Workstations require 8 c

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Workstations require 8 c

Julian Sanders

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March 30, 2017 - 18:13

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Charles Moore

you don't need a workstation for photoshop.

get a pentium

March 30, 2017 - 18:14

Henry Cook

>Trying to shit on Ryzen
>6900k 8c/16t is 6% slower than 7700k

This is a thread about how unoptimized Photoshop is for modern hardware, in truth.

March 30, 2017 - 18:26

Henry Lopez

Each 7700k core is over 40% faster than a 6900k core, so it adds up.

March 30, 2017 - 18:32

Kevin Reed

What the fuck am I reading

March 30, 2017 - 18:36

Josiah Phillips

They should probably switch to something more modern like Affinity Photo, or test Raw workflow with Capture One, which does a better job of utilizing resources than Lightroom.

March 30, 2017 - 18:38

Angel Powell

>Photoshop
>Workstation

Shit is normie tier software for limp wristed Applefag photographers. Try CAD software, industry tier rendering, or something that workstations are actually used for.

Also you're using CPU benches on a software that OpenCL accelerates off GPU.

March 30, 2017 - 18:39

Nicholas Hughes

Low quality bait

This

March 30, 2017 - 18:42

Mason Murphy

140x4=560
100x8=800

No it doesn't add up, shit programing is the only answer.

base clock for base clock is about 20% higher then broadwell, and because there is near no ipc gain from bradwell on, you are looking at at most 25% faster per core performance at stock.

if you overclock, that puts broadwell at 4.2 minimum and kaby at 4.9 (Going with numbers where the cpus have over 70% make it to there, not the 50% or less then 5.0 gives.) the gap shrinks to 17% difference at best.

photoshop is industry standard retard, its the entire reason artists are forced to use it over better programs for their tasks.

March 30, 2017 - 18:43

Lincoln Young

>day one tests

I wonder who could be behind this post.

youtube.com/watch?v=KSuIJECsePA&feature=youtu.be&t=238

Here's a dude in Vegas getting up to a 28% boost in rendering times by moving to faster memory.
Not only are most of the day one benchmarks useless because they're ran at 2133MHz, none of them have the updated BIOS/AGESA
Worse yet, a lot of those are ran on that shitty crashy ASUS

March 30, 2017 - 18:45

Matthew Cruz

You're assuming 1% performance is gained from 1% increase in clockspeed.

Which cannot be further from the truth.

March 30, 2017 - 18:47

Jonathan Mitchell

6900K has an allcore turbo of 3.5ghz and a dual core turbo of 3.7ghz
7700K has an allcore turbo of 4.4ghz and a single core turbo of 4.5ghz

IPC between Broadwell and Kaby is around 3%
Hyperthreading scaling is akin to 1/4th a core
All of the following assumes perfect scaling:
Single thread: 7700K 25% faster
Dual thread: 7700K 22% faster
Quad thread: 7700K 29% faster
Five thread: 7700K 10% faster
Six thread: 7700K 97% as fast
Seven thread: 7700K 89% as fast
Eight thread: 7700K 81% as fast
Sixteen thread: 7700K 65% as fast

From how Photoshop is scaling there, it's obviously around 1-4 threads.

March 30, 2017 - 18:48

Isaiah Scott

Why should we care? Intel never had issues with launches, why do we suddenly have to lower our standards for AMD?

March 30, 2017 - 18:55

Liam Lopez

>Each core has + 70% efficiency.
>The whole thing is only + 3% more efficient.
Pic related.

March 30, 2017 - 19:04

Isaac Brown

Lmao.

Nehalem:
tomshardware.co.uk/forum/255653-28-nehalem
+ Pcie gen 2.0 bug

SB:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge#Cougar_Point_chipset_flaw
SATA degradation, recall needed.

IB:
Seemed to be relatively bug free aside from the fact this is when Intel moved to TIM

HSW:
anandtech.com/show/8376/intel-disables-tsx-instructions-erratum-found-in-haswell-haswelleep-broadwelly
Reminder that the TSX was not fixed until Skylake
techspot.com/news/51895-new-hardware-required-to-fix-haswell-usb-30-connection-bug.html

BDW:
Relatively bug free, but nobody bought desktop broadwell (non HEDT) anyway.

BDW-E:
A complete shitstorm, high frequency memory support a shit, burning mobos, literally Intel's worst launch in the last 6 years.

Skylake:
arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/01/intel-skylake-bug-causes-pcs-to-freeze-during-complex-workloads/

Yeah, Intel is perfect.

March 30, 2017 - 19:07

Jose Wilson

High standards at the Intel camp.

March 30, 2017 - 19:10

Jonathan Gonzalez

Ivy Bridge masterrace

March 30, 2017 - 19:12

Samuel Anderson

$ → cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 58
model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570K CPU @ 3.40GHz
stepping : 9
microcode : 0x1c
cpu MHz : 3300.002
cache size : 6144 KB
physical id : 0
siblings : 4
core id : 0
cpu cores : 4

Likewise, mine has served me well.
Can't wait to get a 1700 and a cheap mobo to overclock.

March 30, 2017 - 19:15

Jack Nguyen

intel_errata.novel

March 30, 2017 - 19:16

Adam Morales

I'll be waiting with an upgrade until I feel like 8 threads aren't enough for what I want to do anymore.
Don't see any reason to ditch mine yet, especially since the OC bumps it's power up to Kaby Lake levels.

March 30, 2017 - 19:18

Luis Howard

My 4 core is already on its last legs, not only does the platform have almost nonexistant support for NVME M.2 and never I/O, when I run 3 different browser profiles, one with some 400 tabs it really chokes, htop is showing all cores running at 100%
No to mention it's practically impossible to do something like scroll through a large pdf or watch a video while that's going on.

March 30, 2017 - 19:24

Gabriel Sanchez

>sandy bridge: space heater toothpaste edition
yuck

March 30, 2017 - 19:25

Jace Richardson

reinstall windows

March 30, 2017 - 19:27

Landon Martinez

Well I guess I'm not that much of a power user, having 100 Tabs open is already rather rare for me.
My cooler can handle that.

March 30, 2017 - 19:30

Gabriel Anderson

Adobe stopped R&D for their classic lines years ago, they jumped in the AI and ML meme instead
Lightroom and their RAW processor still have shit support for the Fujifilm cameras, specially those with X-Trans sensors, despite them being amongst the most popular with pro's and hobbyists
And LR still works like shit with massive databases even with TOTL SSD's and RAID0 arrays and a shitton of RAM
They ate literally living purely on past fame, just like macOS does

March 30, 2017 - 19:31

Adam Harris

>photoshop is industry standard retard, its the entire reason artists are forced to use it over better programs for their tasks.
Maybe in your shill faggotry, in the real world a lot of people have jumped ship to Krita and Corel

March 30, 2017 - 19:34

Justin Lewis

>BDW:
>Relatively bug free, but nobody bought desktop broadwell (non HEDT) anyway.
That's because Broadwell yields were so shit it was impossible to find, also it was delayed pretty close to Skylake launch giving it a really small lifespan
Intel skipped most desktop Broadwell SKU's due to this

March 30, 2017 - 19:38

Joseph Ramirez

Yeah, I know the reason why nobody bought it.

It's a shame, but those Broadwell SKUs with the eDRAM had pretty amazing IPC, even if they clocked low.
Though with a huge chunk of siilicon like crystalwell to gain some 10% IPC it really wasn't worth it from a financial standpoint for Intel

March 30, 2017 - 19:39

Ayden Cox

Photoshop as a cpu benchmark is pretty retarded. Motherboard and ram are very significant for photoshop every day use. Mostly the speed of ram access, even disk speed if caching.
>ram
>process with cpu
>back to ram
>maybe some stuff goes back to disk too
>repeat

Should use flstudio or similar DAW with lots of VSTi and vst. That is on the fly cpu processing. It doesn't attempt to store the output in ram too. Photoshop is a stupid cpu benchmark.

March 30, 2017 - 19:40

John Morales

friend. why dont you post newer benchmarks with updates bios and higher clocked RAM?

March 30, 2017 - 20:35

Easton Cook

You are forced, if you have a job, to use photoshop as it's the only way to guarantee compatibility.

March 30, 2017 - 20:45

Robert Gomez

You're not, PS CC 2015 isn't even compatible with old plugins, most CS2 stuff doesn't work at all and PSD has always been a clusterfuck that has changes that break stuff every new version

March 30, 2017 - 20:50

Luke Martinez

March 30, 2017 - 21:51

Kayden Jenkins

March 30, 2017 - 21:54

Jack Roberts

Shills are getting really desperate if they're still spamming these irrelevant day one single core benchmarks.

March 30, 2017 - 21:54

Adrian Wilson

>when the tripfag removes his trip
Lmao

March 30, 2017 - 21:54

Henry Turner

March 30, 2017 - 21:55

Ian James

March 30, 2017 - 21:58

Ian Smith

AND JUST FOR KEKS
intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/specification-updates/itanium-specification-update.pdf
intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/specification-updates/itanium-9300-9500-spec-update.pdf
intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/specification-updates/itanium-system-abstraction-layer-specification.pdf

March 30, 2017 - 21:59

Joshua Hall

>itanic
Oh lord.

March 30, 2017 - 22:00

Jacob Miller

Now work on Photoshop while processing a batch of images and at the same time converting a video.

This is would be a better test.

March 30, 2017 - 22:15

Evan Hernandez

Good share.

March 30, 2017 - 22:23

Owen Ward

I got more but it's mostly even older shit, atoms, and ethernet controllers

March 30, 2017 - 22:25

Joshua Williams

Honestly people are on this board are so young, Intel has had so much dangerous errata, far more than AMD it's not even funny.

March 30, 2017 - 22:28

Anthony Wright

Intel also has much more R&D fuckups.

March 30, 2017 - 22:31

Blake Parker

>Pentium
>for Photoshop
Are you literally stupid?

March 30, 2017 - 22:34

Nicholas Sullivan

It's getting better.

danluu.com/cpu-bugs/

Intel literally firing validation teams because it couldn't keep up with ARM's release cadence
Now that Zen is breathing down their datacenter neck they're twice the shit

March 30, 2017 - 22:34

Jayden Flores

>Adobe products
>Work station
Hahaha

HAHAHAHAHAH

HAHA

Ha ha

March 30, 2017 - 22:35

Cameron White

Perfectly explains the skylake , Broadwell-E and Atom fuckups.
Actually calling the last two fuckups would be an understatement

March 30, 2017 - 22:37

Henry Hernandez

>ethernet controllers
sounds interesting honestly

March 30, 2017 - 22:41

Joshua Stewart

(You)

March 30, 2017 - 23:20

Christopher Richardson

>adobe not only makes convoluted bloated software, they don't even multithread it

Consider a i3 for PS.

March 30, 2017 - 23:24

Brayden Howard

did this years Photoshop get 50% slower than last years Photoshop requiring a new cpu to get the same performance?

March 30, 2017 - 23:25

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