What is the prevailing political mindset in your country? Is it conservative or liberal?
Also, post pictures of political arguments you've encountered or made online; no shame in posting your own stuff. Pic related is me losing friends on Facebook.
>These United States of America, united under the name of Columbia, standing together, only to fall if divided >liberal ideologies are all that are allowed unless you're a racist sexist homophobic xenophobic nazi bigot
I think our country is becoming more conservative as a reaction to the radical left. I think we might even elect Trump.
Camden Garcia
>losing friends over a political catfight in which both sides are unjustifiably cocksure You people are mentally ill.
Matthew Thompson
>2016 >Facebook
huh
Robert Watson
Shut up cucknadian, nobody likes you.
Grayson Watson
>Pic related is me losing friends on Facebook.
Fuck them if they would stop being friends with you over that.
Jose Peterson
This.
Politics is cancer. Stop discussing it idiots. Focus on shit that matters
Carson Sanders
Rightwing conservative dummies have been ruling Israel for the last 30 years, which is why it's going down the shitter. It is not a fucking coincidence that literally every glorious thing we've ever done was in the early days under socialist rule.
Josiah Evans
It sure is easy to stick your head in the sand and let things play out. if you do that, though, I hope you don't complain about whatever ills befall your society because you could've stopped them but have chosen not to even try. It is one thing to try and fail. There is nobility in that. But to give up before even starting? That is truly, truly pathetic.
Liam Ortiz
Conservative and a little fascist.
Jonathan Kelly
At least I'm not missing part of my dick
Hudson Jackson
>just letting people go about with hazardous viewpoints >not taking a few moments to try to prove them wrong, hopefully letting them go spread good ideologies >the world runs on politics >don't worry about how the world runs! Let big brother handle it >worry about more important things than how our lives are run Exacly. That's not how it works. Conservative = less policy, less governmental control, more personal freedom, less governmental influence Fascism is a liberal ideology. Of course
Grayson Gutierrez
>It sure is easy to stick your head in the sand and let things play out
Nothing ever changes, you can't control politics. All the shit posting on Sup Forums, Sup Forums and facebook won't change a thing.
>I hope you don't complain about whatever ills befall your society because you could've stopped them but have chosen not to even try. It is one thing to try and fail. There is nobility in that. But to give up before even starting? That is truly, truly pathetic.
What do you think makes you influence the outcome of politics?
It's irrelevant, focus on shit that matters.
Jack Moore
Pro-tip: unfriending someone on Zuckbook isn't going to change their mind. Screaming at them or calling them an idiot for not seeing something as "obviously" true is not going to change their mind. They'll continue to vote against your wishes and you'll have one fewer friend. So for the sake of your own well being, try to keep your political autism in check.
Alexander Gonzalez
btw, re: the image in the OP: You fundamentally misunderstand how people function. We don't look at everything which is wrong in the world then set out to correct those things one by one from most to least severe. If we did almost all effort would be dedicated to helping third-world countries while Westerners get zilch. No, we are interested in whatever problem troubles *us* or those we personally care about. I agree that there are a ton of existential threats to humanity that we need to handle as a species before it is too late but in the end this sort of focus on small local issues is the status quo. It is not specific to the bathroom debacle. It is what constantly happens.
Logan Morales
>>the world runs on politics
You are likely not only insufficiently educated to give any sort of commentary on politics(as 99% of people are) but your medium of it is most ineffective.
>>don't worry about how the world runs! Let big brother handle it
What does this shit fix? Good job AT BEST you've convinced >worry about more important things than how our lives are run
>He thinks he can influence them
Matthew Moore
reporting you for antisemitism, you fucking niggers
Colton Reed
Maybe not on echo chambers like Sup Forums and Sup Forums, but a lot of people use Facebook. All it takes is one logical person who decides they want to grow up to be a politician to see it and be positively influenced by an idea they deem sensible to then go and advocate those ideas. Silence is consent, you fool.
Kevin Peterson
Haha, you can't report me because I'm not bound by your puny Canadian laws.
Adam Sanchez
>All it takes is one logical person who decides they want to grow up to be a politician to see it and be positively influenced by an idea they deem sensible to then go and advocate those ideas
Not really.
Think about how hard it is to convince someone of something who *WANTS* to learn? Now imagine how hard it is to change someone's opinion who has an opposite opinion and did not ask for your commentary.
you're not going to change shit, you're going to get people to argue, you're going to get people to fight, call you names and then delete eachother.
Cooper Kelly
>we
Connor Perry
First off, see Second, they weren't your friends to begin with if they're going to block you, and they're beyond help anyways if so. There do exist people open to debate. I should know. I was borderline liberal for a few years before I finally hit an age above 15 and slowly started to shift back towards conservative.
Blake Allen
I'm an American who lives in America. I have never even been to Canada, Sup Forums is just being retarded. I think it's the interns in this house or something.
Ayden Perez
>Second, they weren't your friends to begin with if they're going to block you, and they're beyond help anyways if so. >There do exist people open to debate. >I should know. I was borderline liberal for a few years before I finally hit an age above 15 and slowly started to shift back towards conservative.
People are for the most part too dumb to actually debate rationally though.
Both sides tend to have tons of logical fallacies and circular logic.
Unless you have a degrees and a background in Political Science, Philosophy and Economics I wouldn't even touch politics. It's just a useless waste of time.
Jaxson Harris
I'm not exaggerating but I have like 5 threads open and in every thread a Canadian is arguing with a bunch of posters. Why are we doing this lads?
Eli Watson
>I'm not exaggerating but I have like 5 threads open and in every thread a Canadian is arguing with a bunch of posters. Why are we doing this lads?
It's just how we are.
I'm going to stop posting on Sup Forums starting tonight, i h8 this life
Nathaniel Allen
Again, you don't know how it works. Be civil and reasonable people don't get mad. People that get mad about differing viewpoints aren't your friends anyways. That's not political autism. It's called "discussion" and is a large part of human interaction. You can't discuss in-depth on a subject about which all parties already agree on all parts. Anybody that doesn't want to hear your opinion doesn't care about you as a friend anyways and is better off without you. Unless you're a dick about it. But were they being dicks about it first? If they were, again - not friend material. And why do you care what intolerant people think of you anyways? Say what you want to say and be done with it.
Ian Kelly
I'm not missing part of my dick either, comrade. I was worn in Soviet Russia.
>Conservative = less policy, less governmental control, more personal freedom, less governmental influence That's libertarianism. Conservatism is about preserving traditional values and that's pretty much that. Fascist governments bear a similarity to totalitarian communist regimes but tend to be nationalist. Note how fascism is diametrically opposed to liberal ideals such as pluralism.
>Nothing ever changes, you can't control politics. Open a fucking history book. Look at the West. Over the last hundred years women got the right to vote, racial minorities got equal status under the law, atheists can testify in court and run for office, homosexuals are being given equal rights across the West in these very days, and the rights of governments to police the speech of their citizens are generally growing weaker.
>All the shit posting on Sup Forums, Sup Forums and facebook won't change a thing. Excellent. Those little fascists shouldn't have any influence.
>What do you think makes you influence the outcome of politics? In a democratic society just voting and convincing a couple of other people to vote as you do is enough to, in the aggregate, shit policy.
That's not the only way to try and persuade people.
Landon Cruz
Because this board wouldn't have any character without our contrarianism
Austin Walker
Liberal, and its sad because im conservative. And worst thing is that almost every media and newspaper is leftist. They actually have branded "democracy" as synonym of "liberalism". If something is not liberal, its not "democratic".
People in finland are quiet and there is never riots or anything, but i predict that we get enough in 15 years, as all jobs are moved away or polacks and eesti guys come do them like 1/2 cheaper. Then state is soon making "local contracts" possible, which means in fact that soon owners of companies can dictate the wages and working hours, and labour organizations have no power at all. At the time and next months and years we are going decades back in time.
Xavier Green
> just now hmm, seems like OP posted that last comment
yuck
William Bailey
>Open a fucking history book. Look at the West. Over the last hundred years women got the right to vote, racial minorities got equal status under the law, atheists can testify in court and run for office, homosexuals are being given equal rights across the West in these very days, and the rights of governments to police the speech of their citizens are generally growing weaker.
It happened because it was suppose to happen, it would've happened either way regardless of your FB posts or your tweets.
>In a democratic society just voting and convincing a couple of other people to vote as you do is enough to, in the aggregate, shit policy.
It's a little impossible to do that. There's so many people constantly getting swayed by random shit
My point is what's going to directly influence your life? - Money, friends, lots of sex, hobbies, being healthy.
Focus on that instead of concerning yourself with BS. Otherwise you'll be left 10 years into the future with all these shitty "movements" and all this "political work" that amounted to nothing and you'll still be the same you were before.
Mason Jackson
>Literally every glorious thing we've ever done was in the early days under socialist rule. >Being this retarded
Landon Allen
Ehh. Point out the logical flaws. If they're too dumb to see past it but not too dumb to be civil, then you can always just agree to disagree. At the very least, you're softening them up to the idea. Stage one of the grief cycle is denial, after all. And again -- if I can change the mind of just one person, then I will try my damn hardest. You said most, not all. And that holds true. I like to try to reach that small percentage. Anyways, I'm going for a degree in political science, but I disagree with those sentiments. If those weren't the only people qualified to vote, then we wouldn't have open elections. Though on second thought, the entire world's going down the toilet, so maybe you're right. Jokes aside, a school won't teach those that can't think. Politics is about IQ, not knowledge. Knowledge only helps, but in the end, uneducated farmers that happened to be geniuses have made it much farther than educated fools that happened to inherit a throne. Don't stop him. We're actually having serious discussions.
Evan Flores
Not every democracy has to be liberal but a liberal democracy, where pluralism and freedom of speech are valued, and a true democracy, where the tyranny of the majority is treated as the legitimate will of the people, are two different things.
James Richardson
I did. What'cha gonna do bout it, punk?
Cooper Martin
Liberals are too stupid to stop that. So basically in 5 years there are hundreds of thousans of de-facto slaves here. Politics in finland is a sick mixture of extreme capitalism and liberal asses. Unholy alliance, and not to even mention european union, which steals our money and gives customs-free markets, which means that our own production is going down as cheaper produts come from central and western european big countries. Lesser own production -> more unemployed people -> state pays their living -> everyone is having less money.
>Ehh. Point out the logical flaws. If they're too dumb to see past it but not too dumb to be civil, then you can always just agree to disagree. >At the very least, you're softening them up to the idea. Stage one of the grief cycle is denial, after all. And again -- if I can change the mind of just one person, then I will try my damn hardest.
My point is neither of the participants is smart enough.
It is very very very hard to suggest social and monetary policies and how things SHOULD run without being an expert in those three fields.
if you don't have a background in philosophy you can't really reason well enough to convince anyone of anything.
If you don't have a background in economics your opinion on Fiscal policy is downright useless and even harmful.
Same with political science. It's just a waste man, fuck politics get money
Jack Martinez
>It happened because it was suppose to happen, it would've happened either way regardless of your FB posts or your tweets. Nothing is "supposed" to happen. It happened because countless activists fought for it over decades. It is true that internet activism is mostly worthless - or only as worthwhile as a conversation, anyhow, but activism is more than just that.
>It's a little impossible to do that. There's so many people constantly getting swayed by random shit Yet the end result is dictated by millions of such small occurrences. You cannot win a war by yourself, this is true, but you can fight in it as a soldier. A tiny, insignificant gnat in the swarm which together makes the difference.
>My point is what's going to directly influence your life? - Money, friends, lots of sex, hobbies, being healthy. My country is stuck in a perpetual war against an enemy it has no plan on defeating. The government is only interested in maintaining the static status quo in this area. The rights of individuals are slowly being eroded. I absolutely am affected by politics.
I don't know shit about what's happening in Canada but I'm willing to bet there are plenty of people, such as the natives, who absolutely have a major stake in politics.
m8 every major war we take pride in winning happened under Mapai. The rapid development of Israel happened under the early socialist rule. The resurrection of the Hebrew language and the melting pot ideology were directly socialist policies put in place by, you guessed it, the early socialists.
Ayden Myers
Everyone above the age of 20 has their mouths full of the government's jizz Everyone below the age of 20 your typical tumblrtard Get me out of here
Bentley Price
>your *is your
Jaxson Allen
I hate how backwards our definitions are to the rest of the world's are. Any professor can correctly describe them, but I'm so used to the colloquial meanings that I forget their true definitions at times. Fugg D D D: Not at all. They happened because of a vocal minority that refused to step down and allow itself to be harassed. Facebook is just the start. The fire rises, brother. But Facebook's a good platform for communicating with people of all creeds and colors, so it's a good start, too. >if you don't have a background in philosophy you can't really reason Then who created the content for the first philosophy books and lectures? Someone had to be capable enough at reasoning to generate that content. While I still disagree with you about economics, too, I will say that that is one that actually helps people that are in politics, but not really for those that are simply voting. If only Bernie had taken a few of those classes. But that only helps the people creating policy, not the people arguing policy. If they're too dumb to understand politics, they're too dumb to take their economic knowledge and apply it to their favorite celebrity on the ballots. So we'll just agree to disagree, I think? :^)
David Lewis
>Then who created the content for the first philosophy books and lectures? >Someone had to be capable enough at reasoning to generate that content. >While I still disagree with you about economics, too, I will say that that is one that actually helps people that are in politics, but not really for those that are simply voting
You know what I mean. I'm not saying you literally need a piece of paper in those fields but you need a background and understanding of it.
if you haven't studied basic economic theory, political theory and philosophy you have NO RIGHT to be voting. Your views(regardless of what they are) are only a detriment to the greater good of society and democracy is flawed because of this.
That's why I think it's dumb(politics as a whole), unless the general population suddenly finished undergrad in at least one of those fields it will remain pointless
That's kind of why I'm surprised people with doctorates in Economics and such don't kill everyone around them, must be frustrating as fuck seeing everyone around you be uneducated and yet have the same value in the voting booth as you do
Hudson Sullivan
To be fair there are certain policies which are so heavily associated with conservative movements, such as minimalizing economic regulations, that it is very reasonable to call them conservative. These definitions ultimately describe groups of people and groups of people are often ambiguous, shifty things. Definitions are not set in stone.
Tyler Morales
I guess it depends if you're using "conservative" as a word or as a label. As a word, it's set in stone. But labels are liable to shift.
Wyatt Lopez
bump
Andrew Cox
>That's not how it works It's exactly how it works anywhere but in the US.
>prevailing A weird union of post-modern right wing populists and New Right movements.
>opposing A weird union of centrists and compromised leftists - pro-EU and pro-democratic but totally lacking an ideological binder and an actual ability to read the public sentiment. They're appealing to the people in their 30-50s - people who were born too early to develop a thing for non-conformity.
Kevin Hernandez
5 years ago left-center. Nowadays it's probably center or right-center.
Elijah Ortiz
I find it hard to believe that any country in Europe has shifted to the right. Even with the large amount of right-leaning muslims replacing your native population
Brody Roberts
>caring about democracy >caring about different scummy politicians so much, that you can destroy friendships for that
Fucking tribals. Most people here really don't care and whine about all politicians equally.
Caleb Hughes
bump from death
Dominic Nguyen
OP isn't wrong though. Also OP I lost friends too. One was a cool black guy who went from ''fucking niggers I share a race with these guys'' to #BLM!
A friend who was a moderate went full Liberalcuck (WHITE MAN WAS THEW CAUSE FOR ALL BLACK PEOPLES PROBLEMS)