly purchased printer doesn't work because the specialized software to run it isn't available for Linux and whoever bought it didn't check if it was compatible Why would you need specialized software for a printer? Driver support is in the kernel and it should work out of the box, aside from that you just need CUPS to print
Joshua Morris
>Openoffice OpenOffice has been virtually dead from a long time ago. Most of its developers are already working on Lobreoffice and recent versions are very good. You should update your arguments at least. lwn.net/Articles/699047/ wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.3
Brayden Campbell
>ohlookitsthisthreadagain.png
Chase Allen
Having actually worked in IT at multiple places, I agree with OP. Not only will there be massive hurdles to cover in porting your current Win32 x86 software base over to Lincucks, but you have to deal with the massive end user learning barrier.
Linux is still best in the server realm. Heck, use Linux as an Active Directory domain controller now if you really want:
Then again, I have no idea how compatible that shit is with the likes of Exchange and other M$hill enterprise shit.
Jayden Flores
>but it's actually Microsoft breaking the standard
Nobody gives a shit if Microsoft is breaking any "standards". That's because Microsoft sets the standards for file formats like docx and xlsx. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fantasizing about they way they wish the world worked.
It's the job of LibreOffice to emulate Microsoft Office as exactly as possible. Period. Anyone who thinks otherwise simply doesn't understand the customer, and can be safely ignored.
And I say this as a dedicated Linux user who wishes LibreOffice could eventually take over the world. But they don't have a prayer as long as they keep adhering to the wrong standards. I'm smart enough to know that here's only one standard that counts here -- and that's whatever Microsoft Office implements.
Ethan Fisher
Microsoft publishes an actual standard, but they don't conform to it. Either they should fix the standard, or fix their products.
Adrian Taylor
Fixing their shitty format would break their marketshare.
Jason Gray
>Fixing their shitty format would break their marketshare. Exactly. It's forced incompatibility and taking advantage of their dominant position (which is illegal in a lot of places btw), not microsoft having "great compatibility" and other having "shitty compatibility". I just don't get how some people can still defend this.
Oliver Bell
I use like 10 Linux boxes on a daily basis at NASA and have literally zero problem. Linux is fine as long as you're not a dyslexic autist
