>ask for help on programming assignment
>get smug response from classmate "you don't know how to do that? Geez how did you even make it this far?!"
Are software devs this pretentious in the industry? Is asking for help looked down upon in programming?
I've worked a few years in several large companies and have hardly run into pretentious people. From my experience people are happy to help.
did the cunt at least help you
Unfortunately when you're around "smart people" for long enough you'll eventually come to learn that most of your peers are massively insecure about their own intelligence (because their entire concept of status derives from worshipping intellect)
this is especially true in high school, university, and academia, and in left wing circles where appearing smart / gifted is obviously encouraged by the system to an unnatural degree
user, everyone around you is full of shit. life advice, user, the truly intelligent people either pretend to be dumb or will be too busy working on amazing personal endeavours to talk to anyone outside of a narrow field of specialists
but yeah, the industry is slightly better
> weed pic
You might be the problem here
it depends on a lot of factors.. company culture, team makeup, your boss, etc.
tl;dr it depends
This, basically.
Nope
I figured it out though
>Is asking for help looked down upon in programming?
Asking stupid questions is looked down upon in any industry and in any major worth a damn.
Especially in college. Most students are too lazy look anything up in the text or online.
Hopefully you find some solace on this anime imageboard. There is always some thread complaining about 'pajeets' or 'women'. Post in one of those, that might make you feel better.
/smug
/pretentious
/ostentatious
It was a question with regard to a homework assignment. The issue got solved but no resources could help.
Not sure what you're trying to say/imply though? You might be autistic, you have my pity.
Quentin, you should understand how hash tables work. It's just not that hard.
>You might be autistic
Someone called you out for asking a stupid question on an "intro to programming" assignment. That is according to you. And you were so bothered about it, you posted your /r9k/ experience here.
I accept my autism. Do you accept your laziness? I'm assuming you are lazy and not stupid.
okay kid it's almost bedtime
I have one of those in my classes and it pisses me off to no end
>Is asking for help looked down upon in programming?
why would stackexchange exist then ;)
Did a baby shit on your text book?
>Is asking for help looked down upon in programming?
Somewhat. You should generally be competent enough to solve your own problems, or at the very least piece together the information you need from other sources. That said, you should consider the fact that you are in an academic setting. The purpose of the assignment is for you to learn how to figure out on your own how to solve it using what you have learned from paying attention to the class lectures and taking notes every day. Students are wise not to provide too much help towards homework problems, otherwise it might remove the challenge element of the assignment, and possibly be considered academic dishonesty. It's one thing to ask for help with a subject that was covered in the lectures, it's another to ask someone to make you have less work to do on the assignment by sharing some of what they've learned with you. My professors have often told my classmates and I that on programming assignments, it's fine to share some high level concepts, but that we shouldn't share code. This can get blurry though, so my personal policy has generally been to do all of the homework at home and not talk about it too much with other students.
Depends on what you mean by help. I'm glad to point people in the right direction, and help them learn, but I won't show others my code.
Maybe if you weren't a braindead stoner, you wouldn't need the help in the first place.
This.
trips for truth, you don't know how much weed affects STEM ability until like 3 months after you stop.
I'm proud that I can do calculus at all because of how bad high me was in HS.
t. ex stoner now employed in industry
who knows what topic you are even talking about.
im going to assume you use windows and the person you asked is on mac
just a wild guess
>get smug response from classmate "you don't know how to do that? Geez how did you even make it this far?!"
>Are software devs this pretentious in the industry?
Yeah. Unless it's something somewhat trivial, it's generally just shit-talking for fun.
Today, a dev was laughing at interns for having shitty laptops and not a cool gaming laptop like him. He said that he has a gaming laptop so he can be cool and socialize. I told him that that's what a living room is for. Interns laughed at him. It was a good time.
>because of how bad high me was in HS.
Are you sure you're not just the spawn of an incestuous relationship?
literally kek
weed makes you feel stupid, you actually are just better able to preceive how stupid you are. It slightly makes you stupid too but only slightly, and temporarily, it goes away as soon as you stop
Don't go to class, straight A's past two years, smoke weed every day. Nice n = 1 hypothesis, brainlet.
>brainlet
I want /sci/ to go.
You start this paragraph with rhetoric and eventually make it to potentially valuable anecdote, so I read something very strongly reminiscent of dogmatic babble that tutors dish out to pad lecture time. That shit's dangerous for the unwise, especially to those who need to ask questions as they might have not all of their shit and perspective in a stable place yet. "Should, purpose, might, consider, for, thing" these phrases don't have much real value to engineers and learning, itself is a mechanical phenomenon. These phrases lead to distracted, social snobbery and bigotry anyway. Realistic engineers optimise them out of their vernacular.
You should consider ( ;) ) that the ideals of those institutions which are a confusing mix of ego and career driven academia/research/industry/education misfits.
Sounds like you have a pretty good attitude for your own education but don't under-estimate how much you can pick up from other through seemingly hardly-stimulating exposure.
I think that further into your education, code will be fine to discuss and strategies/algorithms/justifications will be the subject to plagiarism concern.
I didn't actually achieve what I wanted to say about your advise being dicey. But I hope I strung together the picture.
Hey, why do you call yourself sempai when you yourself are a student (undergraduate?)? Anyway, real pride is in being a learner and sharer, not teacher. Just incase you had some affinity for the phrase sempai. I assume that you're good and even helpful when the topic is Ruby.
>tfw so far above people no one knows how to help
>tfw professors and other doctoral people don't even know what the fuck I'm up to.
>You start this paragraph with rhetoric and eventually make it to potentially valuable anecdote, so I read something very strongly reminiscent of dogmatic babble that tutors dish out to pad lecture time. That shit's dangerous for the unwise, especially to those who need to ask questions as they might have not all of their shit and perspective in a stable place yet.
The purpose of my post was to explain why it is that many of user's fellow classmates may be unwilling to help, and what is expected of them as a programmer.
> "Should, purpose, might, consider, for, thing" these phrases don't have much real value to engineers and learning, itself is a mechanical phenomenon. These phrases lead to distracted, social snobbery and bigotry anyway. Realistic engineers optimise them out of their vernacular.
You should explain your reasoning for your argument.
>Hey, why do you call yourself sempai when you yourself are a student (undergraduate?)?
Student, yes. Undergraduate, no. I am currently working on my master's degree. I call myself sempai because I've had a few beginners looking up to me in the daily programming threads, and some were calling me sempai. I figured I'd just add it into my tripcode. In any case, sempai doesn't mean teacher, it just means you're someone's senior, so it's fine for a student to use it.
I'll try to get back to you.
damn aspergers sounds really amazing man
That's why I slowly began dropping advanced classes in high school alltogether. Most of the people in higher level academia are simply "worker-bee" type people that are easily led by authority figures. The most sad part about it is that they will never leave academia. They will never progress from where they are in life, because they refuse to break from the mold. They sit in on one continuous path their entire lives without realizing it goes nowhere. They end up with some low-paying drone job and die in it.
>Is asking for help looked down upon in programming?
Just hop on IRC and claim that the programming language is shit and that it can't do what you want. You'll get lots of very complete responses.
This.
I essentially did this to someone who asked how to read values out of an array by looping through it. I'm a Junior. You might as well ask someone how to factor when you're in Calculus.
Well written user. I took a screenshot.
Damn dude. Well put.
Did as well.
Matthew? It's your turn in fbchess my man.
truth
everyday
I don't mind helping my co workers with a fast answer/reply about how an in-house tool works. I also don't mind a quick chat about how what I think the best approach would be to refactor/upgrade an old part of the code base.
But I do mind these things when I'm in the middle of something. These topics are good for lunch break and at the start/end of the day.
dude is a cockbag but in the workplace your colleagues will get the shits if you don't try to find information out for yourself first.
and seriously, the best skill a programmer (or anyone in a technical role) can have is the ability to find the information they need efficiently.
Learn how to learn and the rest will follow.
t. person never trained in comp sci that works with 2 comp sci phds
>the truly intelligent people either pretend to be dumb or will be too busy working on amazing personal endeavours to talk to anyone outside of a narrow field of specialists
yeah nah. That *can* be the case but is far from always the case.
>I took a screenshot.
How do you do that?
>waaaah hold my hand!
>I need spoonfed everything
>I might have to look at a man page or actually open the text book and that is scary!
obv still in high school
Most really smart people I know are shiftless losers because they are content to live fairly simple lives.
Not everyone is out there being a go getter user.
instala el gentoo
Never understood this attitude. I always loved helping out my peers because it gave me a sense of superiority that you don't get by mere smugness alone.
This so much, i studied in all boys high school and just recently got into university, and damn people care about their appearance they even refuse to talk to you if you have a bad rep or have old fashioned beliefs probably because our dept have one of the highest concentration of women, hell a guy who watches and anime and deliberately bring up how he watches anime in japanese and portray it like that hes doing something amazing, i was fucking alienated, or maybe i am an autist
You answered your own question? Gee whiz dude
Any developer who thinks he's great is almost invariably trash and just hasn't been called to task yet. You may not understand something but at least you aren't suffering from Dunning–Kruger.
The know-it-alls quickly get put in their place once rubber meets the road.
That said, you're probably just starting out and will have to suffer through "high school smart/tough guys" for a while.
t. user from his mom's basement
screencapped this post, good advice
Command+Shift+4 and then draw a box around the post
10/10 quality post
kek
People who do that are insecure assholes. Most teachers, in my colleague at least, prefer if the students have questions and need help. It shows that they are engaging in the class and learning something.
Plus, if that asshole know the subject already, why the fuck is he taking the class the same class as you ?
Asking for help when you've exhausted your options is encouraged.
If you ask for help and haven't done your due diligence, then yeah, you're probably going to get trashed. Nobody wants to waste their time doing your job for you if it doesn't look like you put in the effort.
Even then though, you'll probably get a few freebies before people realize you're an incompetent fuckwit who doesn't care about wasting their time (if that is the case). It really depends on your attitude how people are going to react to your questions.
And then yeah, there are some smug assholes, but they're probably not as common as they are in school.
>If you ask for help and haven't done your due diligence, then yeah, you're probably going to get trashed. Nobody wants to waste their time doing your job for you if it doesn't look like you put in the effort.
This is cancer though
>submit detailed bug report
>clearly state that bug is not duplicate of other similar bug for reasons x and y, describe testing methodology etc
>gets brigaded and marked by retards as duplicate
Software people are toxic as fuck. They expect that you simply didn't do anything yourself and they make a bunch of dumb assumptions and they're all too stupid to into critical thinking and deductive reasoning, and then after all of that shit they condescend to each other. It's like when some innocuous discussion of something like RAID comes up and some IT Pro faggot posts LOL RAID ISN'T BACKUP for the millionth time
cancer cancer cancer cancer cancer cancer
>software devs
programmers
t. brainlet
As long as you can say you've RTFM and scoured google to no avail, asking questions is all good!
You see, all the problems in software development are split into two categories:
1) those that you can figure out yourself - you get some kind of working solution and may ask others to review your solution
2) those that you can not figure out yourself - you discover a bug in existing code or a technology drawback and may post a bug report before thinking of workaround
you don't just fukken casually ask other to solve your problem
if you want to do so just go become a manager or something
>and portray it like that hes doing something amazing, i was fucking alienated, or maybe i am an autist
He has low self esteem and trying to validate himself by appearing cultured.
It's the same with any art. Teachers are paid to support you, they don't give a shit about where you go in life. Classmates, otoh, are competition.
Translators have got the same shit.
This
>shit quality weed
doomb muricon
it was trivial, wasn't it
no, that guy is an asshole
>Are software devs this pretentious in the industry?
Not at all.
We always help each other.
But you're probably a retard who doesn't even know the most basic things - we don't take kindly to that.
Actually I showed a professor at my uni. The method returns void yet sorts a String array. They couldn't tell me why it works since Java is pass by value. The string array is declared only in the main method not as an instance variable.
>Are software devs this pretentious
Yes, we all are, but I might be the most pretentious one of them all.
It's like you're new here.
this is actually extremely sound life advice from Sup Forums
This
GARBAGE GREEN bro!!
"Atleast it's in the higher class and not REGGIE"
I became *that* guy.
At first when people asked me questions about something they didn't understand, I thought they did it out of pure interest in what they're studying, and I was happy to help them. I mean, I got to talk to people with whom I shared some kind of interest.
But then when they asked me the same thing for the 4th time, thinking every time their problem was any different than the others, I finally understood. They don't learn. They simply don't care. When the exam is done, they forget everything you've told them. If they cared, they wouldn't have such stupid problems. I'm an average person and I don't have the problem they're having. It's either because they're all dumber than the average person, or I'm a genius, or they simply have no interest in what they're doing. I'll take the latter. They're just interested in getting passing grades so that they can get their worthless piece of paper and get rejected at the door of the workplace of their dreams. They got into CS because they want to "just liek maek gaymes" or straight out had no idea what to do with their lives.
Now, if someone ever asks me about something trivial, I'll either answer "this was covered in the lesson" or "You'll easily figure that one out".
>get smug response from classmate "you don't know how to do that? Geez how did you even make it this far?!"
>tfw constantly get the urge to say this to brainlet fags in uni who can't grasp basic shit but don't to not look like an asshole
Primitive datatypes are passed by value in java. The rest are passed by reference.
A String is not a primitive datatype.
>Primitive datatypes are passed by value in java. The rest are passed by reference.
That's not what pass-by-reference means retard.
public static void myMethod(Boolean myBool)
{
myBool = false;
}
...
Boolean myBool = true;
myMethod(myBool);
System.out.println(myBool ? "value" : "reference");
This code prints value
You're a stupid codemonkey aren't you?
And your professors are shit too it seems.
That's trivial shit.
That guy was right, he should have been even smugger.
capped
ur a dumbass lol
>guy in my lectures
>always shouts out an answer or just interrupts the lecturer
>not always right anyway
>always looks and sounds so smug while doing it
>everyone is sick of him and rolls their eyes when he does it
>lecturers even told him to shut up a few times
>fails 2nd year
You pretty much proved my point
Thanks
>Now, if someone ever asks me about something trivial, I'll either answer "this was covered in the lesson" or "You'll easily figure that one out".
t. social reject
Just say you don't know if you don't want to help them, 'tism
>Failing to understand the difference between passing pointer values and references to variables
How does it feel to be more retarded than a pajeet?
That's just him being a weeb user, you should know that by now and realize that you are automatically better than him tenfold by the fact that you're not (at least a blatant) one.
>Just say you don't know
Why would I lie?
don't try to help him
Boolean is not primitive
That's exactly the point.
If Java were pass-by-reference, myMethod would have the side-effect of setting myBool to point to false.
Is this bait?
Can you tell an example?
DUDE
you sound like one of those morons that got spoonfed all the required courses and retained none of the knowledge or you just don't know what you are doing.
...and after reading the rest of your replies in this thread, yep I was dead on.
have fun failing out of your meme degree.
and Jesus Christ get a new plug, why the fuck are you smoking those mids?
WEED
LMAO
Boolean is a primitive datatype in Java. Look it up.
Full list of java primitive datatypes:
-bool
-byte
-char
-int
-long
-float
-double
Values of class types are references. For example: Strings are references to an instance of the class String.
Hence your example with the Boolean, not being changed by the method, is because boolean is a primitive datatype. If you tried doing the same test with a String it would in fact, change.
>I don't know what a boxed primitive is
Go back to college.
This. I would be like "seriously dude, you should know that by now" i still help them doesnt mean i cant poke at them