If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear

Any reason a law abiding person would want to use Tor? Not trolling. Is there?

Narcissism.

I don't know. Can you please post your social security number (or equivalent if not a US citizen), your full contact details, your phone number, a timestamped image of you holding your ID with your sexual organ visible, your credit/debit card details, all your bank accounts and all your online accounts with login information?

> Followed by someone less law abiding

> Wants to help those that try to escape corrupt governments

> Some care for privacy

Privacy.

Google your fucking argument. It's been debunked more times than you have brain cells. Find retorts to the counterarguments and come back.

>leddit tier argument
lol

yes, you want the rest of the world to be free and don't like the government

Hahaha, nice one, dictator!

>Glenn Greenwald argument
>I was only pretending to be retarded!

I use Tor to access to my emails because my email provider provides a hidden service with an extended validation certificate, which is comfy, and I want to make the Tor network stronger.

Obvious bait.

Why can't you just provide the information I requested? Do you have something to hide?

I have shitloads to hide.

fuck you faggot.

(You)

Wait why tho srsly, libitards aside... the onion chans are like being back in fucking dialup days but worse.

Used to use it for porn when i was younger because of family friendly browsing or something

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>If you have nothing to hide,
I don't want people to see my dickpics. Problem?

I live in the US, a corporatocratic country. Here ISPs can spy on people without any repercussion. Because I dislike the idea of a private company invading my privacy I think using Tor makes a lot of sense, am I wrong?

The real problem is, you don't actually know what you would need to hide.Opinions vary, you could have a lynch mob after for practically anything these days.All of those people you don't see eye to eye with politically? They could spin anything against you.

To buy drugs off silkroad, idiot

>Any reason a law abiding person would want to use Tor?
No.

I am yet to see a good, non-ideological counterargument to "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear".

Is the US Navy not a set of law abiding citizens?

post ur social security number ur credit card number ur email passwords ur name and birthday and ur id XDXDXDXDXD nothing to hide nothing to fear right??? XDXDDDDDDD
(btw disregard how retarded this argument is if u dont post it mean u have something to hide cgheckmate XDDDDDDDDD)

To communicate with someone in a strict country like Iran.Now you have an answer.Please refrain from posting this nonsense ever again.

fuck off terrorist

It's like saying
You don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.

Half of the world is going to war against privacy, everywhere laws pop up that restric rights and make finding people online much easier: in the "5-eyes" coutries, the diamond shield in china, almost everywhere nowadays.

At the same time world politics go mad, half of europe tries to establish dictator ship (poland, hungary, turkey just to name a few), the maghreb is fucked, africa is struggling with terrorists everywhere, in south america a former drugster contract killer is going to become president, arabia is completely nuts, not talking about china, russia put thousand of people into prison just yesterday, the US is not doing to well right now..


And you seriously ask me, why we should start defending our privacy?!?!?


Dude, Skynet is close.
You better be prepared.

Everyone has something to hide, prove me wrong.
protip: you can't

agree i ought to hidde my dickpicks.
and my scat porn.

>Following the law is more important than following basic moral principles
How does it feel to be retarded?

>your whole post
I wish more people were like you user

To protect against an irresponsible government

There's no evidence (AFAIK) of the US government using private information for authoritarian purposes, but they have the tools to do so

Too much privacy enables criminals and degenerates. I can't wait till you leftist cucks get shot by cops, you deserve to die. Trump is completely in the right to secure backdoors only the government can use.

>Here ISPs can spy on people without any repercussion
I went to the drycleaners and they're allowed to spy on what clothes I wear
I went to a restaurant and they're allowed to spy on what food I eat
I studied at University and they're allowed to spy on what I'm interested in
I went to the library and they're allowed to spy on what books I check out
I went to the hairdresser and they're allowed to spy on what hairstyle I have
I used the post office and they're allowed to spy on what kind of packages I receive
I called an
I used a service and the service provider saw the peripheral of what relevant thing of mine they were operating on.

Le draconian laws
Le 1984
Le harry potter/star wars reference

Don't worry, he'll be killed soon. The government had the right to monitor degenerates. Kill all privacy cucks and kill all linux cucks. Whites cannot thrive if they are still alive.

What a shitty arguement.

I wouldn''t post all that information because I don't want to get my identity stolen, not because I have something to hide.

To check symptoms of a medical issue without havin my data sold to medical insurance companies and possibly having my premiums go up during the next renewal cycle.

The post office doesn't tell the world what you got in your mail, the dry cleaner doesn't tell everyone what you're wearing, restaurants don't log your eating habits and hand this information over to the highest bidder...

It's not about the ISP seeing what I'm doing. It's about my ISP seeing what I'm doing and then making this information available to whomever has the money for it

I don't know why I put effort in a response to a troll but it's too late now

It's obvious you're trying to hide degenerate porn. Cops are going to be hired to kill you, you deserve nothing short of a bullet in the head.

Whew, retard alert!
Do any of these institutions know content of your pockets? Do they know what's in your home? Do they know and can use your conversations with others, against you?

If you control private lives, you can make influence on people to your liking.
That is not a democratic way.

Fuck off nazi.

>mob rule is better than communism
They're both shit.

Hang yourself subhuman, racial traitors and genetic detectives like you need to be gassed. Throw all linux commies and privacy cucks into a gas chamber. Kill every single last one of them.

In the conventional sense, I genuinely have nothing to hide. But that doesn't mean this information shouldn't be hidden.

1. ISPs can not view what's in your mail. Your email service provider can and all popular ones do
2. ISPs, dry cleaners and restaurants probably don't sell all your information, though they legally could. Most restaurants have some kind of online ordering system now for deliveries that build dossiers of their clients. It's about as likely that the service provider for these databases make extra money by selling this information.

Does your ISP know this stuff?

No. Lol. Learn what encryption is, you fucking retard. Google has more personal information on you than any ISP AND nobody cares about regulating them.

Bullet to the head for every privacy nigger, you're the disease killing whites.

I don't follow you're logic

Did just a child called me retard?
Son, there are greater threat to worry about than ISP.
Go ask your mom about STD's.

If you're confused, then try reading post I replied to.
My answer is general to a privacy concerns.
Not specifically to ISP.
Try to rationalise next time.

You're the autistic kid talking about what's in your pockets.

The point was about privacy relating to the use of private organisations services. Of course a restaurant doesn't know what's in your home but there are other privacy concerns raised about what they can and can't do with information that they've gathered on people using their private services. Regardless of whether you think it's right or not, the government should try to intervene as little as possible and when it comes to what private organisations do with the information that's going through their private services and stored on their private property there's a cause for alarm when government steps in.

Though it may be difficult, people should look for alternatives when these issues arise, not go crying to mommy's government. What there needs to be is more competition among ISPs and more development of privacy-protecting software, just like TOR and VPNs. When people look into your property and you don't like it, you put up a fence, you don't crying to government to regulate what people can look at. TOR exists and is used because people see it as a valid option to protect privacy instead of your solution of sitting there and pissing your pants like a baby and demanding everything cater to your interests.

And democracy exists by the logic that if you keep the majority happy, then you won't have mass rebellion. It's not made to accomplish what is right or best, that would be a fallacy - ad populum.

Using tor has nothing to do with exposing that information

>Using a service made by the US government to protect yourself from the US government

o i am laffin

Circumventing website bans.

Revoking free speech laws is fine because I have nothing to say.

>Using weapons designed by governments against tyrannical governments
The 2nd amendment is so stupid

I misunderstood your post then.

If you say that encryption gives you enough privacy, then you're wrong.
ISP or any third party who can use data provided by ISP can correlate your actions despite not knowing what exactly data you send.

And your anology still is dumb.
There is no critical information shared when you order meal or send mail.
But it can be by using tor, and your ISP can only see that you were connected to it and not specific site.

Do you really needed to explain this?

Define "enough privacy"
You should use a VPN

>There is no critical information shared when you order meal
Your address, your phone number, your name, the times you eat, who you're with, your IP, your account name, your billing information, traffic routes to your house or if you're inside the restaurant then they can record you (video and audio) and collect your DNA.

>Wew, he got me, better think of something
Acting like you can't avoid these things.

It's late where I am, and not in the mood trying to explain to some kid why you can't trust someone when they say "trust us, we have no logs here"

Continue your shitposting.

Ever consider you're just wrong and not as smart as you think you are?

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I don't like people watching me even though I have nothing to hide.
Don't like being judged. And just because something isn't illegal doesn't mean people want to broadcast it to the world.

>I can't wait till you leftist cucks...
You dumb fucking nigger. There may come a day when those leftists decide you need to go.Personal information of any kind needs to be limited to those you trust. Not only do you sound like a commie, but you are arguing to provide commies with the tools to ruin your life.

Why are you hidding your identity? Do you have something to hide?

>law abiding person
If you were really law abiding you would protest and riot AGAINST MASS SURVEILLANCE

I think you might fit in better on reddit if you like persistent identification

>I am yet to see a good, non-ideological counterargument to "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear".

Fine, I'll play.

Point 1: There's a reason everybody says that your Facebook posts reveals the real you. It's because your internet activity reveals everything about your personality, even things that you don't realize.

Point 2: related to Point 1. Everybody is into some fucked up shit. Regardless of what it is, the internet provides.

Now imagine an agency that knows not just your internet history but everything about our personality, your likes/dislikes, and with substantial amounts of dirt on you. Whistleblowing and leaks happen, whether they be explicitly ordered by the agency head or by a rouge agent.

Back alley/under the table shit is a normal thing is politics. What can a Director with an agenda do? If you want a specific person to be elected you destroy his opponent's public image by releasing the shit that you've collected about him since his childhood. You can control your candidate of choice by threatening to release the shit you've collected on him.

Why do you think so many politicians are kiddie diddlers? I'm not talking about pizzagate, it's a common theme all around the world. It's because their defeated opponents have been discredited by the same people that can also release dirt on the elected people but have chose not to. Because people with things to hide are easily controlled.

Just because you have nothing to hide now doesn't mean the situation will change in the future. Information is being collected from everybody, including kids, teens, and young adults. Said kids, teens, and young adults that will grow up to become the next generation of CEOs, senators, congressmen, ambassadors, and maybe even presidents.

It's fucking dangerous for one agency to have that much influence.

Why are you even posting on an anonymous Cambodian finger painting forum, seriously, if you'd like to have an online identity there's plenty of places you can go, like facebook

I'm not him but that's exactly the point you fucking idiot. Hiding your data doesn't mean that YOU did something wrong, it's to prevent OTHERS doing something wrong with it.

It can be a thief or a terrorist or some government, anyone can do evil. Why allow it?

>nothing to hide, nothing to fear
>literally a propaganda slogan made up by the nazi's
You sound like you're from that country where they think it's a great idea to allow ISP's to sell user data to advertisers. Oh wait I already named one reason to use tor

Something that's legal now may become illegal. Let's say you like watching lesbian midget scat porn. Then SJW's pass a law that midget porn is exploitative and illegal. Then they turn it on those who watched it in the past. You'd be turned in.

This is an extreme example, but there are similar things. I'm not defending CP, as it's vile, but privacy only being needed by those with things to hide is something non-freetards use.

If the government can see what you are doing, so can the criminals.

That is ironic considering a lot of the people in government commit several crimes

This guy get it.

Government corruption is why we must protect ourselves.

Now you understand why we promote crypto-anarchism.

After seeing this garbage get passed through congress, I say we should all cancel services with ISPs, even if it makes us go with out internet for the time being.

I am almost tempted to do this, but I do like my infinite distraction box.

Is there a way to take the existing network hardware and re-purpose it for peer to peer networks, instead of routing to an ISP.

People have been working on making mesh networks for years. There isn't really critical mass.

Look up about the Border Gateway Protocol and you can start to understand the scope of the problem.

When worse comes to worse, we could always mass store as much data as possible, let the ISP contracts run out, then share that data in the form of flash drives or disks with each other.

You mean like what Cuba does?

people use the internet for vital comm and work, we could do that with cheap mobile data plans for a while and go without streamed movies for a short time, maybe if normies could be convinced of that...

but when even one of us is hesitant, you know a facebook campaign would never fucking work, peopel will trade their freedom for comfort and convenyance ANY DAY, i bet this second user even pays netflix to continue destroying web standards freedom

I don't think things are that bad, even with this legislation. Most people's browsing habits are already for sale via XSS trackers, so this really doesn't change much in practical terms.

>implying any argument can be free of ideology

Don't wanna get tracked by CIA niggers.

I hesitate because I don't think it will fix anything because Web 2.0 and the widespread normalization of XSS already fucked us before people even knew what was going on.

>After seeing this garbage get passed through congress
People are so ignorant.

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It's shit like this that makes me depressed about the current state of the internet, how bloated, and invasive it has become.
I try to keep up, but there is so much I don't know and that I wish could change.

I have nothing to hide, thus there is no reason for the government to spy on me. If I don't need to identify myself or post on Sup Forums, I'll ALWAYS use Tor.

If my government can see my data, then very likely so can China or Russia. Maybe you trust your government, but would you trust them?

Sure you can take it.

Found the mudslime

What makes you think some random underpaid NSA redshirt won't steal your identity?

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The government already has all that information. Doesn't bother me because I have nothing to hide.

None of it is hidden so feel free to go through the proper channels to get it dude. You can contact me directly if you have any issues.

This is the right answer

underrated post

The real question is how long before comcast burns to the ground and proper ISP competition takes place so I can choose one that agrees to not sell my data.

Do you have blinds on your windows? If you're law abiding, you have nothing to hide inside your home, do you?

Privacy is reason enough in itself.

If any ISP wouldn't sell your data then their subscription would be really high to compensate. Then you'd really know out just how much your privacy is worth to you.