Why did AMD decide to market Ryzen 7 towards the fucking gaming market when its real strength is in workstation/content...

Why did AMD decide to market Ryzen 7 towards the fucking gaming market when its real strength is in workstation/content creation workloads?

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Cause the gaming market is bigger.

Because it's better to test your virgin silicon on a bunch of losers and not companies that can fuck you over with an army of lawyers

Because AMD are scam artists

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So if one were to build a Workstation - a Ryzen would be better than the i7?

No Gayming will be performed. Will probably just throw a cheap Amd 4xx or Nvidia 10xx card in it.

>Why did AMD decide to market Ryzen 7 towards the fucking gaming market
it didn't though. have you missed all the blender benchmark presentations? it's your fault if you only read the gaymin press reviews.

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Wait a few years and everyone will be using Ryzen

Because like it or not, gaming is huge market.

the ryzen is likely to be a better option. you should also consider waiting for the Ryzen+Vega APUs.

Gaming market = Younger audience = Easier to influence

You'd be surprised at how little you need to spend to market products towards gamers, comparatively to businesses. Even at the small scale store I worked at it was like that, let alone for a large manufacturer.

Good suggestion.

How long a wait are we talking here?

Only if you are literally only doing encoding & rendering.

The i7 is better at everything else, the adobe suite, microsoft apps, financial software, etc.

AMDelusion off the charts

I was thinking about building a new system with Ryzen because all those cores really pay off when compiling, but guess I'll wait for their APU offerings. Really don't want to buy a dedicated GPU anymore.

Nope, no encoding or rendering.

Just Office, Internet Browsing and Financial Stuff.

And probably Youtube/Pornhub.

He said workstation, not office chromebook

>Just Office, Internet Browsing and Financial Stuff.
You can do that with an i3.

After Ryzenpill, she looks as artificial as its performance.

>best Ryzon has single thread performance of $75 Pentium

pretty long, several months at least

I take my words back, this guy could use a pentium

It isn't, not even in the slightest. You just don't notice the business marketing, because it's mostly done backstage, in the form of personalized presentations to customers, and supply and support contracts.

Then definitely get an Intel

i7 is probably over kill, i5 would be nice, i5-7600 is good

get a pentium or an apu

Majority of system builders are gamers.
Workstation builders don't buy fucking boxed AMD cpus.

Even an i3, hell even a Pentium will do that effectively.

Same reason Intel's X99 chips are marketed at gaming, even though they're basically E5 1600 Xeons sans ECC and virtual passthrough.
Same reason Nvidia's Titans are in the GTX gayman line, even though the target audience are prosumers.

People who know they need that kind of performance will buy it anyway, but like this at least they also have a shot at people with more money than sense.
Enterprise and prosumers typically have a much longer upgrade cycle as they want to amortize their expenses, so they're not a consistent source of income, just a lump sum every 5+ years as all the servers get replaced wholesale.

gamers are illiterate retards who literaly buy whatever any given company tells them too, amd just figured they could easily take their cut of manchildren disposable income without too much effort

Has a Pentium now. Wants an i7.

Its not up for discussion, as much as an i7 is way overkill - its what is required.

Fuck off then. Go be retarded elsewhere.

If you want it, go for it, the i7 7700k is a beast, you won't find anything faster

>>The i7 is better at everything else, the adobe suite, microsoft apps, financial software, etc.

Isn't Ryzen a beast at multi thread applications?

Ryzen or i7?

Intel then. Ill go for it.

Thanks

Because they're the only people you need to advertise to. People who actually have a brain and need a CPU for work purposes will do their own research. It's only retarded gaymers who have to be spoonfed information.

:^)

>Isn't Ryzen a beast at multi thread applications?

It's only good at very specific applications that do very specific things like rendering/encoding

Everything else is better with an i7

>overkill...is required
If it's required, it's not overkill. If you want it because you like the idea of it and the marketing around it then say so. Don't fool yourself into thinking it's logical, it's very clearly an emotional decision.

There's nothing wrong with that. Anyone who has a core 2 or better probably doesn't need an upgrade but a lot of us choose to upgrade because we feel like it. I bought a 7850k because I liked the idea of a single chip breaking one terraflop with a bit of overclocking.

I can play 2017 gaymen on my i3 550, surely it will be enough for watching pronhub

2 things there:

- photoshop has never been multithread heavy, has been relying on ST performance, and I doubt it will change any time soon.

- what does it mean with "pcmark8 workload"? Honestly anything with pcmark puts me on full alert, for me they're high suspects. IIRC it was pcmark that was used when a few years ago someone faked a VIA Nano cpuid to pass as an Intel, and the performance result almost doubled.

>Not watching 4k porn and being able to count the hairs around the models anus
Pleb.

"Overkill" is not required. But an i7 is required.. So, yeah lets play word games.

The workload is i3 worthy, maybe on a busy busy once a year day i5 worthy.

But it still needs to have an i7 because thats what i was told. I said it foesnt need an i7, they say it does.

Im not getting paid to argue. Just to build.

Yes, 8/16 is made for specific applications, it still works in all of them just worse, just liek fucking 6900 that you can see in same chart being on same level.

I have an i3 4350 and its good. Only ARMA 3 struggles. But it still has to have an i7.

It's a benchmark, here's another one, there's tons of others showing basically any office or media app that isn't encoding/rendering does very bad on Ryzen

But it doesn't do very bad, it does 6% worse than competition, that's pretty darn good.

>So, yeah lets play word games.
Let's boil your statements down to the bare minimum.
i7 = overkill
i7 = required
Therefore i7 = overkill = required, or at least that's what your statement comes across as. If you disagree, please say so and say why. Regardless, this really does come across as an emotional decision influenced by marketing. It really doesn't look like anything user can say will change your mind so why ask in the first place unless you want validation?

I have multimonitor setup, and I can tell you that it can decode 2 fullhd 60fps videos without any struggle. I don't think it would have a problem decoding 4meme

Two full aytch dee videos are nothing close to 4k. A colleague of mine recently got a new PC because his core 2 quad could easily handle two 1080 videos but wouldn't even look at playing the 4k videos his new DJI phantom 4 was spitting out. A shame because his clients aren't interested in 4k, so he ends up re encoding the video to 1080p regardless but not being able to play them was a killer.

I see, you're building that for someone. Do you know why they want overkill meme?

i3 is perfect for your use.

I know it is, it's the reference of Pcmark that worries me. And honestly, Sysmark has also been under fire for years on suspicions of favoring Intel.
Ok, I do want to have actual discussions on the real performance, and I can dismiss isolated bias accusations as fake. But when one was actually shown to favor a specific brand, and the other has its entire history filled with suspicions, I'm not ready to jump into the results right in yet.

>very bad
>5.76% gap
>half the price
>not a 140W housefire

AMD btfo!

It's like you buy a dumpster to carry a folder of documents. Not only stupid and unnecessary, but shows your lack of planning.

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Someone edit this.

Ryzen 1700 is faster than 7700K, given that you don't play in 720p on low details.

k outperformed by 7700k
This is a single threaded benchmark. No shit it's going to perform relatively bad when compared to a low core-count high clockspeed part

>bad a powerpoint
oh no

>6% worse
>50% less price
>IT DOES BAD RYZEN IS SHIT!@!!!!!#!@#!
Typical Intel shill.

It's like you buy a dumpster to carry your folder of documents. Not only unnecessary, but shows your lack of planning.

You realize 2 fullhd = 1/2 4k, right? This means that if you have youe cpu maxed out decoding 2 fullhd, you could decode 4k at half the framerate. This wasn't the case at all with my machine, as I was also running vidya at the same time, so it would decode 4k at decent if not full framerate. Also, decoding 4k is usually faster than decoding 4 fullhd videos, due to how codecs encode picture details.

Cause its just a bit too autistic. I know, im here on Sup Forums but you dont have to be so autistic. It doesnt have to be the BEST i7.. It just needs an i7.

An i7 is required. So by your autistic logic Overkill is required.. Whil im not disagreein with you, i just think its autsistic as fuck to get so worked up over semantics instead of just reading "it needs an i7, which is overkill for many things" and then saying to yourself "im not autistic, it needs an i7, and while that may be overkill for some things, it still needs an i7".

I asked if i should get an i7 or a Ryzen you autsimo maximo.. That was my question.. Workstation use: intel or amd. Then i specified what that use wasm then i said it needs an i7 or a ryzen..

Causr they do. I suggested something cheaper, but they eant an i7. At the end of the day, i dont care. Its not my money or my pc. I just want to know if i should get them the intel or the amd. I think they just want all them cores..

A Pentium is perfect, but they still want an i7. But i can sway them to a Ryzen.

Not my pc. I dont even care. I7 or ryzen..

You're still not clear about what type of i7, though. There's the mainstream i7 (4c/8t) and there's the HEDT i7 (6c/12t, 8c/16t, 10c/20t).

Because CPUs won't be a bottleneck for games for at least the next 10 years.

...

It doesnt really matter.

I would pick a cheap i7 with good price/performance. I wouldnt get him a beast Overkill OC K model.

Say, for arguments sake, the cheapest 8 core i7 vs the cheapest 8 core Ryzen.

Cheapest 8 core Ryzen is literally half the price of the cheapest 8 core Intel

kek

>Cheapest vs. cheapest

In that case I'd go for Ryzen probably, altough it would help to know exactly what financing software they use.

Oh my bad, read "cheapest i7 vs. cheapest 8 core Ryzen".
If it's 8core vs. 8core, Ryzen by a large margin.

this. see: razor

Excel is the "finance software" but at a guess, it might be MYOB.

As has been said before over and over - the i7 is 100% overkill, but the client wants what the client wants.

I know its stupid and its retarded, but what can i do? Doesnt care. Just wants the i7 (marketing meme worked on them). Hell might not even matter about the cores either.

Either way, the software is going to perform pretty much the same. Excel can only do so much with all those cores and gigahertz. You can convince him to get a Ryzen 1700 if you want; roughly the price of the 7700k but has 8 cores instead of 4.

I don't know, believe it or not I've seen a few cpu taxing Excel works. At the factory I do IT at, we use mitcalc for instance, and the heavier material calculations can take some time on the supervisor's laptop i5-6200u.

This. Fuck everyone else.

The work the client needs is just from a single table and doesnt connect to any external datasources. Its just text and some +/- calculations.

The other thing someone else mentioned is with AMD and no onboard then i still need to get a gfx card.

Retarded clients are retarded

businesses buy server chips, not $300 consumer shit

people who are care for hard numbers are going to look for what suits them best by themselves
gamer fags are fine with shiny 3D bar graphs with missing labels

I know, I was just replying to him saying the gaming market is larger, when it isn't. In fact it's smaller than most people believe, it's just that gamers are a very vocal group, e.g. look at how many Ryzen Fanboyism/Hate threads were here on its release, and how its content always revolved around gaming.

Holy fuck you are retarded

The Intel is $340 and the Ryzen is $500

You are literally paying more for worse perfomance

i7-7700 or 6700 it is, then. It has an iGPU and he's not gonna know the difference between a bottom-of-the-barrel h110 motherboard and a modest quality h270 board.

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in the consumer market where these CPUs are being sold the gaming segment is by far the largest

I didn't mean larger revenue-wise. I meant larger as in there are more gamers than datacenters. They're trying to build hype around ryzen. Backstage presentations to enterprise customers don't generate social media hype and exposure.

That being said, it seems r7 is a chip for enterprise use. r5 will probably be for gaming.

again, no. these CPUs are not for enterprise use, that will be the naples chips coming out later and competing with xeon

Try harder

>get so worked up
Heh, I'm not worked up but it's interesting that you think that. I also asked for you to state why you think what you do, clearly stating that emotional reasons are fully acceptable. That makes it absolutely hilarious that you see the need to lash out and call me autistic. I'll say this again, I'm not worked up, I'm more than a little amused.

I'm going to ignore the rest of your post because it mostly consists of angry name calling and typos, you've made up your mind so I'll tell you the one thing you want to hear; an i7 is an excellent choice, you'll be very happy with it.

She doesn't look happy

Gamers are hyperconsumers, they buy a lot of expensive shit on a whim.

Wake up

Business professionals don't care about advertising, they just check the specs and Benchmarks on their own, advertising at them would be pointless which is why they spend their entire advertising budget on vidya Autists.
Makes perfect sense to me.

>Gamers Nexus

while being 1.5x the price
>very good

>Before release of Ryzen
>Gamers Nexus is the only reviewer you can trust guys, don't post anything else.
>After the release of Ryzen
>WTF why do you post this garbage in here? look at those fat soon to be deported Latino benchmarks where ryzen goes even with 7700k
>Turns out Beaner was an illiterate Sup Forumsermin that run benchmarks with GPU hitting limits before CPU did
>Reruns them on low settings and it turns out that Ryzen is 20% behind 7700k
>???

Because the business market doesn't upgrade until their 3 year warranties expire.

I didn't mean marketing in the form of advertisements per se. More in line of securing supply deals with customers, and with sufficiently large customers, you're the one actively looking to do business with them. For instance, at my job we currently have a 10-year supply contract with a local HP supplier for PC parts, and Ricoh for printers, as they were the ones that offered us the best conditions/price ratio (except in this case, as a smaller, medium-sized company, we were the ones looking for the business partner instead). It includes both parts and maintenence contracts.

Your average Excel jockey isn't going to notice any difference. Most people in those environments are running i3s or mobile i5s.

Workstation workloads are a different matter, as most people in that world use ECC memory, which the Core series doesn't support, except for the extremes. All of the benchmarkers comparing it against the Core i7 for those workloads are fucking up. They need to compare against Xeon.

The problem is, the Skylake Xeons are apparently going to be really damn good, so I'm not sure if Ryzen will be able to compete on performance. Price barely matters in that market, either.

Which category does Broadwell-E fall into?

>The Intel is $340 and the Ryzen is $500

The 6950X costs $340 now? Where can I buy one?

Because workstation and content creation is done on GPUcompute now, for most pro rendering or encoding you would be better to buy a mid range i5 and spend what you save over a 1700 or 1800 on upgrading the GPU one step.

High-end consumer desktop. A weird variant of Broadwell E3 Xeons that support overclocking, but don't support ECC. Not sure who actually buys them.