So I wonder

What do Croatians, Slovenes and Serbs think of each other?

Croats and Serbs have a mutual hate, don't know much how Slovenians are viewed by Serbs but here they're mostly viewed okay as people but sometimes politics fuck relations up, I think it's mutual tho.

>Croats and Serbs have a mutual hate

Elaborate?

Croats hate Serbs, Serbs hate Croats.
Mutual feelings

might have to do with that whole yugoslavian war thingy
nothing good came out of it and both nations felt betrayed by their neighbours

when did the hate start?

>might have to do with that whole yugoslavian war thingy
Never heard of it.

Always thought this was retarded. You're just pretty much the same shit. Don't you have some greater thing that could unite you? Saxons and Swabians are different for example but both are still german.

>inb4 yugoslavia

Yeah we "hate" each other, yet somehow trading between Serbia and Croatia has never been better so all of our hate is based on 90s war. That's it. It's not like we are trying to boycott each other or something

>this qestion coming from an austrian

Cheeky cunt you

it actually started with the first Yugoslavian kingdom which was formed after WW1, Croats wanted a federation and a republic where all nationalities had the same rights but Serbs made illegal laws which made the country centralized, unitary and a kingdom under a Serbian dynasty. Slovenians were in it too but they were effected less as in the punishments and mistreatment. Croats managed to gain some autonomy before WW2 and Serbs got pissed by that, Serbs also wanted a "greater" Serbia hence thats why they pushed it all, because of that Croats formed an organization that wanted an independent Croatia and since they were close to Hitler and other Nazis they managed to create an independent Croatia, but it was a nazi puppet state and it ethnically cleaned Serbs, during ww2 Serbs had Chetniks (Croatian nazis were Ustashe) which did the same things even during Yugoslavia. After WW2 there was a socialist Yugoslavia led by Josip Broz who managed to make the cultural difference low and pleased most people even tho it was communism and technically wasn't working, in the early 90s Croatia wanted independence since Serbian nationalist movements were on the rise hence the Croatian independence war, during the war Serbs genocide a lot of population and later on the Serbs living in Croatia were forced to leave.
That's more or less it

Older Croatian language had nothing to do with modern SerboCroatian, culturally we were always different nations and nationalities.
We were under the AustroHungarian rule for a long time while they were under Bulgarian and Ottoman rule. Croatian kings actually helped Serbian kings in medieval times from Bulgars.
Atm the only thing we have in common is the language, both religion and culture is different

it's more or less calm now I don't personally care about Serbians just don't like them desu and the trading thing is obviously getting better since we're neighbors and economically we're both growing

But you wouldn't have joined them in a country if your language was a lot different, lots of Croats lived with Serbs in Bosnia too. Besides, Serbs and Croats were always considered similar nations.

And we get stuck in the middle of this cluster fuck

Then how did it merge into one language? And honestly the differences aren't that big, here in germany the south is catholic, the north protestant and culturally there are leauges between the people on the northern sea and bavarians and yet we are stull one country.

At that moment a South Slavic unification movement was strong hence why we wanted to join them it had nothing to do with language senpai.
We made our Sthokavian dialect official because we wanted to unite with other Slavs since it was the closest dialect to their language, Kajkavian and Chakavian are much more different so a Serb and a Bosniak wouldn't understand it

What differentiates Serbs and Croats?
I mean in the case of India and P*kistan its mostly religion that is the cause of animosity.

Are these north-south valleys in hungary glacial features?

see That was language, even if we were similar when we settled the Balkans (find out for yourself if we were) we still were under different rulers for centuries, we were closer to the west thanks to Austria and Venice while Serbs were under Ottomans but they still get their influence from Russia

Language isn't much different (depends on the dialect), but it's also religion and a couple of centuries of history which refined each countries history, traditional wear and food is very different.

Why, I'm glad that you ask.

If Croat/Serb politicians are being too friendly towards Serbs/Croats, they'll lose some popularity points. The Croat-Serb relationship is like having a girlfriend that you find annoying but she's hot so you keep daiting her. Or like being best friends with a fedora militant atheist while you're religious.

Most people don't hate each other and most Croats/Serbs are convinced that the other side hates them more than they hate them. /ex-yu/ is a good example of this messed up relationship because people there keep shitting about how they hate each other yet they keep coming back that same general on a daily basis to talk to Croats and Serbs.

Basically, Croats and Serbs can have a great time together as long as no one mentions history or politics or everything will go down the shitter real fast. The entertainment industry also works fine and sometimes we have joint reality shows, Croats listen to Serbian music, there's a Serbian TV series being aired on Croatian TV right now, etc.

Slovenes and Serbs get along relatively fine while Croats are a bit tense with them. Slovenes think that they're pure Central Europeans and that Croats dirty uncivilised barbarians. They're also jealous of the fact that we have actual history. But tourism works between the two, Slovenes come here to the sea and Croats go skiing in Slovenia.

Croats and Slovenes have a cordial opinion of each others. Politicians hold strategic issues by the balls, securing their camapaigns. No one eve brushes upon these problems before elections, and then, every politician (at least here) doesn't "give an inch of Croatian land". I assume it's the same in Slovenia. They rile us, the "kmets", up and tender the shitshow come election time. After the elections, the issue disappears from public order. The news/portals/information circulation here is...there are no words to describe it. Effective?

Croats and Serbs have a more intense relationship. The above, but amplified. Once you rile the kmets, you need more time to calm them down. Otherwise, it's essentially the same. Strategic issues and diplomatic "scandals" that pit literal who's against literal who's in Croatian and Serbian politics and you root for your guy. Sometimes a literal who comes and shakes higher trees (that is, Croatian or Serbian high ranking politicians actually responding to literal whos, and we know why they do it, but the lowliest of low passions overcome us). Definitely not a hateful relation. Cold, "neutrally shaky", distrusting, dismissive, wary and all the other synonyms you can place here

Preuzeto

Trade has never been better here because we're all owned by the Imperium of Agrokoria and Erzherzog Todorić

Enlighten this uncultured pleb. Is the conflict between Serbs, Croats, and Bosniaks actually ethnic or more religious? From what I can gather, you all speak the same language and the only major difference in your ethnic groups is your religion (Orthodoxy, Catholicism, and Islam). If an ethnic cleansing death squad came to your town, couldn't you just say "No untermensch here, heh heh! I'm one of you!"

It's religious and cultural. We all speak the same language, Croats have additionally two unique dialects

this is a great summary btw. Whoever wrote this did a very good job

What about Montenegrins? What makes them different from Serbs?

I think it's obvious what 400 years under Ottomans is

the part that borders Croatia was Croatian until the first Yugoslavia and it has a lot of Albanian villages

looks like a mountain surrounded ghetto desu

theres many dark croatians too though

No

that's more or less like every 3rd Serb while this is more rare in Croatia.
I don't know anyone that's fully Croatian and dark, it's mostly from mixing

Nothing. Montenegrins are overwhelmingly Serbs. Some coastal minorities, but almost negligible (Albanians and Croats). They have a shared cultural and religious heritage as well. They're actually a rather compact and continuous people

The reason we see an independent Montenegro (and believe me, if there are Balkan countries deserving freedom, it's Montenegro - since they resisted for centuries, while the rest of us languished under foreign rulers) is Yugoslav politics of decentralization
I believe in a free Montenegro, but they're doing radical steps to remove the Serbian element, which is the key to their country

>kebab removers
they're kebab themselves desu

>igra na kartu "bijelih" i "crnih"
Barem mu objasni bolje. Vlaški i autohtoni elementi protiv doseljeničkih, koji su svijetliji. Pusti druge podjele zapadnjacima

So much hate by the dirty nigger croats :(
Everything they've said is complete bullshit

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Everything is a lie and photoshop
The Pope, USA, Germany and NATO were behind this

You're just jelly because you have 0 history so you have to take it out on a polynesian girl image webz

The "dark" ones probably have Morlach descend which isn't Croatian, they were Serbian travelers or pastors who'd travel to Dalmatia to sell their food and shit.

>be serb
>be ottoman rule for past 400 years until ottomans fell apart
>then be under slavic rule for 50
>now have all your neighbours hating you
>croatia is 2 steps ahead of you in terms of quality of life
if im wrong let me know ;^)

>2 steps
wrong!

>Morlach descend which isn't Croatian, they were Serbian travelers or pastors
Triggered
A large amount of Morlachs come from Macedonia
If nothing, all sorts of "-achs" here were Croaticized and Serbianized (through church activities)
The reason hinterland Vlachs were Serbanized successfully was because of the proximity to other Serbian people. We're talking about Knin county, Dubrovnik and general inland east of Neretva river

Morlachs were everything

Isn't the croatian coast filled with italians?

Serbia was less than 400 years under Ottoman rule. I don;t know what you mean by slavic rule.... in 1804 till 1830 there were Serbian revolts against Ottoman empire, and Serbs won their freedom in 1830 when Serbia was de facto independent. So it didn;t fell apart it was still very strong. in 1878 south Serbia was liberated from the Ottomans in the bloody war. in 1912 Macedonia and Kosova was liberated in a more bloodier war. In WWI Bosnia, Croatia and Slovenia were liberated in an even more bloodier war. So nothing was for free and granted.
Croatia is not 2 steps ahead, we are equally shitty, people dig trough trash cans here and there, they have bigger wages, but services are more expensive, and people are not living any better, only delusional fucbois will tell you differently.

I live there, no Italians but the dialect kinda has some Italian words and sounds a bit Italian.
Most of the Italians lived in Istria and were forced to leave during Yugoslavia when we got Istria back and Slovenians got a bit of clay back from Italy

>guys serbia is not so shitty!
>croats have poor people too!

I mean ethnic italians, from centuries of colonization and settling before the arrival of the slavs.

ethnic italians didnt exist before slavs settled

Even during the height of Venetian rule, they were an urban minority (meaning situated in cities, as majorities in the capital Zara especially). Venetians were very "liberal" with their population lists, as their categorizing shows. Meaning they were inclusive. A Slav had mobility to become an Italian, but not the other way. That was not culturally acceptable. The population was categorized on who can speak Italian, and who can speak "Slavic", "Illyrian", "Croatian", "Serbian" and all similar nonsense they wrote down. That's it. Even by the end of their reign in Dalmatia, they used "Slavo" and "Italiano". For example, mid 19th century, 9% of the citizens of Split declared they can speak Italian. The city had probably around 20 thousand people. How many of those were actual Italians? I don't know...
Before nationalism, there was no major disunity of the people living in this region. A Croat/Serb, "Slav", had mostly class friction with Italians, and speaking Italian opened doors for you

Ethnic Italians that lived here for generations don't exist, now people can have some Italian descend but that's rare here.

Bring back Yugoslavia. One of the best parts of Valparaíso is called paseo yugoslavo, and has really cool houses. Pic related, a croatian palace

pinche weon

Just weon senpai. Or add culiao: Weon culiao

dat chessboard hnnnnng

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If Croatians were Saxons and Serbs Bavarians, then Slovenes would be the Dutch. This is why this thread in which the majority of posters are Croats and Serbs is about Serbo-Croat relations, because Slovenes are sort of a part of their region and history, but not really. We're sort of half-Yugoslav.

why is he smiling

"Slobodane, Slobodane, šalji nam salate
Biće mesa, biće mesa, klat ćemo Hrvate"

-Bosnian Serb chant from the Bosnian war

salate hrvate mesa would mean salty croatian on table in broken spanish

You might not know this and why would you), but a form of broken Spanish actually was spoken traditionally in the Bosnian capital of Sarajevo - Ladino, the Sephardic language. But I doubt they were the ones that were clamouring for Croats to be chopped up and put on the table.

I'm pretty sure everyone in the Balkans thinks everyone else in the Balkans are niggers and faggots.

No. Macedonians, Serbs and Montenegrins love each other. Greeks and Serbs, too. Slovenes and Croats all along the border also foster good relations and intermarry.

It started when half of the origin tribe converted into catholic Christianity and the other half converted into orthodox Christianity.

Interesting. I know ladino, we can understand it pretty well, is like medieval spanish with some jewish words.

Croats and Serbs have been separate tribes for as long as they have lived on the Balkans, and probably much longer. Serbs also alternated between Catholicism and Orthodoxy for centuries - their first archbishopric and kingdom were consecrated by both ecclesiastical authorities in the late 12th century.

>be a bunch of smaller countries with no impact or relevance in the broader world

why do this. every country which is arguably important has had a dark history of unification and forcing identities.

people will forget about this region of the world in a few decades, if the balkan countries really want to play a role in the modern world either find oil or super-develop, or become numerically strong.

1. We wuz Kangs.

2. Into the trash it goes.

We Slovenes have always been part of a larger entity. The very first mention of our lands from 600AD called us 'The Province of the Slavs'. We know we can't be a political entity for ourselves, but we have always also remained Slovenes, absorbing each new wave of migrants.

In fact, we're a part of the European union and its Eurozone and Schengen areas, as well as of NATO right now. So why drop our identity now?

Ante knows his shit desu

Why would he not be smiling if he has meat?

Close enough
It means "Prepare the salad, there will be meat, we're going to gut the Croats"
Of course it sounds better in Serbian

at first i was disappointed but then the balkan shitflinging started

woah, I didn't realize the hungarian plains were that entrenched, must be why you kept a distinctive culture from all of your neighbours

must also bee why the mongols liked it so much, it was suited for their lifestyle