Between CIA niggers, mandatory key disclosure laws and no net neutrality, Burgerland is lost...

Between CIA niggers, mandatory key disclosure laws and no net neutrality, Burgerland is lost, but here's a couple of today's news from Yuropoorland:

UK Home Secretary Amber Rudd called messaging services offering end to end encryption "totally unacceptable" and "a place for terrorists to communicate".

German Federal Network Agency (BNetzA) contacted more than 100 developers of XMPP clients (many of whom don't even run XMPP servers and/or aren't German) requesting them to register with German authorities because they consider XMPP "telecommunication services" that need to be regulated.

Because of muh terrorists and muh nothing to hide, it will soon be "totally unacceptable" to have face-to-face conversations without wearing a government wiretap. Fuck this shit.

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Government is just a symptom, the cause is that citizens allowed it to happen.

It's conservative fear mongering. This happened post 9/11 with Bush and the PATRIOT Act along several other survlence programs like PRISM. Sup Forumss party is ruining America and Europe in their own special way while the left is importing thousands from the middleast . This shit almost makes want to be a lawmaker desu.

Obama increased surveillance far worse then bush did. The right are not saints, but they're not as bad as the left.

I suggest you to go to Sup Forums and make Jews scapegoats for that as you always do.

Obama also passed the privacy protection laws and net nuetrality laws that just got repealed by the Republican Congress.

>only Jew-eating Sup Forumstards, pedophiles or terrorists would care
I suggest you go to /r/oldmemes.

>internet is basically a government project
>surprised when government wants to control it

Giving up on FidoNet was a mistake.

I wish I just wouldn't care about this shit.
But I do.

the right are objectively worse for privacy than the left

My only hope for the future of this country is that when the fucks in government die off they're replaced by tech literates who know what the fuck encryption is. That'll probably never happening though, seeing as our fuck off broken election system is still in use. We'll just get a David Cameron junior, or whoever else has the thickest wallet.

>objectively worse

If you're smart this won't affect you.

You can put a body cam on every citizen and tourist and employ half the population to spy on the other half, and still terrorist attacks would happen.

This is just the government trying to do damage control mechanisms for when the population starts to care that every terrorist group receives sweet government bucks and privileges.

The way things are going I will not be surprise if a natural born citizen would be rejected at customs and a guy yelling "I will bomb the shit out of $country_name" walks in.

>Because of muh terrorists and muh nothing to hide, it will soon be "totally unacceptable" to have face-to-face conversations without wearing a government wiretap. Fuck this shit.
Should have thought about it BEFORE importing MILLIONS OF ISLAMISTS. What the fuck did you expect would happen? Utopia? LMAO

>Germany
>caring about terrorism

>"terrorists are using encrypted text to plan their next attack! we have to stop them!"
>proceed to take in thousands of more rapefugees

german education

Why the fuck do you care? The government is on your side against white christian bigots. We should empower them as much as possible.

Exactly. Fuck the right wing. Let them eat deep state.

Id rather have my own countrymen monitor my online activity than some foreign entity. All i do is shitpost on here and fap to gay pron so why should i care what they see.

what if your countrymen make shitposting or fapping to gay porn illegal?

You really think us burgers would give away the freedoms entailed to us by our forefathers to shitpost on the internet and fap to gay pron?

>Unironically believing governments / intellingence agencies want to increase surveillance / ban cryptography to protect anyone from "milliions of islamists" plotting on fucking whatsapp.
How retarded are you?

>we can take in as many muslims as we want and it will have no effect on our orwellian police state
lol

And how the fuck do you plan on tracking all these millions of jihadis who want to kill people?

You can't have PRIVACY and JIHADISTS in the same country. Democracy is incompatible with Islam. There isn't a single democratic Islamic country.

Your country's fucked. Encryption will have to be outlawed.

>n-no user-kun, t-that's r...racism
Bongistan will be better when the muds start throwing the lefties off buildings.

>implying London is dangerous
Sup Forums please

>two terror attacks with cars and knives in the last 48 hours
>safe
Pick one.

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>libertarians flagellate over the idea that pleb opinions matter
every time

SRS question, why are politicians so fucking retarded?

I don't understand it. It's like everything they do is so contrary to common sense and logic. It's impressive they even dress themselves in the morning. Maybe they don't though...

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Money. Power.

They're going to regret it when the people rise up and hang them from streetlamps in the major cities as an example to others who want to abuse power. Don't think it'll happen? Look at history.

Those cunts should be gassed, Jewish or not.

That's not the problem. These kinds of laws will make society worse. It will change the ways that people think of things, and how they see government. It's one step closer to them getting rid of elections, religion, and freedom of speech and replacing it all with the state as the ultimate authority. See Russia and North Korea as examples.

I feel that importing these immigrants is part of a plan. It's an attempt to mix cultures and silence anyone who doesn't want to conform. Maybe the new world order fags are on to something.

>white christian bigots
That's funny. I've never seen them throw gays off rooftops, burn people to death for insulting their holy book, or gun down women for going to school. You know who actually does that shit? SAND NIGGERS DO IT.

why do you need to hide? seems like the people who want to hide are the same that revere snowden and wikileaks and call for complete transparency for others.

>why do you need to hide?
Why do you need to >imply?

If a high government official said that "window blinds are totally unacceptable" because "they let terrorists build home-made bombs", then a government agency wanted to install cameras and microphones all over everyone's houses, I'd be extremely fucking pissed not because I "need to hide" or because I run a meth lab, but because I find the idea of being constantly invigilated under the retarded, unproportional and completely fake pretext of protecting people from home-built bombs absolutely apalling.

>b-but it's not the same
It's _exactly_ the same.

Listen, you faggots. I come from an ex-communist country and I'm actually old enough to remember last decade of that regime. Like most commie countries, mine too had a big-ass intelligence invigilating its own citizens. Officially, it was to prevent crime and "plots to overthrow the state", so law-abiding citizens had "nothing to fear". In reality, it was to hold everyone in check and fuck up people's lives for arbitrary reasons, thought-crimes included.

>b-but my government are the good, freedom-loving guys. So are all of its agencies and all of their workers. They only want to protect me from bad guys who hate muh freedom.
Even if that was true (which it isn't), don't think the surveillance records they collect now can't or won't be used against you retroactively when the government and/or law changes.

>>b-but my government are the good, freedom-loving guys. So are all of its agencies and all of their workers. They only want to protect me from bad guys who hate muh freedom.
>Even if that was true (which it isn't), don't think the surveillance records they collect now can't or won't be used against you retroactively when the government and/or law changes.

Exactly.

See, that's my main problem with surveillance. If I could 100% trust the state, I'd be just fine with that. Unfortunately, it seems that in this day and age it's essentially impossible to have a state that genuinely has the interests of its people in mind.

>They're going to regret it when the people rise up
HAHAHAHAHA, fuck off Cletus.

>These kinds of laws will make society worse.
Safety isn't worse.

>It's an attempt to mix cultures and silence anyone who doesn't want to conform.
Except the only people who are being silenced are conservashits like you who can't do anything besides spew hate.

> I've never seen them throw gays off rooftops, burn people to death for insulting their holy book, or gun down women for going to school.
Neither do most Muslims and they're willing to vote with us instead of against us, so fuck you.

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>le citizens make the laws meme
Oligarchs don't care what you think.

Get
This is a libertarian board.

>This is a libertarian board.
Libertarians are less than 1% of the general population, 97%+ of which are white men. You're not the majority here or anywhere. Kill Yourself.

>libertarian
>majority
>anywhere
lol

Progress has been made in the past.

If we are in deep shit is because there are no massive riots against major corporation lobbies in protest of this abuse.

Like, ff money controls politics, lets boycott WallStreet.

>Progress has been made in the past.
You do what you're told and that hasn't changed. If you think the various "rights," movements weren't scripted in the past, you don't know your history. Liberalism has given you every right you have to more effectively order society. But what isn't good for the liberal elite isn't going to happen. Riot all you want.

>If we are in deep shit is because there are no massive riots against major corporation lobbies in protest of this abuse.
What would you do? Hmm? Protest Wal-Mart? Microsoft? The internet? Might as well jet off to the third world and not come back.

>Like, ff money controls politics, lets boycott WallStreet.

Money is power and power is money. Boycotts don't work unless they're backed by the same people whom you hate.

Theoretically, boycotts and rebellions could work if everyone actually agreed to band together. Money may be power, but 500 million citizens with ~50k each is 25 trillion, which should be enough to rival even someone like the Rothschilds.

Of course, that will never happen because, even if there was a cause that most people could agree on sufficiently to band together over, then, well, propaganda exists, disinformation exists, so nobody would actually be able to get to the bottom of this cause in the first place.

Also

>Theoretically, boycotts and rebellions could work if everyone actually agreed to band together.
You'd have to be utterly retarded to believe that there is such a thing as "everyone," and that a group as disparate as the whole population of a first world country shares enough interests to rebel like that.

>Money may be power, but 500 million citizens with ~50k each is 25 trillion, which should be enough to rival even someone like the Rothschilds.

Most citizens are worth well less than 50k, even if you believed in the fairy-tale of a populism that united all the people. Rothschilds memes are also incredibly stupid. The ruling elite aren't just a family, they're a self-interested governing and managerial class of wealthy, intelligent, and powerful people. Assuming you got millions of people to go after the Rothschilds, they'd be sacrificed and then you'd go back to being the bitch of every other elite just like before.

>Of course, that will never happen because, even if there was a cause that most people could agree on sufficiently to band together over, then, well, propaganda exists, disinformation exists, so nobody would actually be able to get to the bottom of this cause in the first place.

If you think propaganda is needed to cause that level of division, you're wrong. Propaganda is almost always used to generate false unity. The reality is that you don't have much of anything in common with anyone. The ties that bind you to your fellows were dissolved generations ago.

>You'd have to be utterly retarded to believe that there is such a thing as "everyone," and that a group as disparate as the whole population of a first world country shares enough interests to rebel like that.
Don't know if this is aimed at me or just in general, but this was exactly my point (hence the "theoretically").

>If you think propaganda is needed to cause that level of division, you're wrong.
But we're operating under the theoretical assumption that there exists some issue which is grave enough and pressing enough that everyone magically agrees in order to deal with it.

Also propaganda is used to generate unity, but nearly always in an "us vs. them" scenario, where the elite/dictators/oligarchs are invariably included in the "us" and the "them" is usually some foreign power or powers. In our theoretical thought experiment of everyone uniting in a huge protest, the "them" should really be working with the "us" and against the elite. That is what I meant by dividing propaganda.


All that being said, I am of course well aware that none of that is realistic. I guess I should have stressed the "theoretically" more.

I wish the CIA would interrogate me

>waifu will be jealous but alteast I can say I made some friends

kek

>Also propaganda is used to generate unity, but nearly always in an "us vs. them" scenario, where the elite/dictators/oligarchs are invariably included in the "us" and the "them" is usually some foreign power or powers. In our theoretical thought experiment of everyone uniting in a huge protest, the "them" should really be working with the "us" and against the elite. That is what I meant by dividing propaganda.
That's a stupid meme proffered by people who don't pay attention. Turn on your TV to any channel, view the messaging. Is it us vs. them? Who is us and them? The messaging is 90% one of faux-unity and the us vs. them is 90% ideological. Unity is being constructed with the pseudo-form of ideological conformity. "We have common values." No, nobody has common values anymore. Even the elite strata of the managerial class don't have a common ideology anymore. Hence the political turmoil in the first world right now.

Which channel should I turn on?

>Left-leaning USA channels
"Them" is right-wingers, alt-righters, and all manner of conservatives.

If you also include online publications, some of the most leftist ones also include all CIS white males in the "them", although they're definitely not the majority.

Let's look at some more "hardcore" propaganda, preferably state-sponsored:
>Russian news and media
"Them" is the ebil western CIA niggers. Trump is an exception, although I've been hearing mixed reports about his current portrayal there.

Naturally the EU, Hillary, Merkel, Ukraine, etc. are all part of "them".

>From a historic perspective, soviet or nazi propaganda
"Them" was the other one. Soviets also added in capitalism in general, while Nazis threw in jews.

Now can you provide a counterexample of a successful large-scale propaganda campain that lacked a "them"? If so I will be happy to revise my views.

Just because they have a convenient excuse now doesn't mean they wouldn't have been pushing for more mass surveillance and less privacy anyway. It would be for stopping pedophiles, or stopping drugs cartels, or communists. They'd make something up.

>Just because they have a convenient excuse now doesn't mean they wouldn't have been pushing for more mass surveillance and less privacy anyway
What an idiotic statement. If things were different, we wouldn't have panic in the streets and people wouldn't be afraid to walk outside among crowds. But because all these terrorists are here, we have no choice now and cannot just turn a blind eye. We can either deport or put these evil monsters into internment camps or try mass surveillance.

>"Them" is right-wingers, alt-righters, and all manner of conservatives.
Yes, of course, but the subtext is what is both pervasive and unseen.

"Us," is supposed to be everyone else, a bunch of people who "share values," in antagonism to these other people who exist in ideological purgatory.

In reality, there is no "us," because we're members of increasingly tiny groups of interests who have almost as little in common with each other than with these bad others.

Therein lies the weakness and strength of modern propaganda. Weakness because unlike then there is no obvious German or Jew. Strength because unlike Stalin, there is no need to construct a Soviet to combat the Capitalist. Everyone without an explicit tribal identity is largely an atom and can therefor be pressed at will into any ideological package.

This kind of shit has been happening for centuries.From the insane regulation of codebooks and primitive cipher machines to the clipper chip in the 90's,and now this.
Normies never really had access to secure communications and data storage,and I doubt they ever will.

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>in my opinion X is objectively Y

t.mohamid

Definitely not in practice.

>mandatory key disclosure laws
Totally useless when it comes to properly designed systems.
Idiots who use simple passwords for important data deserve to get fucked.

>we're gonna live in a commie hellhole worse than Orwell and there's nothing you can do to stop it