Do you buy 4TB or 6TB hard drives today? I know 3TB is dogshit because of the weird platters being used on most brands

Do you buy 4TB or 6TB hard drives today? I know 3TB is dogshit because of the weird platters being used on most brands.

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8, nigga.

>I know 3TB is dogshit because of the weird platters being used on most brands
Wrong

>I know 3TB is dogshit because of the weird platters being used on most brands.
Trying to identify which drives (or which brand of drives) are most reliable is a fool's game. Drives are usually pretty good these days, but sometimes they die. Deal with it. Use redundancy and backups. Buy drives based on price per terabyte.

>Buy drives based on price per terabyte.

Fuck no, buy drives based on price per years of warranty.

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So Seagate makes the best 4TB?

I'm sticking with 4TB HGST drives. My current one's got nearly 14000 power on hours and still going strong

Unless you're running hundreds of drives stuck very densely into a rackmount enclosure, I don't see how you can consider those results applicable.

>Back"Don't just spread our study graphs without proper explanations since they are misleading"Blaze

1TB. What the fuck do you need 4TB for?

Storing 4TB of data

tfw bought a 3TB WD Red

Highest failure rate of any WD drive. I thought the 3TB failure shit was only with Seagate drives.

It is the platters for 3TB drives

>Buy drives based on price per terabyte.
This.
Then ZFS on two external drives to mirror.
Drives cost money but data is irreplaceable. You can have both cheap drives and data integrity. If a drive is threatened you can replace it on the cheap.

>mfw since 3 years ago

This might change once I get my GPU and start downloading games, though

I have more forced bi JOI videos than you have total space. Really makes you think.

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fug I got this seagate in early 2014

am I fucked?

Not sure, but 2014 was horrible for Seagate HDD buyers. Its a wonder people don't sue them

>ST3000DM001
>ST31500541AS
>ST31500341AS
>WDC WD30EFRX
>ST33000651AS
Consider these models pure garbage, 10-25% annual failure rate

HDD bought in 2016 are thankfully decent.

>like 4 years later and SSDs are just as expensive

When will they go down in price?

Are you kidding? Prices are much lower.

6tb is best because then you can have 3 partitions of 2tb each. I keep my stuff on the first partition then back up to a raid drive made from the second two partitions

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The other guy is sorta right. The prices have stabalized for past 2 or so years.

This is I think due to the retarded switch to m.2 or the other PCI based SSDs. Instead of getting cheaper SSD space, they went faster SSD speed at same shitty space.

This is either due to anti-trust anti-competitive and illegal acts by nand manufacturers or simple production issues.

Well I think most of the nand makers have been either losing money or just not making much of a profit on it, so they're not eager to fund a big expansion in production and fight a price war to gain market share.

Its easier to make nand faster at the same price than bigger at the same price. The former you can do with tweaking, different controllers, etc. the latter you need either an expensive new fab for a tiny process node, or you just need to spend more die area.

I need new hd's, both solid state and mechanical.
I'm simply waiting for the prices to become reasonable again, and I hope I don't have to wait 6 months or 1 year for that.

>data is irreplaceable

tfw 8 TB of raid z2 on a ECC freenas with UPS, but I haven't backed it up lately because it's 8 damn TB and it takes for fucking ever

Back it up and then push differential snapshots to your backup so it only takes a few minutes afterward.

Make sure you have redundancy on your backup, too.

Oh RAIDz2 is hot garbage in terms of IOPS. A RAID 10 can read at the speed of all drives -individually- and write at the speed of half of them.
Might want to consider redoing your pool in addition to a backup.

5TB or whatever is number 1 on Amazon.

>Oh RAIDz2 is hot garbage in terms of IOPS. A RAID 10 can read at the speed of all drives -individually- and write at the speed of half of them.
Might want to consider redoing your pool in addition to a backup.
depends on what he prefers between space and speed, raid10 might be faster, but the space is n/2, rather than n-2
for a small home setup it might make more sense to not worry much about speed so long as you're hitting a target like being able to saturate a gigabit link, which is a pretty easy target

It's a good thing Backblaze stopped making those graphs.
Don't rely on them, they are made from faulty data, as Backblaze always gets the cheapest HDDs they can find rather than look at quality. Seagate does both horrible cheap drives and amazing expensive ones, they just happen to get the shitty ones (and if you see through their raw data, the good Seagate drives they get are the ones that fail the least, but since they buy so few of them their weight on the final per-brand failure rate is nil).

>as Backblaze always gets the cheapest HDDs they can find rather than look at quality
Well desu honest that's what I've also been doing when I've bought drives

Only recently have I bought a couple WD Reds because they're (((supposedly))) NAS drives

For a hobbyist data-hoarder the big selling point of mirrors is that they simplify expansion. You can add or replace disks two at a time to expand the array.

Not that I'm salty over btrfs not having its shit together or anything.

You believe most people buy the most expensive HDD models?

People will look for deals whenever. The data is right in bulk. However individual experiences may differ. Statistics is statistics, you shouldn't feel butthurt because you bought a shitty drive and that someone calls out its shittiness.

no your two gens better than the bad versions
btw i own
>ST3000DM001 3TB and it hasn't failed (yet)

the bad version is
>ST3000DM000

trust me no one has one of these any more lmao,

I got a 5TB one a year ago and it's almost half filled.
Has been noisy as fuck since day one though, is louder than my actual PC.

>Not that I'm salty over btrfs not having its shit together or anything.
i wish they'd get it done, the feature set is perfect for small home setups, namely the flexibility to add/remove one disk at a time and convert raid levels without so much as /unmounting/ the volume
the fact it exists has made everything else seem like a compromise

2x2TB WD Red + 3TB Toshiba master race right here

Im still waiting for HDD prices to drop.

I think $30/TB (for new drives) is the best we're gonna see, user. Though if you're waiting for the larger capacities to fall to that level that's understandable

every new kernel version I bore over the new features articles on phoronix looking for a hint that they might finally fix it. Seems like they just don't give a shit about RAID56, probably because Facebook isn't using it and they're the guys paying Chris Mason. I know that's why they turned down some guy who had a patch that added 3, 4, 5, and 6-way pairity to the RAID code.

>ST3000DM001
THESE FUCKERS

feels like only yesterday i first tried out btrfs raid5 and was hopeful it'd be ready for serious usage soon
that was in 2012, and the official state has only gotten worse with the somewhat recent realization that raid56 is fucked

at least the rest of btrfs is fine, i'm using it atop mdadm

as far as I know RAID 1 was and is good to go. Then again getting higher space efficiency from RAID 6, with the easy add and rebalance and shit, was always kinda the point.

I have the exact same HDD in your pic.

>6tb is best because then you can have 3 partitions of 2tb each. I keep my stuff on the first partition then back up to a raid drive made from the second two partitions

Is this bait?

No but I have a 2TB drive in my laptop.
When I can get a 4TB drive that's 9.5mm or thinner I might upgrade.

learn how to read graphs

What a bullshit graph

I own 3 1TB seagates and none of them have died. Purchased one 500gb toshiba SSHD 8 months ago and lost all my work files.

I have a set of Toshiba DT01ACA300 3TB drives. Haven't had one die yet. (oldest says it was manufactured in 2013)

I'll switch to 6TB when the price goes below $100.

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Not to shill Windows server, but refs does this and it's super nice

>bought a 3TB Seagate Desktop drive in 2014

cyka

According to that graph Seagate is the preferred brand. You have to take failure rate into account anyway if you want to have reliability.

>SSHD
Not even once.

6-8TB are value/$ right now. For me personally 8 is somehow less $/TB than 6, dunno why.

I dont really like their results, but just go look at the reviews for any o those high failure drives, they are all over the place


I have been running the same 3x WD 2TB greens in RAID0 for the past 7 years in a PC with 90% uptime, and I have not had a single fucking failure.

I want to upgrade my storage, and get HGST drives, but I'm so worried about infant death that I have not. Running low on space too, and this is after I deleted a ton of shit.

>have a 1.5 TB Seagate external from 4 yrs ago
Lmao

>82% non fail

Still works and I have all my anime backed up on it
Dodged a 18% bullet though, but too bad HGST HDDs are so expensive

>have all my anime backed up on it
It's ok if it does fail then I guess.

Just do full backups and/or raid1.

>raid1.
Twice as likely to fail.

3tb is the sweet spot price wise

wut

>full backup or raid 1

Niggah full backups AND raid1 if anything, definitely not OR. Raid was never and will never be a form of backup.

Shut up nerd

>tfw WD, 3TB and 2016
JUST

doesn't 3tb have a different platter arrangement that makes it less reliable, making 4tb worth the extra little?

1TB or 2TB in extreme cases. Eight 1TB disks will perform better than one 8TB disk; they are also faster to wipe and more robust to failures. Anyone buying drives bigger than 2TB is a hopeless retard and doesn't know what he's doing.

The extra little is actually quite a bit. All of my 4 Toshiba's still twerk.

In Canadia its 116$ for 3tb and 170 for 4tb making it like 15$ over the same $ per TB

>Canadia

Where this shithole be? I can get 2TB for $45, which is cheaper per TB and also has all the advantages of being just the perfect size.

yeah

you know that almost exclusively applies to the US right? Not many other places cost that little (for many computer parts)

what do you guys store on your hard drives anyway? is it just to fuel your porn hoarding addiction?

They probably horde cheesy pizza

Right now I have 5TB of movies and 5.1TB of TV. I'd have a lot more but I'm out of space.

you know you don't need to store it and just download it as you watch it right?

I literally just bought a couple of 8GB WD Reds. Never bought anything bigger than 3TB before this. Times a changing.

>8GB

My internet is very slow, it takes me 8-10 hours to download one movie if it's on the larger side. Redownloading is not an option and having a system setup to immediately play a huge range of stuff is pretty neat. I have it set up to play on my tv too so it's useful to watch with others.

>This information across tens of thousands of drives is wrong because my anecdotal data regarding 3 drives says other wise

Let me guess, American?

Why is that bad?

he's saying 8GB is bigger than 3TB

Then he's a retard who can't read.

> Do you buy 4TB or 6TB hard drives today?
I do, for a company I work with. SAS MASTERRACE.

Who needs that much porn?

SAS seems pointless with RAIDs desu, maybe at enterprise level but for home usage...

>1TB seagate array
>Average disk speed of 80-110MB/s

>Buy up two cheap SAS drives
>Benchmark them
>~220MB/s read speeds

Hot damn. They're not even any fancy 10-15k stuff. Just regular old seagate SAS.
They're not horribly expensive, used, these days.

really fires the neurons

you're thinking of raid0

raid1 is when you mirror two (or more) drives so they always contain the same data, if one fails, you can keep using the other

it'll be two years before they finally go down to where they should be right now.

>This is either due to anti-trust anti-competitive and illegal acts by nand manufacturers or simple production issues.

all of the above.

This totally neutral infographic was financed by HGST. Come again.

how often do you watch 10TB of shows?

anime torrents are 50gb per show

Got some sauce on that?

I've got an ST33000651AS, am I boned?

>I know

No. You don't "know" shit. Go away, get read up on the tech, stop wasting pixels here with your stupid.