THANK YOU BASED STEVE FOR CALLING AMD OUT ON THEIR SHADY TACTICS

THANK YOU BASED STEVE FOR CALLING AMD OUT ON THEIR SHADY TACTICS

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LITERALLY THE BEST HARDWARE REVIEWER

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"AMD suggested that we test the cpu's with a gpu bottleneck" - Gamers Nexus.

When there were gaming workloads, AMD inflated their numbers by doing a few things:
In the Sniper Elite demo, AMD frequently looked at the skybox when reloading, and often kept more of the skybox in the frustum than on the side-by-side Intel processor. A skybox has no geometry, which is what loads a CPU with draw calls, and so it’ll inflate the framerate by nature of testing with chaotically conducted methodology. As for the Battlefield 1 benchmarks, AMD also conducted using chaotic methods wherein the AMD CPU would zoom / look at different intervals than the Intel CPU, making it effectively impossible to compare the two head-to-head.
And, most importantly, all of these demos were run at 4K resolution. That creates a GPU bottleneck, meaning we are no longer observing true CPU performance. The analog would be to benchmark all GPUs at 720p, then declare they are equal (by way of tester-created CPU bottlenecks). There’s an argument to be made that low-end performance doesn’t matter if you’re stuck on the GPU, but that’s a bad argument: You don’t buy a worse-performing product for more money, especially when GPU upgrades will eventually out those limitations as bottlenecks external to the CPU vanish.

here, you can see an exact prototype of a nu male. A white pussy fag cuck, ridden with guilt, without any pride whatsoever, bought and paid with 1000$ to shill for a company that milked billions of $ from cuck gamers and other consumers.
you can see total defeat in his eyes, you can be sure he will use that 1000$ from intel to pay for a weekend trip for his (((gf))) and her lovers tyrone and jamal.
nu male cuckoldry at its best.

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I thought liberal newmales liked ayymd

Holy fuck

Fuck AMD

stfu fag, steve would knock your pussy ass out

Get raped and kill yourself, you retarded fucking faggot sack of nigger shit with down syndrome.

I was wondering why Linus Tech Tips didn't test the processors where it showed a CPU bottleneck and only tested at 4k, looks like they were paid off.

Link to video

youtube.com/watch?v=j7UBHjtCXhU&feature=youtu.be&t=1264

Starts at 21:04

Seriously fuck AMD

Well I guess I'm only following Gamers Nexus from now on.

it's okay, i understand you're angry ryzen is only 8/10 while you thought it was 12/10

This guy doesn't seem like the guy to take bribes, though cat food and pantene pro-v isnt free

lmao, a "man" who does his (((reviews))) from his cuckshed while his whore of a girlfriend is fucking AIDS infected niggers is not even in a position to knock his whore of a mother's ass who raised him to be a pussy cuck that he is.
Just look at that defeated nu-male shill face

Looks like your average angry nerd opinion discarded

Key factors here:
AMD did not threaten anyone with loss of preferential treatment.
AMD did not discourage 1080p or lower res benchmarks.
AMD recommended they also test at 1440p or 4k.
The entire industry is trying to shill 4K right now from monitor vendors, content creators, and hardware vendors in every area.

i think buildzoid is going to stop talking to steve after this

people have pointed out that some of his methodology seems ass-backwards and he goes against standard testing protocols because he thinks he knows better

FUCK AMD AND AMDTARDS

Ryzen is better for 4K gaming than Intel's best cpu running at a much higher frequency

Holy fuck you truly are suicidal because Ryzen turned out to be shit and it won't even bulge the massive gaming market.

professional market is bigger and upgrades alot more frequently

well he is certainly entitled to have his own methodology, especially with the time he has on his disposal. It's not like he's fucking his gf and wasting time on her, niggers do that, he only sacrifices 10 min of his daily routine to suck that nigger jizz out of her pussy. nu male shill.

So if you're a professional you buy R7 1800
If you're a lamer gaymer you buy R7 1700

I really don't see the problem here, either way you get more bang for your buck.

Fucking intel shills I swear

massive market of nu male cuck virgins.

ok man you are making an ass out of yourself
stop mentioning nigger dicks and cucks all the time.
We get it, you have a fetish.
NO ONE CARES

Ryzen has no APUs you dumdum, Ryzen sucks at gaymen.

gamers nexus testing methodology is one of the best, they are transparent and on point.

why is it all of the sudden people have a problem with them? because something they over-hyped doesn't actually live up to the hype in reality? they were mislead and bamboozled by amds marketing?

nu-male.
better start saving for that x299 processor for a (((special))) price of 1,999.00$, it's gonna rock.

Explain how it's backwards instead of just referring to "people"

if buildzoid and amd were so buddy buddy with each other why didn't buildzoid receive an amd review kit?

>everyone I don't agree with is a nu-male cuck

I never seen so much buzzwords and cuck/numale thrown around in a long time.

If you actually think this way just fucking off yourself you insufferable faggot.

That's the point you fucking subhuman brain dead mouth breathing brown faced goofy looking gay walking fag talking retard.

Let's assume you're a gayming vermin that for 95% of the time uses PC for browsing Internet, playing games and listening to music etc. Your regular normie shit. Let's also assume your income is as average as your use of computers.

Whether you buy a r7 Ryzen CPU or 7700k you spend shitload of money, we talk about $600+ combos that usually require new motherboard, ram and CPU. It is only logical you want to keep this rig for at least 5 years. $100+ a year is still quite an expense.

GPU bottlenecks hide worse performing Ryzen. It is true - in 2017 if you opt for 4K/60 fps gaming you won't feel a difference in your daily use between 7700k and 1700x. In both cases games will perform exactly the same.

But now quickly move 3-4 years down the lane.
The average person upgrades their GPU once ever 2, 2.5 year. It's a fact. Even if you don't want to and you will skip one gen the point remains the same.

4 years down the lane we will get $200 GPUs that perform as well as current 1080 ti. For $500-$700 you will probably reach performance that allows to run 1440p at 240Hz or 4k in 120/144Hz.

And that's where the bottleneck will start to shine. Because what happens right know with Ryzen in 1080p will soon happen in 1440p with the release of Vega and Volta and then in 4K 4 years from now.

Resolution has no influence on CPU usage for at least 20 years. It's simply GPU shitting itself before CPU does.

So yea not only for your regular daily use normie having 8 cores makes no difference while costing more but it also means worse performance when talking possible future upgrades.

>nu male cuck virgins

why are you projecting yourself?

But reddit told me that AMD are the good guys, wtf.

HAHAHAHA I had to laugh hard at this post. How buttdevastated are you over a failed piece of silicon to jump to this kind of thinking. You're like the guy in the room that everyone can spot is a massive wanker who amounts to nothing is his life. Maybe lay off the fetishist porn for a while my dude.

Oh well guess I'll guy AMD and hershel wont get as much barmitzva money. tragedy i know

>all this butthurt shill posting
>can't make a single real point

Protip: If you bench at 1080p in addition to 1440p and 4k then no performance is hidden.

This is why I felt something was way off when they first showcased BF1 running Ryzen with nvidias Titan GPU. What the fuck why are you using your competitors GPUs when your own company produces its own?
Now we know why, smoke and fucking mirrors with AMD,
I've lost complete confidence with them now, just glad I knew to hold off from pre-ordering and stuck to it, dodged a fucking bullet.

i'm 110% sure he has a cuck fetish, is obese, has a small cock and unattractive as fuck

i don't watch porn.
i really couldn't care for intel or amd.
I just like to start shit.

but you gotta admit, people who pay 1.700$ for a CPU are nu male cucks, whether you like it or not.

>amd uses intel cpus to showcase their gpus
>amd uses nvidia gpus to showcase their cpus
Really makes you think

Oddly enough Ars also called this

JUST

Thanks for reminding me, they showcased Polaris/Battlefront using Intel CPUs. God dammit amd

Oh neat, you mean in four years when Intel unveils their new core design, and AMD talks about theirs coming shortly after? Wow, amazing.

In 4 years I'll get maximum enjoyment out of my 8 core as the four core chugs along for the same price?

And basing any opinion about Ryzen based on the results of these early tests other then AMD can't launch a product to save their lives, literally, just further feeds in to the normie bullshit you are ranting about and railing against.

Pull the dick out of your ass and wait a fucking week for AMD to unfuck themselves with the memory latency and get their SMT optimizations straightened out.

Then come back and look at the results you stupid mother fucker.

AMD only suggested that they do 4K AS WELL AS 1440p and 1080p so people using those monitors can see how Ryzen would do for them. Which is a reasonable request. They did not ask for them to not do 1080p benchmarks at all.

Ryzen does seem to, on average, had better minimum framerates than both the 7700k and 6900k. And it shows even more at 1440p.

Which is exactly what I fucking assumed AMD asked.

Gamers Nexus has been extremely biased here. Their own benchmark shows the Ryzen CPU they tested got 15% higher minimum framerates than the 7700k, yet they made no mention of it.
And for a gaming focused site, they only tested 4 fucking games. 3 of them the worst they could find, it seems.
This was an obvious hit job.

Yeah...just wait..just wait...surely AMD will be much better...if you just wait

AMDtards are so fucking retarded

>GPU bottlenecks hide worse performing Ryzen

or, you know, they actually properly leverage the GPU because your CPU shouldn't really be doing a lot of drawing anyhow?

The difference is that Zen+ will still be on AM4 so you don't have to throw away a $150 motherboard as well and get a new $150 motherboard.
And the AMD motherboards are $50 cheaper. lmao.

I can afford to spend another $300 on the next good Ryzen in 2019 much more easily instead of having to spend $550 for a new intel CPU and motherboard.

A week, wait a week you stupid waterheaded mongloid.

$0.02 has been deposited into your account.

Intelfags btfo

>i don't watch porn.
>i really couldn't care for intel or amd.
>I just like to start shit.

gets called out, feels bad, starts to back peddle "b-but i was just joking guys i-its the internet i don't really c-care ha ha"

$ goes before the digits retard, but yes i do agree buying $500+ CPUs/GPUs is autistic rich or poor

He had an ax to grind for sure.

Wait a week for AMD to fix something that should never have even been broken in the first place?

AMDtards just love to shovel shit directly into their mouths and pay for it.

>Ryzen does seem to, on average, had better minimum framerates than both the 7700k and 6900k. And it shows even more at 1440p
The test shows that this statement.......was a lie

being this invested in a mediocre computer part

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Yup, AMD fucked up, because they couldn't test it thenselves apparently.

Now that they can't escape it, they have to figure it out fast what the problem is.

Explain what GN has to gain by doing a "hit job" on AMD.

Explain the "vendetta" Steve has against AMD.

>AMD getting beat in their own sponsored game by an Intel processor that costs $160 less

You cant make this shit up.

Before
>muh DX12 drivers

I'm sorry, did you just get butt blasted over flaming straw man arguments?

It gets worse

I'm not sure why Ars didn't do the 99th percentile test for this one

However, by now you've probably noticed a trend....

Intel preferential treatment.

Fabricating drama to create intrigue and establishing legitimacy for his site and channel.

To name a couple.

Although in fairness it held its own in some games.....but they're all older games

Say it with me!

ANOTHER
MASSIVE
DISAPPOINTMENT

That a different site gives different test results?

Show gamersnexus benches.

Migrate intelfags

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steve is going to be releasing the e-mails of the convos with amd, so we will see who's telling the truth

>they only tested 4 fucking games

6 games, and they picked all good ones to bench

watch dogs 2 - cpu intenstive game, good game to bench for a cpu

battlefield 1 - amd sponsored game, game amd was showing off when demoing ryzen

ashes of the singularity - amd sponsored game, heavily benchmarked every where

gta v - built-in benchmark, nothing wrong with benching it

metro: last night - cpu intenstive game

total war warhammer - amd sponsored game, good benchmark

stop trying to throw this on gamers nexus, amd fucked up.

>showing that other sites are starting to find the exact same thing as the site in the OP is bad

I want to see tests with decent clocked memories, not that 2133 CL17 shit everyone is pulling out.

What's with all the reddit spacing?

Oh.......oh no

(also the fuck is the 7700k doing there)

This isn't about ars faggot. This is about one ass hole going SJW to make a name for himself.

More I see fucking review scores of 1800x less I trust all of them, what the fuck is GTA5 doing on par with Intel?

Most reviewers shot it way lower, like 15% lower.

two games. Go fuck yourself.

Gamer Nexus own tests shows it has 15% higher minimum framerate in BF1 over the 7700k.
For some reviewers, the majority of games they tested showed higher minimum framerates over the 7700k even though averages were usually lower.

And as for Ashes, they're going to patch an update for Ryzen. Old news, shill.

This is the usual AMD shit. Bad launch, but in a year later the Ryzen 3 will be twice as powerful as the 6950X.

AMD fucked up, but he wasn't 100% honest was he?

Have you paid attention to the rest of the benchmarks I've been dumping? They (almost) all show the same thing.

Face it, 1800X has issues

This.

Gamers Nexus has been nothing but reputable so far.

AMD is looking very very bad right now, I don't see how anyone could defend this behavior.

Who's denying that?

>but in a year later the Ryzen 3 will be twice as powerful as the 6950X

So delusional

Why there is huge discrepancy is gaming benchmarks for reviewers today? Is this something related to BIOS update?

>AMD_LisaSuCEO of AMD 148 points 48 minutes ago
>Ryzen is doing really well in 1440p and 4K gaming when the applications are more graphics bound. And we do exceptionally well in rendering and workstation applications where more cores are really useful. In 1080p, we have tested over 100+ titles in the labs…. And depending on the test conditions, we do better in some games and worse in others. We hear people on wanting to see improved 1080p performance and we fully expect that Ryzen performance in 1080p will only get better as developers get more time with “Zen”. We have over 300+ developers now working with "Zen" and several of the developers for Ashes of Singularity and Total Warhammer are actively optimizing now

>>>>>gaming
>nexus
only doing 6 games is not reputable.

I have a lot of trouble believing that AMD tried to get them to not show any 1080 benchmarks.
I've only seen 1 reviewer out of like 20 that didn't show 1080p benchmarks, only because they said they have those coming for a more in depth benchmark video. So I'm supposed to believe AMD tried to get all these people to not do any 1080p benchmarks and didn't succeed with one of them?

gamers nexus have been reputable forever, why is it that all of the sudden they are trying to drum up fake drama? just because they've exposed something that goes against your narrative? stop it, you sound ridiculous.

>ashes of the singularity - amd sponsored game, heavily benchmarked every where
Ashes is a shit game, but is a great benchmark tool.

>Entry 9 = 1 if the CPU was waiting for the GPU, 0 otherwise. If 1, the application is GPU bound, if 0, CPU bound.

Amdrones are nintendo tier cult. They will defend anytjing.

>But isn't it unfair to compare CPUs if there is GPU bottleneck? Then all CPUs will perform similarly.

>AMD_RobertTechnical Marketing[S] 21 points 17 minutes ago
>First, I think it's important that readers get a complete picture of a processor. People who have 1440p and 4K displays deserve to read how their potential processor will perform on the monitor they have. Don't you agree? We're also not shying away from the 1080p results. We clearly have some work to do with game developers on some of these titles to invest in the vital optimizations that can so dramatically improve an application's performance on a new microarchitecture. This takes time, but we'll get it done. But what's also clear is that there's a distribution of games that run well, and a distribution of games that run poorly. Call it a "bell curve" if you will. It's unfortunate that the outliers are some notable titles, but many of these game devs (e.g. Oxide, Sega, Bethesda) have already said there's significant improvement that can be gleaned. We have proven the Zen performance and IPC. Many reviewers today proved that, at 1080p in games. There is no architectural reason why the remaining titles should be performing as they are.

Ask Steve why he's throwing AMD under the bus for asking him to include 1440 and 4k benchmarks as well.

>Literally every benchmark shows the same. Ryzen 1800x being 15% behind 7700k in games.
>There is even a thread with an Intel autistic shill posting over 20 benchmarks all showing the same on different sites.
>Another retarded shill, this time AMD one, spams one benchmark of some Mexican gaymer - a massive AMD shill that cares so much that he even releases response videos to other Youtubers criticizing AMD (ie: AdoredTV and Gamers Nexus).
>G-guys why is there such a massive discrepancy in gaming benchmarks?

Seriously stop, it's embarrassing.

Look at JayzTwoCents twitter a day ago

They literally told him to hold off on his review 1 day before the launch because they had "new instructions on how to review it"

They are trying to rig this shit so hard, AMD is so scummy

>Intel preferential treatment
GN's testing and verdict was plenty fair and doesn't warrant "preferential treatment" from Intel. They can't recommend it for gaming, but from their testing it seems like a great value for people doing rendering.

GN will continue to see the same treatment from Intel and AMD.

>Fabricating drama
There's nothing dramatic about this review. It's straightforward benchmarks.
>Create intrigue
While it's certainly intriguing that these are the results they got, they aren't gadflys.
>Establishing legitimacy
Was the channel not legit before this review? They've already established plenty of legitimacy with how thorough their thermal testing is.

>To name a couple.
Name some more, if they are so numerous.

Now, there are reasons to wait on this review a bit. The UEFI update still needs to be released, but I'm sure there will be an update to this review to see if that update changed anything.

There was always a catch with Ryzen and they're on their way to showing it. Not to say that Ryzen is bad, it's just that I suspected some drawbacks at the prices AMD were offering and a lot of people in the tech community are on their way to finding out what that catch is.

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Yes. There seems to be major issues with motherboards and BIOS. Windows probably needs updates as well.

youtu.be/G_6rs9cBzvE?t=687

They can dump emails showing shady shit all they want. But even if it's true, it's not an excuse to make their "review" so obviously bias. They're a gaming focused site that only tested 6 games. And there were areas that the Ryzen did well in those gaming tests that they completely ignored and gave nothing but negatives.

Almost every other reviewer has noted that Ryzen has seemingly no stuttering problem that the 7700k has in some games, and often has much higher minimum frame rates even though the averages are often lower. Lots of other reviewers also pointed out that there seems to be a lot of issues with gaming performance that may get fixed, and that they're going to be looking into them.

Again, even if AMD tried to pull some Intel shit themselves, that's no excuse to mislead your audience by doing a biased "review" in revenge.

An update for Ashes to fix its performance on Ryzen is coming. Oxide confirmed it many hours ago. They said it's been in the works and is looking great, but isn't quite finished yet.

>only doing 6 games is not reputable.

hardware canucks also tested 6 games

eteknix only tested 2 games

guru 3d only tested 4 games

i believe linus tech tips only tested either 5-6 games as well

it's a fucking cpu not a gpu, you're going to test out some cpu intensive games and thats it

>t-test more i swear its going to win eventually

stop it man