Could americans explain to me why they don't have healthcare for everyone

Could americans explain to me why they don't have healthcare for everyone.

There are like 2 countries in the world who do not do that and USA is the wealthiest country in the world.

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I dont want to pay extra taxes

If I ever get seriously hurt I want them to just let me die

50% of your taxes go to the military. In europe it's like 2%.

Why are you so cucked.

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>tax money goes to weapons/military
>weapons go to arming the Middle East
>Middle East fights us with weapons we gave them over problems caused by giving them weapons
>send more soldiers over to fight never-ending conflict cycle
>soldiers come home with PTSD
>no money to help them after they're done fighting
>it's all going to weapons

Did I tell you a lie or something?

>it's all a giant money laundering scheme

nato would have to dissolve for it to happen, im paying about 25% tax w/ maximum withholding and i'd have a stroke if i pay in anymore. and i am no where near one of those crazy anti tax people nor am i against universal health care.

ppl here really really really hate paying tax

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Just as a thought exercise, could it be corporations that made you have taxes?

50% of it doesn't go to the military. It goes to social security, curtesy of the baby boomers who are retiring (and hopefully dying) around this time.

Any excess military budget is to project force to Europe to prop up the Spurdo Army against the Blydlo Army of the East.

*hate

>There are like 2 countries in the world who do not do that
western europe isnt the world m8. tell me how many shitty african asian eastern european and latin american nations have free healthcare?
regardless the fraternal society system>socialised healthcare

Military is discretionary spending and even that represents about half of discretionary spending. Vast majority of tax dollars goes into mandatory spending AKA medicare (healthcare for elderly) and social security and unemployment benefits.

No, that's dumb, corporations don't tax people. There are tax credits awarded to businesses, and they pay taxes to the government, but they do not tax citizens. That's silly.

Because the poor can get fucked
If they didn't want to die of a preventable disease, they should have been born white

america has more poor people than europe. they would suffer a lot from higher taxes

>they should have been born white
im white (an immigrant sure but white nonetheless) and im sure as hell not better off than negro jamal

no, i don't think so because that is something completely seperate. i don't like the fact that corporations aren't paying their fair share due to offshoring their businesses in ireland, for example. among other things.

the reason i hate paying taxes is that 2/3's of our tax is going to things that isn't going to benefit any average citizen aside from old people.

It isn't the government's job to provide health care. Your health is your own responsibility. Why should I be forced to pay for someone else's poor habits?

i gave him the benefit of the doubt, hope that's not actually what he meant

I dont disagree certainly, but there'd far too less poor people if their health would be taken a care of. Paid by taxes

If you're at or below poverty line you get healthcare from da gubmint

free healthcare is shit

>why does the country with the best doctors and most advanced medical centers not just hand shit out for free

It ain't cheap to rule the world.

Hell, the British Empire ran a deficit except for India.

only about 1/10 people here are uninsured, and i would say that half of them could get health insurance easily but opt out of it at their work.

i think that you might be overestimating the amount of people who are uninsured here. i only make 40k a year and i have really good affordable health insurance.

we don't get it for free

There are certain things that should be for every citizen

health, housing, electricity, warmth and the ability to vote.

fuck libtards

But besides obesity and having zero hygiene, a vast majority of hospital cases are out of a person's direct control.

>Why should I be forced to pay for someone else's poor habits?
Because muh feelings

The leftists won't let us try different systems in different states to determine what actually functions the most effectively here because they're insecure fascists. It's always some federal level fuckup like Obongocare. Until I can actually get some solid data on what system works the most effectively(free market, universal, mixed, tax breaks for treating poor, etc), I won't endorse universal healthcare

>ireland is a tax haven xD
stop this meme. we just have low corporate tax. if the brits wanted our companies they should suck it up and be friendly to business
read this
freenation.org/a/f12l3.html
we need to make it possible for fraternal organisations to function

>Implying I want to pay for my fellow citizens who cannot control themselves and take no effort in maintaining a healthy lifestyle.

I appriciate your intake. 1/20 get the extremely expensive hospital bills you say ? even so... that's remarkably expensive.

From a nordic perspective nobody should be in debt over hospital bills. We're talking about general survival here. why is there a price on that?

>The leftists won't let us try different systems in different states to determine what actually functions the most effectively here because they're insecure fascists. It's always some federal level fuckup like Obongocare

im not defending obamacare, because it was a retarded half measure. but this is ironic as a large reason it turned into some fucked up monster that benefited no one was because republicans in congress mucked it up cause they didn't want to try something different out.

free market works best for healthcare. we havent had free market healthcare since the 30s. the doctors got butthurt that prices were too low though so the gubmint basically made it so doctors set their own prices and that it was impossible for fraternal societies to function naturally
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Because the blind nigger with elefantiasis can sure work and pay for his own healthcare, instead of taxing people on his benefit only.

obamacare is complete garbage
>ah yes fellas we have a problem with healthcare fellas cos its too expensive
>lets make it so that everyone is forced to pay for the same shitty healthcare at the same cost, essentially putting money in insurances pockets and keeping people impoverished

well not everyone is going to be going to the hospital, but for people who are actually severely poor and not just opting out of health insurance, they do get breaks from the government for care. look up medicaid.

and im glad you are actually having a conversation on this with me, because a lot of europeans just have their mind made up and refuse to hear anything from people who actually live here.

>why is there a price on that?
just the way it is, i suppose. individualistic vs collective societies.

whoops i meant folks not fellas

I'll put tax money towards universal healthcare as soon as they put a tax on being fat and unhealthy.

>because republicans in congress mucked it up
Democrats shat on the ACA too. They brought Obamacare into Congress with something like 4000 pages of regulations(might be wrong with that number, but it was huge) before the Republicans even got to look at it

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This, I think I remember reading somewhere that Americans go to the hospital much more on average which leads to some of out ridiculous statistics.

In what Ylilauta board do you post this meme?

We have free healthcare and top tier univesrity education.
We're still shit though.

dont mess with me are you agreeing or being sarcastic

>blind nigger with elefantiasis
Who would want to prolong the life of such a thing?

Because your healthcare is free but still shit and so are your universities.

so why would you just blame fucked up heath care on just the left if you already knew that? and then when this information is brought up you just point fingers at the left again.

hope you know that you're exactly what is wrong with this country politically

breaks aren't enough. I had a thought about gaining American citizenship and I believe it's quite difficult. As long as you pay taxes there should be certain benefits. Healthcare should be available for everyone, and that should the starting point.

If you don't provide necessities for everyone at least provide good health for every single citizen. That's just human decency.

o and before you call me a leftist or some shit, i will be voting for trump

The left is who has forced everyone to buy into the fucked up mess.

>Pay $200 for 23 and Me DNA kit
>dinky little box comes in the mail
>comes with some tube you're supposed to fill with saliva after 30 minutes of not eating
>but humans eat every 29 minutes
Wow nice scam, guys. Now I've got a $200 plastic tube forever.

But that's factually incorrect
Entitlements make up the largest share of our spending
Anyone over the age of 13 should know this

Say that to my face, not online and see what hapapens.
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well, when you find a country where you agree with everything that goes on politically i hope that you can move there.

not sure what you want me to say at this point.

I'm not blaming fucked up healthcare on either the left or the right, it's a combination of the two. I was trying to say that there are restrictions put in place on the states that prevent them from trying to implement their own healthcare systems. That's usually down to the unions and people like Hernie Panders that try to regulate the medical industry exclusively from the federal level

My bad that I didn't specify that

>o and before you call me a leftist or some shit, i will be voting for trump
Wasn't going to and I am as well

it's unfortunate that you don't have bipartisan parliament that isn't defined by regular american wedge issues. If not so you'd focus more on issues that benefit americans.

This. I have never really met anyone who had trouble paying for their surgery or whatever. They would say it's ridiculous that it would cost that much but never had a problem paying it. You have to be a neet or working at mcdonalds or something for it to be a real issue. Everybody I know has decent insurance

It's up to you to choose who lives.

It's not*

I see, well I see your point and I'll look into this further.

Is it obamacare that has provided even low wage workers with some level of health care?

Wew lad typo of the century there mate

Yeah i think. was trying to help people who were a bit above poverty line. think it failed miserably 2bh

it did
t. person affected significantly by obamacare

>think it failed miserably 2bh
It voided a lot of people's plans and it raised most people's deductibles by about $200 or so

>There are like 2 countries in the world who do not do that and USA is the wealthiest country in the world.

That's not a coincidence

We're cucked for supporting the military that saves the world's ass time and time again?

>As long as you pay taxes

Americans pay smaller taxes than Europeans

Stop acting self righteous, we do it out of mutual self interest in cooperation with the Euros

>That's not a coincidence
I don't think I've ever encountered this view from a Euro

there's mostly self interest in doing that

For no lie you could half your military budget and have the healthiest people on the globe no contest.

>For no lie you could half your military budget and have the healthiest people on the globe no contest.
Our military spending is 3.5% of our GDP, healthcare averages at about 9% of GDP in Europe. Slashing military expenditures in favor of universal helathcare wouldn't even come close to solving the problem

>top tier university system
>anything outside of the US

Pick one (1)

That's retarded. If healthcare is free, you'll have a shitload of poor old people clogging it up, living up to 80-90 and costing a fortune.

Our Congress and sizeable population are incapable of micromanagement of any kind and career bureaucrats are more interested in lining their own pockets than helping the country

that and we have three kinds of people: full-blown pro-FDR commies that want 3000 more govt agencies, people who see any form of govt support as communist, and lazy fatasses that abuse free shit

And yet you're paying more for healthcare overall than you would be if you paid extra taxes for socialized healthcare

american system already costs a fortune, infact they spend more per capita than any european country.
It's a fucking abomination as it is and needs to be reformed, be it into universal healthcare or not.
this

"Libtards" are the people in America who would agree with you lol, if you're on Sup Forums you're gonna wanna say fuck conservatives

Nigs

A bit of topic, but why and since when do Americanos call left wingers liberals? Seems pretty strange desu

since socialism and communism became taboo words in politics

The left wingers hijacked the word liberal here.
Here it means liberal expanse of government.
They pander to the homos and other shit but everything they do or want to do decreases the average person's liberty.
They also hijacked the word "democratic".
Most of what they do would be easily voted down in a popular vote and they are always against state's rights and want the federal government dictating everything to everyone everywhere.

The problem there is lack of competition and a cartel between the doctors and insurance companies.