>Over the past few months, we’ve worked hard to make sure Telegram calls are the best in terms of quality, speed, and security. The wait is over: today we’re rolling out Voice Calls in Western Europe. The rest of the world will get them very soon as well.
>The Voice Call interface is familiar and easy to use, but as always, you get loads of innovation under the hood with Telegram.
>Telegram Calls are built upon the time-tested end-to-end encryption of Telegram's Secret Chats. The key verification UI we came up with in 2013 to protect against man-in-the-middle attacks served well for Telegram (and for other apps that adopted it), but for Calls we needed something easier.
>That‘s why we’ve improved the key exchange mechanism. To make sure your call is 100% secure, you and your recipient just need to compare four emoji over the phone. No lengthy codes or complicated pictures!
>Whenever possible, your calls will go over a peer-to-peer connection, using the best audio codecs to save traffic while providing crystal-clear quality.
>If a peer-to-peer connection can't be established, Telegram will use the closest server to you to connect you with the person you’re calling in the fastest way possible. Unlike other apps, Telegram has a distributed infrastructure all over the world which we’ve already been using to deliver your texts faster than other apps. Now these servers will also be used for calls.
>In the coming months, we’ll be expanding our content delivery network around the globe, getting the connection up to light-speed even in remote areas.
>Each time you make a Voice Call on Telegram, a neural network learns from your and your device‘s feedback (naturally, it doesn’t have access to the contents of the conversation, it has only technical information such as network speed, ping times, packet loss percentage, etc.). The machine optimizes dozens of parameters based on this input, improving the quality of future calls on the given device and network.
>These parameters can also be adjusted during a conversation if there's a change in your connection. Telegram will adapt and provide excellent sound quality on stable WiFi — or use less data when you walk into a refrigerator with bad reception.
>According to our tests, Telegram Calls are already superior to any of our competitors on comparable connections. But the quality of Telegram Calls will further improve as you and others use them, thanks to the built-in machine learning.
Complete Control
>If you’re like us, you don’t like to be bothered. On Telegram, you can control who can and who can't call you with granular precision. You can even switch voice calls off altogether, blocking anyone and everyone from calling you.
>By default, Telegram calls are lightweight and automatically adapt to the speed and type of your connection, so as to consume the least data possible. But if you want to reduce your data spending by another 25-30% at the expense of sound quality, you’re welcome to enable the Use Less Data option in Data and Storage Settings.
No Added Calories
>Telegram is the most powerful messaging platform out there, but it is also famous for being the easiest one to use. We want to keep things this way, and that’s why by default we won’t clutter your screen with additional tabs and redundant buttons.
Blake Martinez
>Once you start making calls, Telegram for iOS will offer you to add a dedicated tab for calls on the main screen of the app. Alternatively, you can turn the Calls tab on right away from the Recent Calls section in Settings. On Android, the call tab is accessible via the pull-out main menu on the left.
>It‘s always easy to make a call, even if you’ve never opened the calls tab. As soon as Voice Calls are enabled for your country, a phone icon will appear on every profile page. On Android, you can also call from the ‘…’ menu in a chat.
One more thing
>For those of you who don’t do voice calls, v.3.18 brings something different: direct control over the quality of videos you share. Use this brand-new setting to select the degree of compression before sending a video. For the first time in the history of messaging, you can preview how the recipient will see your video before you send it.
>The app will remember the compression rate you selected and will use it by default for your future video uploads.
Grayson Robinson
quality info thread
but no one uses telegram
Bentley Morales
At CS/E of my uni everyone does, actually
Hunter Garcia
Sup Forums definitely uses Telegram because I speak to other Sup Forumsentoomen on it.
Easton Ramirez
They haven't even bothered releasing the source code of the last three versions of the client.
Brody Powell
To hide this feature, duh. The code will be out after this.
Carter Long
if its going to be out anyway why not share it?
Luke Thomas
It's a bad precedent nonetheless. I've already started moving important contacts to other services that actually respect our Freedoms. The devs of the desktop clients also refuse to implement basic features like secret chats and saving chat logs to disk for no good reason.
William Wilson
>you and your recipient just need to compare four emoji over the phone
Into the trash it goes. Stop shilling this app.
Elijah Allen
15 roubles were deposited to your FSBank™ account.
Cooper Jenkins
Telegram is lovely and Russian spying > US spying
Noah Barnes
falling apart the meme its true
Now, Telegram is the most complete and best in work app that exist.
Why not just call that person on the fucking phone?
Owen Brooks
Because you need a phone for that, while telegram can be installed on pc
Gavin Martinez
True true didn't think of that.
Cooper Johnson
>proprietary server
no, thanks
Evan Bailey
Telegram is trash, there is quite literally a PhD thesis a guy wrote that completely broke Telegram and they just ignored it.
Wire is also trash. Stop using trashy junk.
Signal includes an entire library that's open source, this means you can write an app today that uses nick/nyms instead of phone numbers and get all the protections of a proper crypto system without having to rely on phone numbers. It's trivial to remove that part from the (open source) program and drop in nyms instead. Moxie doesn't do it for various professional dev reasons but no reason anybody here can't do it for their own app
Mason Ortiz
>Telegram: the best Sup Forums messenger
No, you fucking shill, it will never be Sup Forums app.
Demonsaw is and will be Sup Forums messenger app
All hail Eijah
Nolan Robinson
end to end encryption, not end to ends. at least that was my understanding of it.
Nathaniel Cooper
He says while he posts on proprietary Sup Forums.
Joseph Wood
There is no encryption for desktop version
Jack Watson
Signal still demands your real identity to use it.
Kevin Powell
to be competitive.
Carter Hernandez
>I've already started moving important contacts to other services that actually respect our Freedoms.
like?
Gavin Morales
Because phone calls cost money and sound like shit.
Henry Brown
>Demonsaw is and will be Sup Forums messenger app
said nobody ever
Julian Green
>sound like shit Not for me.
Joseph Bell
Shut up you tech illiterate faggot, Sup Forums loves Demonsaw, unlike your shitty app is not a scam that fools people into false sense of security.
John Martinez
>doesn't have hd calls what year is it over there user?
Bentley Martinez
>"AI"
fucking lmao
Jace Parker
>implying everybody you call supports HD calls
I have more people on Whatsapp than HD calling.
Connor Torres
Yes. E2E encryption is awfully gimped and homegrown in Telegram anyway. The axolotl protocol (Signal, OMEMO, Olm) implents E2E properly.
Conversations and Linphone
Benjamin Flores
>Linphone
what happened to csipsimple?
Connor Lee
yeah, but just for memes and lulz. to talk with actual people you need whatsapp or fb messanger
Matthew Howard
Looks kind of dead to me. Their main repo is still on Google code and the latest release on f-droid is 2 years old.
Jeremiah Baker
>AI powered what?
Ryan Brown
yeah but linphone is an ugly, messy, buggy app
why don't we have a good sip client yet?
Bentley Rodriguez
Is Telegram a Sup Forums creation?
Luke Nguyen
Fuck off, shill.
Telegram is nothing more than a honeypot for Arabs, not a serious security minded messaging protocol/platform. MTProto is not confirmed as secure, and more than that the entire platform isn't open sourced; only the client side of things. They've waved off several accomplished people's theses and dissertations that bring up and explain well researched flaws/exploits, doing nothing to fix said issues.
There is already a proven, reliable, and more importantly audited, client/protocol out in the wild that uses a rock solid encryption schema: Signal. Build a client around that, or wait for a full audit of the source of the next meme client before using anything else.
Christopher White
how is it buggy?
Matthew Gutierrez
It crashes for me. Why do you think it has a 3.9 rating on the play store?
Parker Nguyen
right as you open it? or when you make a call?
Thomas White
sometimes when I make a call.
Nathan Ward
ah, that's a bit annoying. are they working on fixing this bug?
William Mitchell
no idea. I gave up trying to use it with another person and use csipsimple with opus.
Jose King
Wasn't jitsi getting ported to android?
Isaac Harris
>Demonsaw literally the first time i have heard about it
Josiah Harris
LINE is better than Telegram and is from an actual established company instead of some fly by night group of jackoffs who popped up among the mass of WhatsApp clone makers.
Camden Richardson
you must be 13 to post here, please leave
Alexander Watson
>closed source
Nice try, NSA
Lucas Phillips
>there is quite literally a PhD thesis a guy Where? Do you have any sources?
Yes now the nsa, cia and fbi all know i hate telegram
Alexander Harris
>end to end encryption
Liam Carter
>the best Sup Forums messenger
That isn't Wire or Signal or XMPP.
Kakao Talk, WeChat, and Line as well for azn qts
Owen Sanchez
>Signal includes an entire library that's open source, this means you can write an app today that uses nick/nyms instead of phone numbers and get all the protections of a proper crypto system without having to rely on phone numbers. It's trivial to remove that part from the (open source) program and drop in nyms instead. Moxie doesn't do it for various professional dev reasons but no reason anybody here can't do it for their own app
Didn't the guy that wrote Signal threaten someone who did exactly this?
Benjamin Ward
Fag
Christian Scott
>but no one uses telegram Literally everyone I know uses telegram I live in the US
Stop talking to fucking children you high schooler
or be a man and get people to use non garbage messengers
Jaxson Rivera
..are you in one of my Sup Forumsroups?
Gavin Richardson
Post group link plz
Levi Howard
Nigger its not like Sup Forums assembles in a chat its usually general threads or a group that sticks to a certain topic.
Nathaniel Torres
maybe
Dominic Morris
ok well if you are say "who here has eaten at a steakhouse and brazil?" and if you get a response informing you that someone has a cousin who has then that someone is me.
Zachary Powell
The encryption in Telegram is a joke. There was a recent story in Europe about the feds reading some kebab terrorists conversations, which were on Telegram
Gabriel Hall
>Jojo stickers >no normies Kill yorself normalfag
Matthew Gonzalez
Wow. Rude.
Ryder Barnes
>reviews it Telegram's crypto STILL sucks. This is like a shit ZRTP with only 4 emoji to help it, and there's no operational channel binding.
And the VBR problem. At least they're using Opus - so it's not as apparent - but Wire had the right idea there to make it CBR (they actually responded to my bug report!) and you should probably use that instead. Or Signal, if you've got a phone number on that device (again, CBR for the audio channel is coming there).
Usernames in Signal are (eventually!) coming, along with the desktop client Mk.2 - now that the protocol has been fully documented, Moxie's stance (caused by working with CyanogenMod who couldn't keep their TextSecure integration up to date in the early days) has softened. I think they're looking to try Electron first: wouldn't be my first choice (going native and reusing Wire's Axolotl implementation in Rust, Proteus, would), but it works for Discord.
No. Pavel Durov.
Correct.
The stickers are cute.
Telegram has NO encryption for groups. You'd be better off using Discord DESU.
This.
Jackson Sanders
why do you think creator of biggest russian botnet vk.com, who hides his baldness will respect you and your privacy?
Jayden Turner
Yeah I agree. Telegram's calling function needs a lot of fixes. Signal actually did their calling right.
Connor Price
Russian police or fsb literally intercepted verification sms codes for some russian political activists' telegrams and took all their message history. Was on news around 6 month ago. Just because telegram works like this by default.
Kayden Young
VK always unironically had better UI and overll design than pajeetbook, until recently tho. Since Pavel sold his company to russian Alphabet, now it is flatmeme with circle avatars.
Sebastian Watson
>I think they're looking to try Electron first
fucking puke
Oliver Cox
Don't those liberal hippy SJWs know they are gonna be the first ones killed once the Marxists take control? Man they would be in for a rude awakening
Anthony Wood
>Hey, Pavel, delet all this pirated music! >I won't, no reason, people will just upload it again. >Do it, RRRREEE! >No.
Tyler Kelly
>requires phone number to register >closed source >best Sup Forums messenger, gais!
Jeremiah Ward
But its open source, you fag
Cameron Myers
But not the server
Ayden Cox
Can I self host it?
Benjamin Cook
I do, and so do a few of my friends.
Colton Torres
Literally only niggers and kids on those groups.
Jacob Russell
Russian police =/= FSB
Jace Campbell
You're one of those people who actually have no friends at all, but at the same time want to pretend they have which is why you test every shitty messenger app there is. Problem is: you can only write messages to yourself, b/c no friends. That's why it's easy for you to say "Into the trash it goes": you never would have used it anyway.
