What went wrong?

What went wrong?

capacity

It was a piece of shit.

On a single layer HD DVD could only hold 15 GB while blu ray can hold 25 on one layer
Plus lack of support from movie studios
Plus when the coffin was buried if you wanted your movies on blu ray (providing you bouguht a player by then) you had to pay Werner 5 bucks to replace it on Blu ray

why use this shit existing a superior platform that is better in everything?

Just like Sega update devices 32X was not a good idea

How so shit poster? Also HD DVD planned on H.264 from the start, while Bluray was only really planning on MPEG2.

Also looking from it at a console standpoint
If you wanted to watch a blu ray movie on a PS3 you just put the disc in but if you had a 360 and wanted to watch an HD DVD you had to buy a 200 dollar drive that only played the format
Granted the PS3 was five hundred and ninety nine US dollars but you got a console that didn't use a format that was gonna die in two years

It had less capacity
Also, when a video standard changes, the media holding it doesn't have to.

MPEG2 is pretty blocky even at the highest end of the bitrate.

>Also, when a video standard changes, the media holding it doesn't have to.
Yeah but the hardware needed to decode it would need to change.

I'm still annoyed that laserdisc didn't catch on.

Sony actually owned a Movie studio and the PS3 was another advantage for Bluray to win.

It was an inferior format though, Bluray is a lot more fragile compared to Bluray. Bluray costs a lot more too and it uses an inefficient codec so quality ended up being worse despite having almost 2x the storage size of HD-DVD.

History always seems to repeat itself with these physical formats with the better ones losing out in the end.

mpeg2 holds up fine at high bitrates

*Bluray is a lot more fragile compared to HD-DVD

Flash drives made it irrelevant.

Kek I just wanted to quote just with this picture

>Kek I just wanted to quote just with this picture

Now you can quote me. I'm drunk

Blu-ray was adopted by the porno producers.

Nothing was inherently wrong with the technology, it was BETAMAX all over again.

I think the most relevant part was that the PS was the much more successful console if you see it on an international level. Xbox only won in the US because of muh patriotism and games catered to jocks.

>inb4

Not all 360s even had HDDVD support.

They didn't support as invasive DRM or region locks.

Studios that released HD-DVD often did simultaneous releases on BD, while studios rarely did the other way around,

Sony always wins baby

Sony always wins, baby

also it was just worse than Blu Ray in every single way. Be fucking grateful that there wasn't a major home media console maker pushing HD DVD so that normies adopt it and Blu Ray would have died.

Also that monologue the nerd guy gave in Tropic Thunder.

>inferior to every other option in the picture
>g-guise it holds up fine

Retard.

The point is that no HD disc worth it's weight in plastic is encoded with a bitrate below 10MBit/s anyway.

bluray is terrible. new movies need a internet connection and special player to work. dvds did not have this "feature"

No 360 had HD-DVD support, it was a separate addon you had to buy.

>you had to pay Werner 5 bucks to replace it on Blu ray
at least they are region-free.

>new movies need a internet connection
what?
all BDs I have run fine without a connection.

>PSNR
Just stop, this is a horrible way to compare quality.

its some new copy protection thing. maybe its not used yet then

>new movies need a internet connection and special player to work
As which?

that is for UHD BD. We were talking about HD-DVD and regular BD

Blu-ray was better, this is actually the one time it went right, normally it goes wrong
>Betamax lost
>LaserDisc lost

Betamax players were more expensive to produce and buy and couldn't play as long as VHS tapes.

Laserdisc lost because shit was fuckhuge compared to VHS and was more expensive. With DVD, there was finally a consumer-friendly disc format for movies.

i know my terminator 2 BD has some really fucking obnoxious online features

you can just turn them off in any BD player though i think

I have both; a PS3 slim and a 360 (Arcade) with HD-DVD drive, movies on both have literally the same quality.

HD-DVD lost because of capacity, not quality.

Betamax deserved to lose. Yes it looked better but at the time people cared more about being able to record an entire football game on one tape than having it look slightly less fuzzy on their CRT televisions. Laserdisc is another story, but unlike Betamax it found a niche within the enthusiast crowd for it's bonus content and "trick playback" features like perfect still frames and time-shifting.

a couple years ago i found out about Video2000

>1979, so a little after vhs/betamax
>4 hours /per side/ (double sided like a cassette tape), later 8 hours per side
>better quality than VHS (not sure about betamax)
>full resolution pause (apparently a thing people wanted)

Ironically none of this stops someone from simply streaming the movie to a capture card

you need a legally-dubious HDCP-stripping box to capture video from a bluray player

can't you just rip out the video tracks using a BD player too?

Hardly, if I stream it to my computer I can simply capture it with something fucking stupid like OBS or some shit.

The HDCP doesn't have a clue what you're trying to stream to, it could be a TV or a capture device

No the blu-ray devices have some really wicked DRM on them to stop you from doing that. Thats why you need to stream from your blu-ray player to a "Television/Monitor" and capture it through that

Unlike before where you could just capture and rip the data, you have to let the movie play and capture what plays. Whats good is you don't need any special software beyond normal tools

My teacher tried to play a movie from his laptop's CD drive to a projector for the class to see but the movie wouldn't play because of the HDCP shit stopping him because he used a VGA cable.

These DRM solutions always and ONLY fuck the customer

HD DVD was supposed to be easier to manufacture n shiet, but Bluray was Sony and they had more money.

Also PS3 helped bring it to households.

But what happened during this transition was that internet streaming took off, so Bluray adoption wasn't as big as lets say DVD or VHS.

huh, could've sworn they had cracked the DRM for blu-rays a long time ago

They've updated it since, sure old blu-rays you can rip easy but new ones are getting more and more intrusive to the point you can't do simple stuff like said

they haven't stopped making new versions of HDCP

well i was thinking more of AACS but yeah HDCP is also a big pain

why do they even do this

to try to stop people from using capture devices by only allowing display devices to be connected

People are going to say it was a capacity issue but those people have no idea what they're talking about as it was much easier to double layer or even triple layer an HD DVD than it was a blu ray.

It came down entirely to advertising and movie studios taking sides early into the fight. It also helped that every PS3 was a blu ray player.
The prone industry also played a role.

TL;DR Sony pushed Blu Ray hard and convinced multiple prominent studios to jump on board early. HD DVD never had a chance.

People use bluray?

yes

cant you just make the capture card show fake info to the player that says its a tv?

Why even bother with optical media?

Some people like to buy movies and/or games

HDCP

More expensive to make

Yes, it's basically the last bastion of the buyfag mentality.
That's not to say buyfag mentality is completely retarded. I understand wanting to actually own your shit, but let's be honest, most of the actual blu rays anyone owns at this point are already visually outdated.

i don't care about your disgusting fetishes and their quality. just answer the question

HDCP

Those collectors and encoders from the scene probably. Though Techmoan bought himself a high-definition VHS (D-Theatre)

Discs are way cheaper per GB.

(((Hd DvD)

The PS3 helped Blu-ray succeed. Also it was just better in general.

>Betamax
It's right there in the name. They should've called it Alphamax, then it would have been dominant.