The other day, we had an argument over what constitutes a "Western" country

The other day, we had an argument over what constitutes a "Western" country.

I think this is fair and should satisfy all concerned, don't you?

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Didn't we agree that Latin America was it's own thing and that having two distinct poles is stupid?

Slovakia is not western country

Not so sure about Central America

The Southern Cone should count as Western since most of the populace are descended from Southern Europeans and there's little Indian influence in the culture. Peru and Bolivia are mostly Indian, so they don't count as "Western" at all.

Why is the Most developed country in South America grey?

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chileans are mostly mestizos

Even with invisible sage, I can still easily tell that...

>Poland

I thought capitalism was a requisite for being "west". I don't think Russia, Cuba and Venezuela consider themselves "west".

I think your map represents better the historic term "Christendom", even if many of the countries are mostly atheist/agnostic, they are "culturally Christian".

Why are the Balkan countries not dark blue?

You realize this is 2016, not 1965, right? Socialism died a quarter of a century ago.

This map is 100% accurate.

Western means your country was primarily shaped by the Christian religion, classical Greek philosophy, the Renaissance, and Enlightenment.

The problem with those countries is that they were busy choking on Turk dick during the Renaissance and other important events that shaped European civilization.

third world category is better than being in same as koreafuckeater

Yes, but the term "west" is itself a relique from the Cold War.

Wouldn't it be stupid to put Greece as dark blue? I mean...

First world and 2nd/third world stopped being useful names ages ago.

Westernization=/=modernisation but idiots conflate the first being a requirement for the latter

2nd this
I wasn't here, did we make it to the western world yet?

All countries that you'd actually want to live in are in the US sphere of influence.

You mean, Greece is one of the pillars of the west Civilization? You mean we shouldn' exist without them? So you're right.

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Fixed up Europe for you.

Would Rwanda be western if it modernized to around SK levels in 15 years?

To be honest, I wasn't sure about Colombia and Venezuela but I never heard of them having any significant Indian influence (were there any Indians there except ooga boogas?)

>still including south africa

let it go lad.

What makes Mexico partially western country?? They are the same shit as Centro America.

And what makes Colombia, Brazil and Venezuela western countries?? I can't with this map

In 20 years when the last helicopter leaves Pretoria ala the Fall of Saigon as a horde of ravenous AIDS-infected monkeys are descending on the place.

Fixed again.

How is Greece not fully Western, though? They literally founded fundamental Western thought/society.

Brazil really doesn't have much Indian cultural influence, does it? The only Indians they have are ooga boogas out in the Amazon.

Croatia and Slovenia weren't raped by Turks or Russians and they participated in all the major European events such as the Renaissance.

"You won't achive cultural victory without guns big enough"
modern Polish proverb by myself

The same for Centro America... Our biggest year holidays are not native American influenced but European influenced (Catholicism). The only native American things that we partially conserve is some traditional food but other than that, well, nothing sadly.

I am not taking into account history, just actual situation.

Go into Copenhagen or London, and then go to Athens.

After that transition, you will understand that you cant really bag Greece together with Denmark or UK.

how is that relevant

Fix'd

Isn't Guatemala Indian as hell?

Then again, one of Mexico's biggest holidays is an Indian one. On the other hand, Indians aren't the dominant culture there like in Bolivia, they're the poorest class of a country where your social standing is mainly determined by your whiteness.

For all I know it's holding its spot among 3 top worlds countries by homicide rate for decades, along with San Salvador and Honduras. I'm 90% positive it's true

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>uruguay
>different than argentina

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OP's map is correct, although northern brazil could be changed to light blue and the mestizo parts of argentina (I don't know where they are) could too.
People on Sup Forums forget that "western" doesn't mean white. The founders of western civilization are the greeks, one of the darkest (if not the darkest) peoples in Europe.

I'm pretty sure the only Europeans who lived in Central America were colonial administrators since those places were used for little more than resource extraction.

Ok maybe they conserve a lot more their Native American traditions but the rest of Centro America is pretty cucked by Spanish influences.

Not really. It derives from the western civilization, which is based upon greek/roman values
Is this the level of american education?

>OP's map is correct
If he changes South Africa and Sweden to non Western/non white shithole.

hai, how many people did you kill this month?

CCC- vs BBB-. Would you put Uruguay in the grey?

>one of Mexico's biggest holidays is an Indian one
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Saints'_Day
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Souls'_Day
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Dead

Next thing you are going to tell me that la Virgen de Guadalupe is amerindian.

South Africa as light blue is correct though. Sweden is on its way to becoming non-western really fast, but I guess they still count as blue.
The only parts I can be sure about is that north/northeast of Brazil should be light blue (especially Bahia, which has a strong nigger culture)

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>Not really. It derives from the western civilization, which is based upon greek/roman values

Take for example Russia. They weren't really influenced by European culture or even considered part of Europe at all before the 18th century and then it was mostly the upper class, also there's a good deal of Asiatic culture there.

How the fuck is South America western?
Especially Brazil?

>american

Oh i see.

>South Africa

hahaha what

>Then again, one of Mexico's biggest holidays is an Indian one.

If you're talking about Día de Muertos it also resembles the Spanish Día de Todos los Santos.

(although it has a heavy indian influence)

You posting toilet make me think that I've hit the soft spot.
So, dunno, sorries?

Mexico has a fucked-up mix of Catholicism and indigenous religious beliefs, so...meh.

Which is exactly why we should be light blue. But it is by no means, amerindian.

It was the way Spaniards cucked amerindians out of their culture.

t. Non WE WUZ, non muh Spainard blood, Mexican

Novgorod and Kievan Rus were in contact and traded with Europe ostensively, that's why they're light blue I guess
>european language
>european religion
>roman set of laws
>almost everyone has a european ancestor, some 25-30% are almost full european
southern brazil was pretty much 99% white before internal migration in the 80's. is germany non-western because of all the immigrants you're receiving now?

Alternate solution to the Latin American question.

The only Western Central American country is Costa Rica which is 90 % white.

Like I said, Brazil doesn't have much of any Indian cultural influence or a significant native population.

Shouldn't Turkey be at least light blue?

>Venezuela and Cuba commie shitholes as western
>Paraguay not western

Paraguay is the purest capitalistic point in LA.

Yes, I know.
But krautbro over there is butthurt that his private club has sudacas in it.
There should be 2 new categories instead of light blue
>Mainly western, but significant non-western influece
>Mainly non-western, but significant western influence
Bolivia and South Africa would be part of the second group, as an example.

This

>european language
>european religion

Everyone can borrow those, look at Africa

>roman set of laws
Which are merely there for decoration

>almost everyone has a european ancestor, some 25-30% are almost full european
Ok LOL

I like this more. But again to me a western country is simply a developed country with hight number of educated people so to me there is no such thing as a "western Latin American country".

First off being a western country (by the definition of the people in this thread) is not about race.

And secondly you're delusional if you think Costa Rica is 90% white kek not even Uruguay is that white.

Honestly I think that all of latin america and Russia can be considered as western. There are just a lots of subvarietys of "western".

Also as of today pretty much everything should be at least light blue. Western culture is present everywhere. Even in North Korea communism is an importation from the western world that is mixed with the local culture.

>I like this more. But again to me a western country is simply a developed country with hight number of educated people

Eastern Europe was turned into a post-apocalyptic wasteland by the events of the 20th century (sadly) yet they should definitely count as Western countries.

If you don't include immigrants then yes, it is 90 %. Where do you think white people come from?

Russia is a confused country that's been culturally at war with itself since Peter the Great.

>earth
>white

In Brazil and the rest of Latin America (except Bolivia and Paraguay) the european language is actually used instead of some fucked up crioulo.
If you had any knowledge about South America whatsoever you'd know that the portuguese and the spanish literally cucked everyone into oblivion.
Native American men were wiped out and slave men were so tired from working 16+ hours a day they couldn't do shit, so where do all mixed people come from? Do the math.

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>Native American men were wiped out and slave men were so tired from working 16+ hours a day they couldn't do shit, so where do all mixed people come from? Do the math.

The obvious exceptions being the Andean countries which are ethnically majority Indian and where Indian languages and not Spanish predominates. Bolivia is no more of a Western country than Thailand.

Black people and indians are better at soccer, so what?

Pretty surprising for being 90% white that not even one of those are.

Besides
>amerindians
>good at fooball

Yeah, I mentioned that.

>Romania
>Western
Nice meme you dip

Idians aren't particulary good at football, mate. Tbh neither do blacks.

Countries like Russia should indeed be considered western because they have contributed a lot to what we know as western Europe, but I really don't know that much about the other eastern European countries desu

What the hell are you talking about

All of the Orthodox areas got ass-raped by Mongols and Turks, so they missed out on the Renaissance and a couple other important events that shaped Europe. Romania is a slight exception since they weren't directly an Ottoman province, only a tributary. They still got torched by the Mongols a few centuries before that though.

In Centro America they're better than mestizos and castizos desu

Don take national football teams as a racial representation of the country. Ecuador´s team is like 90% african black, and thats really the case here

>Bolivia is no more of a Western country than Thailand
I'd say it's more like India or Africa where they got colonized by Europeans and some European influence was left behind, but the native culture was largely left intact.

This is basically fucking retarded in all regards

And if you had any knowledge about european countries you would know that everyone would notice a BIG difference when entering an european country and a south american one, shit like Russia/Japan are barely considered western.
Orange only regards countries western because theyre first world, SA isnt even that.

Non-dark blue country detected.

Pretty much

btw. any of your indians made it to the good ligue? I'm not trying to pick on you, honest question.

>Orange only regards countries western because theyre first world

Japan does however have a lot of Western influence, South Korea less so, and Taiwan and Singapore are very un-Western outside of HDI index.

Yea but it's a confusion between 2 types of western culture(direct importation of western culture from other western countries or transformation of western culture). Well except for those asians and caucasian tribes but they can be compare with the amerindians in the USA that don't have any relevant influence on the mainstream culture of the country. Anyone that thinks that asian/chinese/mongol/muslim culture had and has a huge impact on the current russian culture is dreaming.

I don't even know what "the good ligue" is...

This.

in my book that'd be Premier League, Primera Division, Bundesliga or Serie A. We can negotiate this, tho.

we aren't western, we're too diverse geographically and culturally for that. we have 60 different indigenous ethnicities, many isolated communities living in the countryside, etc.

for one, a lot of people only listens to local/Latin american music, never Anglo or European music.

Colombia is westernized (laws, institutions, etc) but not just "Western".

Russia and Venezuela are capitalist countries obviously. Cuba too, partially.