How did this piece of proprietary dogshit remain market leader for 20 years?

How did this piece of proprietary dogshit remain market leader for 20 years?

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A lot of people learned it.

It could do what HTML was not possible to do at the time.

it still does what js does but faster

Because capitalism rewards excellence, OP.

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weird, i haven't encountered a mainstream site that requires flash in at least two years. it's deprecated technology.

Now it's a fuckload of JS.

This, Flash was much better. It's a shame it has to go because "muh proprietary software is bad mmmmmkay?" meme.

this ludicrous concept that you should be able to make money from internet has ruined it. before users were turned into consumers, there was no need for javascript and a "beautiful web"

Isn't capitalism just great?

>Isn't capitalism just great?
Yes.

It is the only system that has ever worked and will ever work.

>capitalism isn't the problem
>the bastardization of it is
making money from selling a product and/or service online is fine. it's advertising that is the problem. advertisement is life support for bad content.

It's working great for Haiti, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Sub-Saharan Africa, Middle East. Oh wait!

>It's working great for Haiti, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Sub-Saharan Africa, Middle East. Oh wait!
Well whatever they have now is better then the genocides and famines they will suffer under communism.

I didnt say it was a particularly good system, only that everything else is worse.

Then how come Jobs bitched about performance?

But they are suffering genocides and famines, user.

>this is how deluded capitalists are

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>But they are suffering genocides and famines, user.
Are they? And why is that?

And who exactly is sending them help?
After the earthquake in Haiti, who sent help?
Who spends billions helping Africa?
Who is fighting ISIS?

Might it be the evil capitalists.

So are norks. I don't see your point.

Those jews needed it for fucking advertising.

>Who is fighting ISIS?
North Korea and China and Russia?

truly suffering famines and genocide

>After the earthquake in Haiti, who sent help?
Venezuela was by far the country that helped the most.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti–Venezuela_relations

Best Korea is actually above the average development level for Asian countries. They might not be as good as South Korea, but they don't receive billionsin foreign aid from the US every year, plus they suffer from massive sanctions.

The same way windows has done it, a lot of people got trained into using it and developing for it.

This.

How uninformed do you have to be to think NATO is fighting ISIS when all they do is just keep bombing Assad?

Cuba has helped them a lot regarding crops and medicine in the last 2 decades and they have a lot of trade going on.

>cherrypicked propaganda picture from the capital where all the elite and rich party members reside

Might add USA (more or less) and most importantly Syria to that.

You seriously believe that?

>helped the most.
They provided:
.3bn in aid in addition to cancelling $395m debt

USA gave 4bn out of 14bn total.
Additionally donation by citizens of western countries add up to 1.4 bn.
That is more then Venezuela gave.
source: nbcnews.com/news/investigations/what-does-haiti-have-show-13-billion-earthquake-aid-n281661

You are full of shit and have no idea what you are talking about.

>plus they suffer from massive sanctions.
Armaments sanctions? Oh dear it must be really bad for them if it's that.

that pic was take by an american, and that's not pyonyang by far you blind faggot

The problem is by far not only being proprietary tho, it was a decent technology but it only benefited one actor and put in disadvantage any other competitor so it was normal it was going to be rejected by any one of the affected platforms, it basically only worked decently on windows, being mismanaged by adobe was just the last nail in the coffin.

If your argument is in any way serious please give us your reasoning as an user in what way being locked into one platform (not completely but for practical purposes locked) to watch the contents available for flash was beneficial for you or for any of us? Honestly i love being able to do things like watch youtube for example on any device and browser without requiring plugins controlled by only one entity dictating where i can use it, i don't see the benefit at all and things like html5 being an open standard enables me to choose freely.

>all they do is just keep bombing Assad

There's not been a single incident NATO warplanes bombed anything of Assad army. You should inform yourself better.

That's like one small country, user. They can't possibly send as much aid as the US can, and they can't replace entire continents of trade partners.

Because your cherrypicked pictures of the poorest families are the best ones, right?

>Might add USA
No, USA is doing jack shit. And for a reason, the US wants to keep that inflow of cheap oil smuggled by ISIS.

>You seriously believe that?
It's public stats, what are you talking about?

>You are full of shit and have no idea what you are talking about.
Sure thing, dumbass.

Flash was great.
I miss it.

Because
>it worked
>it was a superior solution for video online compared to its contemporaries (real, quicktime, windows media)
>it still is the superior solution for animation

Face it, flash is still better than html5, at least conceptually
The flash deficiencies could easily be solved with only a fraction of the money poured into the shithole known as html5
An open source flash or equivalent would be much superior to the shitty web stack
But html5 is the hottest meme right now

Fuck off, bourgeois elites shill.

Cuba and Venezuela were the ones to send the most aid to Haiti even as small and poor as they are, including Cuban doctors.
Cuba has sent lots of help to Africa as well and they've gotten pretty good at farming cause of the embargo, they also trade armament tech as evidenced by the missiles that were caught on a Cuban ship en route to NK.

I know that, my first sentence referred to North Korea.

So what city is it? Rural areas where people are less about party business look absolutely different, absolutely not as pristine.
businessinsider.com/photos-of-life-in-north-korea-2016-3

why is it called html 5 when it's really just "more javascript"

the main enabling difference is the tag and being able to use (which already existed) as a canvas, right?

They send them coal and other minerals that Cuba can't get that easily apart from tech that they get from chinks.

IE6, nowadays adobe animator can convert (advertisements) straight into HTML 5

Who sent coal to North Korea?

>Because your cherrypicked pictures of the poorest families are the best ones, right?
Did you forget it's a communist state where everyone should be getting the same treatment and housing conditions? But it looks like party people are more important and live off better in the capital.

You have no idea what's it like in a commie state.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_and_Adobe_Flash_controversy

Apple called it out. People got emotionally upset.

Reason is TRADITION. People were use to flash even when they knew how much of an annoyance it was. They didn't realize how much of a security threat it was.

Until after Jobs died.

wut? NK mines it and sends it to cuba.

>It's public stats, what are you talking about?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

GDP per capita is one rough estimate of how well people are of in a country, it isnt perfect but still.

Notice that North Koreas estimated GDP per capita is at $1800, at spot 180/198.

(you can discuss how good the estimation is but I think that it offers a reasonable comparison)

Lets compare that to other countries in the general area.

China: $15.400 nearly 9 times as much
South korea: $37.900 over 20 times.
japan: $38.900 again over 20 times

I tried picking countries with a shared history and which were close geographically because I think that they can represent the relations the best.

Again you are full of shit and dont know what you are talking about.


>Sure thing, dumbass.
Nice way to respond being proved wrong.
I disproved everything you said so now you start with insults, because that is all commies have.

We were talking about North Korea though. See and .

It should have been called tag soup because that's what it is

XHTML tried to remove unneeded html tags

Have fun with polyfills in html5 trying to replicate superior platforms (like flash) in the most complicated inefficient way possible

Have fun with the w3c blessed html5 drm

I don't understand what you wanna get to, i'm just telling you that they help each other a lot.

I think you liked the experiences more. IT was good for that, a single package rather than monster JS shit that can't even do half what Flash did.

Flash is the king of security holes. It makes any OS vulnerable.

How is cherrypicking the three most developed countries in Asia a good average? You don't know how averages work. Is that why capitalists hate math so much? Because you're bad at it? Now I see why Von Mises eliminated math from economics...

>Again you are full of shit and dont know what you are talking about.
See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

Average East Asia 2011 HDI: 0.671
Average South Asia 2011 HDI: 0.548

Now, North Korea 2008 HDI: 0.733

Better luck next time.

As someone who hasnt done html in 6 years and had learned flash;

Whats the best way to get flash-like animation, or games on the browser now? Javascript? But thats just a language is there a sort of "flash suite" equivalent for JS that lets you set frames and shit for animating?

Capitalists hate Math because it rebukes their lies against the workers and the poor.

GDP per capita is not the same as GDP purchasing power parity per capita. It doesn't indicate how much wealth is actually produced. With a country like North Korea it's also hard to measure because I don't think they publish any particular living standard records. It's a closed country.
Here's what you actually meant to """quote""". Look for North Korea at the end of the list.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

GDP per capita isn't an applicable metric for communist countries by definition, you blithering idiot.

Also, how did you get ahold of North Korea's GDP values?

>2014 est.
Oh interesting, some totally unbiased ''''''''''''''''''''''''estimate'''''''''''''''''''''''' made by oppressive capitalist western superpowers without any ulterior motives.

If capitalism is so superior, then why don't you just let us be? Why do you keep oppressing us with bombings and sanctions?

Why do you have to always "ensure" socialism and communism fail in order to justify your narrative?

And then you wonder why nobody likes capitalism.

>Durr it's because of
Sure thing, boss.

>Why do you keep oppressing us with bombings and sanctions
When was a nork allowed on Sup Forums?

Flash Pro/ Animate CC let you export to html5 (js), why do you ask if you know flash?

>How is cherrypicking the three most developed countries in Asia a good average
Read what I wrote you fucking retard.

I picked the countries because they have a shared history and are VERY close to each other, because then you can see what is economically POSSIBLE in THAT AREA and what fucking communists did with it.

Give a better set of countries then.

Attacking the source. How very nice of you, that certainly is a good argument.

>If capitalism is so superior, then why don't you just let us be? Why do you keep oppressing us with bombings and sanctions?
Nobody even cares about you.
Look at north korea.
Nobody has done anything to them. And then look to south korea one of the most prosperous countries in the world.

>Why do you have to always "ensure" socialism and communism fail in order to justify your narrative?
We dont. The USSR fell on its own.
The German socialist HAD TO BUILD A FUCKING WALL TO KEEP THE PEOPLE IN and it still collapsed due to pressure by their own citizens because no one wanted to live there.

fuck off yourself, you upper class white person

>south korea one of the most prosperous countries in the world
Basically a massive welfare state. They get gorrillions of free dollars from the US. Even Somalia would be great that way.

>there are people in this board who unironically defend capitalism
You are aware that you are in a tech board, right?

>inb4 le capitalism drives tech progress meme
Gosh, this place has gone to shit!

Poor Somalians, white man keeping them down by not giving money away. Poor norks too, they need foreign money too to be prosperous.

some JS frameworks like angular

Sup Forums isn't about knowledge anymore. It's been taken over by obscurantist Sup Forumstards and now it's just as delusional.

Somalia is being kept down by capitalism. And the point is if South Korea didn't receive massive foreign help and were subject to the same sanctions as North Korea, they'd be exactly the same.

>white man
Why are you bringing race into this? Are whites really that insecure?

Stop replying to shills and edgy teenagers!

Sup Forums is worse than I thought.

Hmm.

Really makes me think that people here are still defending the only ideology more destructive then national socialism.

At least Hitler didnt kill people at random and didnt starve his own people to death.

>communist trash

>to the same sanctions as North Korea
I repeat myself. Armaments sanctions? What are those sanctions? Some party army official can't go on holiday to Hawaii with a choir mistress? Those type of sanctions?

>it only benefited one actor and put in disadvantage any other competitor
Was Adobe supposed to benefit anybody but themselves? How is that a problem? Competitors should git gud and stop whining!

>it basically only worked decently on windows
Only relevant platform.

>in what way being locked into one platform to watch the contents available for flash was beneficial for you or for any of us?
How about how Flash enabled a massive web revolution? From online games to watching videos online, stuff that people didn't think was even possible or viable 20 years ago quickly became a reality. YouTube happened because of Flash.

>i love being able to do things like watch youtube for example on any device
Device plurality is a fairly recent issue.

>browser
You're a minority, most users don't care about that.

>plugins controlled by only one entity dictating where i can use it
Evil corporations, right? Librul retard.

>i don't see the benefit at all and things like html5 being an open standard enables me to choose freely
It's also dogshit and took forever to make, like every open standard. The web progressed much faster when proprietary techs competed for becoming de facto standards.

Stay mad.

Game power, Microsoft or Apple, never open full OS to make Java or Flash, dominant developer platform.

Future of web is like flash.
Bitcode compile language(modern js) API to high performance on graphics(modern API graphics),multithread,compiler components, free socket communication.

Today web browser is very stupid idea to make apps.

Jobs don't want free thing of flash come to iOS.

It was when JavaScript was complete shit. Flash is still faster than JS but WebAssembly will fucking kill Flash.

So Apple wanted devs to only have one only way to deliver their apps and that was through the app store?

And Wonderfl.net fucking died recently.

JS is still better, no reverse-engineering and easier to learn.

its the best way to make cartoons imo

True, NOW I MISS NEWGROUNDS ANIMATORS REEEEEE

Last time I touched flash was like 2004 man give me some slack.

>Was Adobe supposed to benefit anybody but themselves?
No

>How is that a problem?
I already explained it, it puts non properly supported platforms in disadvantage.

>Competitors should git gud and stop whining!
They did, that's why flash is practically dead, we're talking precisely about why it was substituted.

>Only relevant platform.
For you, but i prefer other platforms and it feels good that flash is not a problem anymore.

>How about how Flash enabled a massive web revolution?
You're either confused or avoiding the question, i didn't said flash should not have existed but i provided a reasoning on why it's a good thing it was subtituted.

>Device plurality is a fairly recent issue.
Precisely that's why it's a good thing open standards are dominating now.

>You're a minority, most users don't care about that.
That's not relevant to the argument even if you manage to prove this claim.

>Evil corporations, right? Librul retard.
If you read it like that this board is affecting you negatively. I never mentioned companies being "good or evil" but correct me if i'm wrong on my reasoning but if one company controls a technology that allows to consume content that company can dictate on what platforms and devices i can consume that content. Considering this please answer the original question.

>It's also dogshit and took forever to make, like every open standard.
I disagree but respect your opinion.

>The web progressed much faster when proprietary techs competed for becoming de facto standards.
I think open competition is good and with multiple prorpietary standards being incompatible it only screws us as users, sorry i prefer having choose and you didn't managed to provide a reasoning on why i'm wrong.

>Stay mad.
Mad for what reason? the situation is different now, that's precisely what i said in my original post, the dead of flash is something good for competition and the users and that enables me to do a lot of things that was previously restricted.

Samefag.

You write like a pajeet. I'm not saying you are a pajeet, just that you write like one.

2 years ago at my internship

>Why aren't you guys moving to html5 at this point?
>We don't want to waste time learning a new language

t. former flash developer

Because it just works. The real reason Jobs was against it was because it was a direct threat to his app store garbage.

I am taco.