>intel tried a new architecture with P4
>it failed miserably
>a P4 overclocked to 5ghz stil couldn't outperform a 2.6ghz Athlon 64
>they went back to the P3 architecture and rehashed it for the Core lineup
>they then refined then further refined it for Nehalem
>which was turned into Sandy Bridge
>which is still in use
>yfw you are basically using a refined version of the P3
Intel tried a new architecture with P4
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You have anymore mind blowing revelations for us OP?
I heard a rumor that water was wet?
That's basically not true. Every new Intel CPU requires a new socket.
Not op but shut up
I found op's post insightful
heh
I've heard that rain falls from the sky when it's cloudy.
You have to be over 18 to post on Sup Forums.
It's funny cause I always see posts like
>Intel has the technology for 10 generations ahead they're just saving it
when in fact they haven't made a new architecture in over 15 years
>That's basically not true. Every new Intel CPU requires a new socket.
The goyim are on to us. Shut it down!
>this is what intelcucks believe
POST YFW WE'RE ALL USING REHASHED 8085 FROM THE 70S
BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY
8085 and 8086 are different desu senpai
What are you talking about?
Wait a minute...
>not solely requiring one's'elfe computational needs to be done within the spatial and temporal dimensions of an 8087
Someone compared the die shots to the P3 one. Every Intel core since Conroe is just a bunch of P3 cores upscaled and glued together.
Are you dense?
>tejas was going to be 50+ stages
>they were targeting speeds of 5-7ghz
why did they think it would work
I was looking for actual die shots but this is much better.
oy vey
MAEK MORE GIGAHERTZ
>stages of denial
>history repeats itself
Well, what do you expect them to do honestly?
There haven't been many new breakthroughs in CPU development other than >ADD MOAR CACHES and >MAKE MOAR WIDER! for decades.
Alright, found it. From here: prohardver.hu
At this point Core is the Theseus' ship of microarchitectures. Most things have been redesigned to point where Skylake doesn't look anything like P6/Pentuim Pro at all.
Am I making judgments?
>tfw Sup Forums didn't exist for the P4 launch
>tfw you will never shitpost with your AMD bros from your Athlon 64s
You can always wait for 7nm Zen.
It was supposed to be more of a general statement, not against you in particular.
>a P4 overclocked to 5ghz stil couldn't outperform a 2.6ghz Athlon 64
Are you retarded? 3ghz P4 was pretty much on par with 3000+ Athlon 64.
>they went back to the P3 architecture and rehashed it for the Core lineup
>they then refined then further refined it for Nehalem
>which was turned into Sandy Bridge
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, go back to Sup Forums, gaymer child. And stop using the word "rehashed".
That's completely wrong bro.
Skylake has as much in common with Pentium 3 as the Pentium 3 as much as common with the original 386.
Conroe took the best elements of netburst and P6 and made something far superior to the either one.
The Athlon was running at stock, which was 2.6ghz
>intel still astroturfing more than 15 years later
Pentium 4 ran slower than a Pentium III of the same clock speed.
>core series is a p6
>quark, atom, and xeon phi are p5s
Are these the most future proof archs of all times?
Doesn't seem like it, since Intel has spent the past five years refining performance per watt and AMD just skullfucked them on that front.
But muh gayms.
Core series have almost nothing in common with the P6s though (other then being ISA x86)
The closest is Yohan a.k.a Core 1 but even then it is was incorporating some elements from Netburst.
What truly ruined P4 is that Intel kept pushing it to be a speed demon on a shitty node. At least AMD's Faildozer improved over time.
Alpha CPUs were better than everything Intel has ever done.
>boost frequency by 20%
>performance increases by 5%
Hyper-bibeline in action.
is pentium 4 like the fastest running back in the world, but with missing thumbs and forefingers?
False
Sandy Bridge is a new architecture
It has nothing in common with P3 that can't do HyperThreading
OP is an uneducated, ignorant lying faggot and it really shows
You mean Nehalem?
>Alpha CPUs were better than everything Intel has ever done.
The patents covering them should be expiring soon
Why doesn't someone do a new alpha cpu?
They patched 4 way hyperthreading on a p54c core to use in Knights landing...
well nobodys gonna make breakthroughs if they arent trying
It is rumored that this Chinese supercomputer is a spin of the Alpha µarch:
but nobody else seems to care (probably because we have RISC-V now, and also because of the Shintel-Microshaft stronghold on software).
Why waste money making a new architecture when you have no competition?
What about something to beat ARM?
They're trying (again): eetimes.com
>yfw you are basically using a refined version of the 8086
Whoa........... REALLY makes you thing..............................................
Are intel atom CPUs/SoCs a completely new arch?
>Can't tell the difference between uarch and instruction set
Leave.
See
...
>recent atom SoCs
>p5
Can I get a source for that?
> Yfw you realize your CPU is just a bunch of transistors and is basically just a refined opamp
Now that you asked, I couldn't find any P5 based Atoms, only P6.
>tfw the die layout has hardly changed since Nehalem
A socket change a year keeps the goyim in fear.
So Intel uses a refined P3 but they can beat any AMD CPU including Zen easily?
AMD BTFO
Is he holding a dick to his chin?
I thought the Core was a clean room architecture from the Israeli team.
The PIII got a refresh with the Tualitin, but was quickly phased out for making the P4 look bad.
The P4 in general was just a massive piece of shit with its longcat length pipeline, lousy branch prediction, and brickwall scaling.
From what I remember reading, the Core was built from the group up for mobile and power management instead of being a desktop part with modifications.
I used to. I only got rid of my Athlon 64 3200 in 2012.
Nehalem incorporates features from both P3 and P4 arch. Also HT was only seen before on Netburst.
From haswell onwards things remain pretty much the same, so why intel keep shrinking the dies? They are doing it sorely for watt performance.
>HT was only seen before on Netburst.
Yeah, but you needed to run special software from Intel just to activate it, and even then you needed software actually compiled to use it. The intelfag at Westwood, and a couple of random easter yuro devs at the time used it, but that was it.
From what I understand, the modern Core architectures actually do have pretty long pipelines, but the branch prediction is absolutely amazing. Not sure if I remember correctly, but a good deal of HT has been moved to the process scheduler.
Pentium Pro -> Pentium 2 -> Pentium 3 -> Pentium M -> Core -> Core 2
I think Nehalem an onward is technically a different micro-arch.
lol no.
PIII Tualatin -> Pentium M -> Core Duo -> Core2
>intel is so incompetent they had to hire a no-name chink company to design a not shit mobile SoC
Please just let them fire that dumbshit fucking CEO already so the company can hopefully be completely rebuilt Lisa Su style. I feel like at this point intel is really holding things back and no company could ever hope to really replace them.
He's sinking the company into chaos: forums.anandtech.com
>changing how the pins are laid out = brand new cpu
lol they do that to force you to upgrade your motherboard every time a new CPU comes out
DELET
Yes. The Pentium 3 was God tier.
Is he fucking retarded? No way Intel can have CEO this bad.
>They state the sources on all of this were off-the record interviews with both current and ex-employees.
tl;dr made this shit up for more ad revenue
No, Intel isn't in bad enough shape to justify tearing everything down and effectively keeping them out of the market for a few years while they restructure. If any company deserves to rise form the ashes, it's VIA.
>mfw i have two P3 tualatin 1.4GHz cpus
They're not worth using now but my god they were good processors.
No one in their right mind would disclose anything about Intel with their names attached to it, so there's that.
>If any company deserves to rise form the ashes, it's VIA.
They've never released any good products.
A company worthy of rising from the rashes is 3dfx.
DELET DIS
Which would just make it even better if they released an x86 lineup that crushed AMD and Intel.
>3dfx
Is there even anything left of them?
It won't matter once quantum CPUs go mainstream.
They are worth using if you don't like the Management Engine.
...
it's almost like having a competitive healthy market is good for technological progress
>try harder!
>jus b urself
VIA was absolute garbage both in CPUs and chipsets. I'd like to see MIPS, PA-RISC, SPARC and all those back. At least POWER and ARM are still a thing
>You have anymore mind blowing revelations for us OP?
There is no such thing as cold, just a lack of energy ;^)
>PA-RISC
Please no. The rest is alright though.
A 3000+ cpu from AMD runs at around 1.8ghz, that's why they used the whole 3000+, 3200+ thing in the first place
INTEL BANKRUPT AND FINISHED
On a side note, Intel and HP are resurrecting Itanic
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>MIPS
decent
>PA-RISC/SPARC
shit tier
Where's DEC Alpha?
>Intel and HP are resurrecting Itanic
No, they are putting it out to pasture. Purely a maintenance launch
Ah, the lifeboat part. Is there enough for everyone?
>muh Itanium memes.
DEC is covered under "all those". I remember reading the 21264 ads and wanting one so bad. Some shit about 600MHz and having a GFLOP supercomputer in your desktop. But architecturally, Alpha is shit tier too. Diverse architectures are comfy.
Not the EV8 though. Unfortunately, DEC went under before they could release it.
Alpha was a very clean design
>Not the EV8 though.
Maybe. A lot of things look good on paper that end up being rubbish.
Interesting to note that with the collapse of DEC and its aftermath, a ton of Alpha design talent really did make its mark on the industry.
>AMD
>Apple/PA-Semi
>Intel
i know ive heard this a million times but it just keeps getting funnier